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Im talking about how its like the battle rifle from halo 2.[[user:the evil O,malley]] | Im talking about how its like the battle rifle from halo 2.[[user:the evil O,malley]] | ||
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According to the halo 3 beta(in which i have participated in), the MA5C's bullet is stronger than the MA5B's, but not strong enough to kill an unshielded opponent when shot in the head.Actually, it would be useless because until you aim to the head you will be killed and because WHO FRIGGIN CARES ITS AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON. | According to the halo 3 beta(in which i have participated in), the MA5C's bullet is stronger than the MA5B's, but not strong enough to kill an unshielded opponent when shot in the head.Actually, it would be useless because until you aim to the head you will be killed and because WHO FRIGGIN CARES ITS AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON. | ||
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Yeah but still it would be sweet to use an automatic weapon that does headshots since there is no such weapon in the games | Yeah but still it would be sweet to use an automatic weapon that does headshots since there is no such weapon in the games | ||
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The sniper rifle's bullet can kill a player when shot in the head.I suggest playing one of the games instead of asking about it ;) | The sniper rifle's bullet can kill a player when shot in the head.I suggest playing one of the games instead of asking about it ;) | ||
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How do soldiers aim this weapon...there's no iron sights or scope visible on the weapons frame. so how are soldiers able to fire this weapon??<br /> | How do soldiers aim this weapon...there's no iron sights or scope visible on the weapons frame. so how are soldiers able to fire this weapon??<br /> | ||
Wait really think in this, how the UNSC dont put iron sights. If there were a call of duty with halo weapons aiming this would be hard. [[User:Clavix2|<font color="Black">Clavix2</font>]] <sup> [[User talk:Clavix2|<font color="Red">I WILL PAY FOR </font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Clavix2|<font color="Black"> ALL MY SINS </font>]]</sup> 22:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC) | Wait really think in this, how the UNSC dont put iron sights. If there were a call of duty with halo weapons aiming this would be hard. [[User:Clavix2|<font color="Black">Clavix2</font>]] File:Halo2emblemClavix.jpg|30px]] <sup> [[User talk:Clavix2|<font color="Red">I WILL PAY FOR </font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Clavix2|<font color="Black"> ALL MY SINS </font>]]</sup> 22:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
The UNSC has a system of technology that is called a smart-link. From what I can figure from ''The Flood'' the weapon is interfaced with the marine's HUD and aiming reticule is displayed. However, the marines' HUD is no longer visible in Halo 2 & 3 | The UNSC has a system of technology that is called a smart-link. From what I can figure from ''The Flood'' the weapon is interfaced with the marine's HUD and aiming reticule is displayed. However, the marines' HUD is no longer visible in Halo 2 & 3 | ||
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There's quite a few mistakes Bungie made with Halo, and it ain't just the weapons. A Sergeant is never called "Sarge". For that matter, a Sergeant Major is never called a Sergeant (neither is any other "Sergeant" rank, aside from Sergeant; they made this error in Halo 1 when they referred to Johnson as Sergeant when he was in fact a Staff Sergeant) in the Marine Corps. You don't call an enlisted man "Sir" unless you are a recruit. I guess it's easy to make those mistakes when you've never served, but whatever. [[User:Smoke.|Smoke]] | There's quite a few mistakes Bungie made with Halo, and it ain't just the weapons. A Sergeant is never called "Sarge". For that matter, a Sergeant Major is never called a Sergeant (neither is any other "Sergeant" rank, aside from Sergeant; they made this error in Halo 1 when they referred to Johnson as Sergeant when he was in fact a Staff Sergeant) in the Marine Corps. You don't call an enlisted man "Sir" unless you are a recruit. I guess it's easy to make those mistakes when you've never served, but whatever. [[User:Smoke.|Smoke]] | ||
::Bungie makes many errors when it comes to modern to Halo military crossovers, especially when it includes ranks, insignias, uniforms, and customs & courtesies. Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]], <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=green>Administrator of Halopedia</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 12/22/2008 | ::Bungie makes many errors when it comes to modern to Halo military crossovers, especially when it includes ranks, insignias, uniforms, and customs & courtesies. File:United Nations logo.png|35px]]Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]], <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=green>Administrator of Halopedia</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 12/22/2008 | ||
::::I think Bungie took their liberties with the uniforms and insignia. The UNSC Marine Corps is clearly based on the U.S. Marine Corps (they apparently even wear the same Dress Blues), but they simply replaced the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor with the UNSC insignia, and the rank insignia is slightly different. It just bothers me that they have the boot Marines referring to a Sergeant Major as damn near everything but Sergeant Major (and Master Chief as well). [[User:Smoke.|Smoke]] | ::::I think Bungie took their liberties with the uniforms and insignia. The UNSC Marine Corps is clearly based on the U.S. Marine Corps (they apparently even wear the same Dress Blues), but they simply replaced the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor with the UNSC insignia, and the rank insignia is slightly different. It just bothers me that they have the boot Marines referring to a Sergeant Major as damn near everything but Sergeant Major (and Master Chief as well). [[User:Smoke.|Smoke]] | ||
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:Thanks for the update, I removed the spoiler, but don't really know any reference point off the top of my head that would work. Go figure.[[User:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 20:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC) | :Thanks for the update, I removed the spoiler, but don't really know any reference point off the top of my head that would work. Go figure.[[User:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 20:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
By the way, the last fact says that there is no cross hair so marines cant aim it. While the one like three above it explains that they use the neural interface so they always have one (im guessing that it is projected directly on there eyes like info on the POA for captain keyes) the last one should be deleted because it is irrelevant. [[User:Husher D316|<span style="color: red; font-family: century gothic; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#808080">'''Hus'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''hɘr'''</font><font color="#C0C0C0">'''D316'''</font></span>]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Husher D316|<font color="#808080">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Husher D316|<font color="#808080">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Husher D316|<font color="#808080">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sup><font style="text-decoration:blink"><font color="DarkOrange">'''FEET FIRST'''</font></font></sup><sup><font style="text-decoration:blink"> <font color="orange">'''INTO'''</font></font></sup> <sup><font style="text-decoration:blink"><font color="Gold">'''HELL!'''</font></font></sup>'' 00:41, September 5, 2009 (UTC)'' | By the way, the last fact says that there is no cross hair so marines cant aim it. While the one like three above it explains that they use the neural interface so they always have one (im guessing that it is projected directly on there eyes like info on the POA for captain keyes) the last one should be deleted because it is irrelevant. [[File:7thODSTunitpatch.PNG|40px]] [[User:Husher D316|<span style="color: red; font-family: century gothic; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#808080">'''Hus'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''hɘr'''</font><font color="#C0C0C0">'''D316'''</font></span>]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Husher D316|<font color="#808080">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Husher D316|<font color="#808080">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Husher D316|<font color="#808080">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sup><font style="text-decoration:blink"><font color="DarkOrange">'''FEET FIRST'''</font></font></sup><sup><font style="text-decoration:blink"> <font color="orange">'''INTO'''</font></font></sup> <sup><font style="text-decoration:blink"><font color="Gold">'''HELL!'''</font></font></sup>'' 00:41, September 5, 2009 (UTC)'' | ||
== Halo1 Assault Rifle?? == | == Halo1 Assault Rifle?? == | ||
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== Separate page for MA37 == | == Separate page for MA37 == | ||
It seems that the debate was in favor for having the MA37 retain its own article, yet it was merged. Why? Now we have a cluttered mess of a weapon that deserves its own page, yet it has a tiny little footnote on a page for a weapon it shares little in common with. We have concrete proof from Bungie that the MA37 is its own weapon, yet it has been decided to merge it based on conjecture. Even in the odd chance that it is infact a sub-variant, sub-variants have their own pages when they are different enough. This weapon is different enough. Open the debate once more.--''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 14:07, 31 October 2010 (EDT) | It seems that the debate was in favor for having the MA37 retain its own article, yet it was merged. Why? Now we have a cluttered mess of a weapon that deserves its own page, yet it has a tiny little footnote on a page for a weapon it shares little in common with. We have concrete proof from Bungie that the MA37 is its own weapon, yet it has been decided to merge it based on conjecture. Even in the odd chance that it is infact a sub-variant, sub-variants have their own pages when they are different enough. This weapon is different enough. Open the debate once more.--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 14:07, 31 October 2010 (EDT) | ||
Another thought, how could there already be a 4th sub-variant of a 3rd weapon variant in 2437? It just doesn't seem likely that the UNSC would already have something as detailed of a variant as this when they didn't switch over to the MA5 series until about the time of the Spartan-II program (no exact date). Bungie even said themselves that the MA37 is known to the Marines and Navy as the MA5; not the MA5C, not the MA5C - Mk. IV, ''just MA5''. Further evidence, the MA5C shares more things in common with the MA5B than the MA37. Sub-variants usually have minor differences like an added mounting rail or a modified stock, not a complete overhaul. If we take this nameplate as canon, then we must take the DMR's nameplate as canon also. It shows a name other than M392 on its nameplate. Should we override common sense to change it as well?--''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 16:53, 3 November 2010 (EDT) | Another thought, how could there already be a 4th sub-variant of a 3rd weapon variant in 2437? It just doesn't seem likely that the UNSC would already have something as detailed of a variant as this when they didn't switch over to the MA5 series until about the time of the Spartan-II program (no exact date). Bungie even said themselves that the MA37 is known to the Marines and Navy as the MA5; not the MA5C, not the MA5C - Mk. IV, ''just MA5''. Further evidence, the MA5C shares more things in common with the MA5B than the MA37. Sub-variants usually have minor differences like an added mounting rail or a modified stock, not a complete overhaul. If we take this nameplate as canon, then we must take the DMR's nameplate as canon also. It shows a name other than M392 on its nameplate. Should we override common sense to change it as well?--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 16:53, 3 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
:I agree.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 17:26, 3 November 2010 (EDT) | :I agree.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 17:26, 3 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
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:::''Indeed, they did. The MA37 started being referred to as the MA5 by the Marines and Navy back in 2437, as provided in B.net's description of the MA37. However, it can be assumed that the title was later changed to MA5C as the UNSC progresses through time. The nameplate would be able to support this assumption. If anything, consider the case of M16 v M4 in our present time; the M16 was released back in the 70s, having its name changed to M4 for whatever reason years after.'' | :::''Indeed, they did. The MA37 started being referred to as the MA5 by the Marines and Navy back in 2437, as provided in B.net's description of the MA37. However, it can be assumed that the title was later changed to MA5C as the UNSC progresses through time. The nameplate would be able to support this assumption. If anything, consider the case of M16 v M4 in our present time; the M16 was released back in the 70s, having its name changed to M4 for whatever reason years after.'' | ||
:::I don't think you have a good enough background in the whole M16/M4 situation, so I'll explain. The M16 has several variants that were produced over time: the M16A1 (original), M16A2 (used today, slowly phasing out), M16A3 (used by US Navy), and M16A4 (newest, replacing A2 slowly). The M4 is not another name for the M16, it is instead an entirely different variant based on the M16. The names are not interchangable. That aside, the MA37 could not be an MA5C as the MA37 was released ''as the first weapon in the line'' in 2437. Consider the UNSC remarks on the MA5C. They note all of the minor differences between the MA5C and MA5B, such as a lowered RoF, smaller mag size, and longer barrel. This proposes that the MA5C was a slight improvement on the MA5B. If this pattern had been consistent, the MA5B would have been a slight improvement on the MA37/MA5. If we put aside graphical differences, this indeed is consistent. The MA5B has a higher RoF and a larger mag size. | :::I don't think you have a good enough background in the whole M16/M4 situation, so I'll explain. The M16 has several variants that were produced over time: the M16A1 (original), M16A2 (used today, slowly phasing out), M16A3 (used by US Navy), and M16A4 (newest, replacing A2 slowly). The M4 is not another name for the M16, it is instead an entirely different variant based on the M16. The names are not interchangable. That aside, the MA37 could not be an MA5C as the MA37 was released ''as the first weapon in the line'' in 2437. Consider the UNSC remarks on the MA5C. They note all of the minor differences between the MA5C and MA5B, such as a lowered RoF, smaller mag size, and longer barrel. This proposes that the MA5C was a slight improvement on the MA5B. If this pattern had been consistent, the MA5B would have been a slight improvement on the MA37/MA5. If we put aside graphical differences, this indeed is consistent. The MA5B has a higher RoF and a larger mag size. | ||
:::I strongly encourage you to read over the description on the ordnance page once again and try to find the true meaning.--''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 12:25, 6 November 2010 (EDT) | :::I strongly encourage you to read over the description on the ordnance page once again and try to find the true meaning.--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 12:25, 6 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
:::Something I think I should add about the argument. According to the description on the ordnance page, the MA37/MA5 was released in 2437 and became the primary serivce rifle of all branches ever since. Since it is clear that the MA37/MA5 is not present as the primary variant althroughout the Halo timeline, this article means that the MA5 series was created in 2437. This makes it impossible for the MA37 to be an MA5C. The MA5C would have had to be created at a much later date (around Halo 2-3). Basically, your theory won't make sense until you can provide me with information that a weapon in the MA5 series existed before 2437.--''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 12:50, 6 November 2010 (EDT) | :::Something I think I should add about the argument. According to the description on the ordnance page, the MA37/MA5 was released in 2437 and became the primary serivce rifle of all branches ever since. Since it is clear that the MA37/MA5 is not present as the primary variant althroughout the Halo timeline, this article means that the MA5 series was created in 2437. This makes it impossible for the MA37 to be an MA5C. The MA5C would have had to be created at a much later date (around Halo 2-3). Basically, your theory won't make sense until you can provide me with information that a weapon in the MA5 series existed before 2437.--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 12:50, 6 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
{{Article quote|I'm saying that the MA37/MA5 replaced the MA3 in 2437. Some time later, the MA5B was produced and issued to Navy and Marines, while the MA37 was still in use by the Army.}} | {{Article quote|I'm saying that the MA37/MA5 replaced the MA3 in 2437. Some time later, the MA5B was produced and issued to Navy and Marines, while the MA37 was still in use by the Army.}} | ||
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:::::As I keep analysing the nameplate and referring to firearm databases for clarity, I found that the above could be the potential solution to this problem as it makes the most sense when combining the details of the nameplate and the description that is provided in Bungie.net. The nameplate, in my opinion, is canon/correct and it fully reflects what Bungie had intended about the history of the weapon; that is the MA37 is the base weapon for all MA5 series, but the "Mk" denotes which rifle it is.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:30, 6 November 2010 (EDT) | :::::As I keep analysing the nameplate and referring to firearm databases for clarity, I found that the above could be the potential solution to this problem as it makes the most sense when combining the details of the nameplate and the description that is provided in Bungie.net. The nameplate, in my opinion, is canon/correct and it fully reflects what Bungie had intended about the history of the weapon; that is the MA37 is the base weapon for all MA5 series, but the "Mk" denotes which rifle it is.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:30, 6 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
::::::The system you provided doesn't work because the nameplate would have to say "MA37 - Mk IV", when infact it says "MA5C - Mk IV". It's unlikely that this is the case. Also, that system implies that the MA37 in Reach and MA5C in Halo 3 are the exact same weapon, which is far from reality. Aside from obvious differences of the two weapons, why would the Army be using an MA5C when the Navy/Marines are still using the MA5B? The Army is known for having all of the older variants (SRS99, M319 IGL, M392 DMR, etc.)--''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 08:37, 7 November 2010 (EST) | ::::::The system you provided doesn't work because the nameplate would have to say "MA37 - Mk IV", when infact it says "MA5C - Mk IV". It's unlikely that this is the case. Also, that system implies that the MA37 in Reach and MA5C in Halo 3 are the exact same weapon, which is far from reality. Aside from obvious differences of the two weapons, why would the Army be using an MA5C when the Navy/Marines are still using the MA5B? The Army is known for having all of the older variants (SRS99, M319 IGL, M392 DMR, etc.)--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 08:37, 7 November 2010 (EST) | ||
:::::::From the supplied illustration, this suggest that the UNSC Army and Marines/Navy utilised two different designation systems for the firearms, that is "<RIFLE SERIES><RIFLE MODEL> - <ARMY RIFLE SERIES>" rather than the standard "<RIFLE SERIES><RIFLE MODEL>" that we've been accustomed to. To put make things clearer: | :::::::From the supplied illustration, this suggest that the UNSC Army and Marines/Navy utilised two different designation systems for the firearms, that is "<RIFLE SERIES><RIFLE MODEL> - <ARMY RIFLE SERIES>" rather than the standard "<RIFLE SERIES><RIFLE MODEL>" that we've been accustomed to. To put make things clearer: | ||
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