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:I didn't have the Halo Wars guide, but I would have thought the 8/16 MJ would have been obvious. As I understood it, LRG would have stood for ''Light'' Rail Gun - they certainly come a lot bigger. With the issue of energy, I would assume that the smaller railguns use more Mega Joules than the larger one because there's two of them, and thus require more energy to keep firing. And while the 8MJ and 16MJ railguns are different weapons, they are part of the same weapon ''system'' - just responding to some of your points.
:I didn't have the Halo Wars guide, but I would have thought the 8/16 MJ would have been obvious. As I understood it, LRG would have stood for ''Light'' Rail Gun - they certainly come a lot bigger. With the issue of energy, I would assume that the smaller railguns use more Mega Joules than the larger one because there's two of them, and thus require more energy to keep firing. And while the 8MJ and 16MJ railguns are different weapons, they are part of the same weapon ''system'' - just responding to some of your points.
:I know there's a lot missing - my merge was a hasty one, and I'm kicking myself for some of the msitakes I didn't manage to find. Especially the spelling - geez, I read at a level years above most of the people I know, you'd think I'd be able to do better. Sorry. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
:I know there's a lot missing - my merge was a hasty one, and I'm kicking myself for some of the msitakes I didn't manage to find. Especially the spelling - geez, I read at a level years above most of the people I know, you'd think I'd be able to do better. Sorry. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
::Haha so I cede some defeat. The newly released Halo Encyclopedia, on top of being a massive canonical wreck, does in fact name the guns M66 Gauss Cannons, in complete contrast to the now established title of Rail Guns and Halo Wars' current information. I tell you, it's getting harder and harder to live like this. :D. So what do we do? They're not the same guns (totally different methods of operation. I've BUILT gauss guns and I've BUILT railguns and I can tell you that they are NOT the same) and with conflicting information, I'm not sure about the policy. I would like to think that Halo Wars has the ultimate say being that it's their game and they themselves are the ones who proposed and then redacted the M66 name. I know that there are those that favor more towards the Encyclopedia but fail to remember that it too is developed independent from Bungie as well. I have lots of problems with the new guide but those are mentioned on its discussion page. For now, does anybody have ideas on how to handle the situation?--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 22:59, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
::Haha so I cede some defeat. The newly released Halo Encyclopedia, on top of being a massive canonical wreck, does in fact name the guns M66 Gauss Cannons, in complete contrast to the now established title of Rail Guns and Halo Wars' current information. I tell you, it's getting harder and harder to live like this. :D. So what do we do? They're not the same guns (totally different methods of operation. I've BUILT gauss guns and I've BUILT railguns and I can tell you that they are NOT the same) and with conflicting information, I'm not sure about the policy. I would like to think that Halo Wars has the ultimate say being that it's their game and they themselves are the ones who proposed and then redacted the M66 name. I know that there are those that favor more towards the Encyclopedia but fail to remember that it too is developed independent from Bungie as well. I have lots of problems with the new guide but those are mentioned on its discussion page. For now, does anybody have ideas on how to handle the situation?--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 22:59, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
:::According to our [[Halopedia:Canon policy|policy]], Bungie's Game trumps over other games, so, we will have to return to the M66 Gauss Cannon.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 23:14, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
:::According to our [[Halopedia:Canon Policy|policy]], Bungie's Game trumps over other games, so, we will have to return to the M66 Gauss Cannon.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 23:14, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Woah, Woah, Woah, <s>Sir</s> Madam Subtank! Bungie never made a game referring to the M66! Ensemble made Halo Wars with the LRG Rail Gun though. Accoriding to the policy, I'm pretty sure third-party games trumps associate literature. The encyclopedia is NOT straight from Bungie.
Woah, Woah, Woah, <s>Sir</s> Madam Subtank! Bungie never made a game referring to the M66! Ensemble made Halo Wars with the LRG Rail Gun though. Accoriding to the policy, I'm pretty sure third-party games trumps associate literature. The encyclopedia is NOT straight from Bungie.
:I seemed to misread your previous comment... :S - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 23:43, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
:I seemed to misread your previous comment... :S - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 23:43, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
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===Voting (closed - merge already complete)===
===Voting (closed - merge already complete)===
#{{Support}}- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:57, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
#{{Support}}- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:57, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
#{{support}} - We must all trust Subtank's common sense. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
#{{support}} - We must all trust Subtank's common sense. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:56, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
#{{support}} - Makes sense--'''<span style="background:Brown;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Arabsbananas|<font color="Tan">CR8ZY-ArAB</font>]]</span>''' 20:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
#{{support}} - Makes sense--'''<span style="background:Brown;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Arabsbananas|<font color="Tan">CR8ZY-ArAB</font>]]</span>''' 20:53, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
#{{Support}} - Do it.http://images.wikia.com/common/releases_200912.2/skins/common/images/button_headline.png --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] 21:00, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
#{{Support}} - Do it.http://images.wikia.com/common/releases_200912.2/skins/common/images/button_headline.png --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] [[UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] [[File:Bouncy Wiki Logo.gif|38px]] 21:00, October 16, 2009 (UTC)


== Complication ==
== Complication ==


In a recent Waypoint article detailing Gauss technology, it is clearly stated that the Cobra's guns are designated "M66 Gauss Cannons". So, should these be split again, or perhaps renamed? The Waypoint page makes it perfectly clear that the Cobra's weapons are titled "M66" and are gauss guns instead of railguns. Also, if it matters, the people who write this stuff for Waypoint are Vociferous and Cocopjojo, who are by no means ignorant of the canon, being former AJ staff. --[[User talk:Jugus|Jugus]] 15:07, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
In a recent Waypoint article detailing Gauss technology, it is clearly stated that the Cobra's guns are designated "M66 Gauss Cannons". So, should these be split again, or perhaps renamed? The Waypoint page makes it perfectly clear that the Cobra's weapons are titled "M66" and are gauss guns instead of railguns. Also, if it matters, the people who write this stuff for Waypoint are Vociferous and Cocopjojo, who are by no means ignorant of the canon, being former [[Ascendant Justice (Blog)|AJ]] staff. --[[User talk:Jugus|Jugus]] 15:07, November 29, 2009 (UTC)


:Then it seems we have a predicament. While the cannons seem to operate as railguns and look nothing like their M68 cousins, we must make a decision based on canon alone. On one side we have Waypoint, and the other we have Halo Wars. As much as I hate to say it, if Waypoint info comes DIRECTLY from Bungie, I suppose our canon policy holds that in higher regard. But maybe we can still make a compromise. Does the Waypoint article mention at all the main cannon or talk just about the standard dual cannons? Maybe we could keep the LRG Cannon name for the 105mm big gun and rename the dual cannons as M66 Gauss Cannons.  
:Then it seems we have a predicament. While the cannons seem to operate as railguns and look nothing like their M68 cousins, we must make a decision based on canon alone. On one side we have Waypoint, and the other we have Halo Wars. As much as I hate to say it, if Waypoint info comes DIRECTLY from Bungie, I suppose our canon policy holds that in higher regard. But maybe we can still make a compromise. Does the Waypoint article mention at all the main cannon or talk just about the standard dual cannons? Maybe we could keep the LRG Cannon name for the 105mm big gun and rename the dual cannons as M66 Gauss Cannons.  
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== A completely useless fact ==
== A completely useless fact ==
Alltough we do not know the exact structural details of the railgun in the Halo universe, I  must point out that the railgun prototypes constructed today have, in contrast, shown that they can have an extremely high rate of fire, as there is no need for a removal mechanism for the used shell. Naturally, the slow fire rate has been defined by the design team possibly to stop the unit from becoming too overpowering. --[[User talk:Jones-250|Jones-250]] 12:41, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
Alltough we do not know the exact structural details of the railgun in the Halo universe, I  must point out that the railgun prototypes constructed today have, in contrast, shown that they can have an extremely high rate of fire, as there is no need for a removal mechanism for the used shell. Naturally, the slow fire rate has been defined by the design team possibly to stop the unit from becoming too overpowering. --[[User talk:Jones-250|Jones-250]] 12:41, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
== Redundancy ==
I noticed that while reading through the article that the LRG in the title is quite redundant in some aspect. Wouldn't the LRG stand for Light Rail Gun? I didn't see anywhere in the information sections explaining what the "LRG" stood for. I know Subtank is a trusted member of the website, but the common sense here didn't quite kick in soon. No offense Subs, I was just addressing a point of redundancy. [[User talk:Tetrapex|Tetrapex]] 02:03, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:That "common sense" is, unfortunately, flawed by now. However, wouldn't saying so make the formal title even more redundant? i.e. LRG Rail Gun for Light Rail Gun Rail Gun. It's like the common mistake used by many, "MAC cannon" instead of "the MAC". :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 20:38, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::Well, why put LRG in the title if knowing the LRG stood for Light Rail Gun? [[User talk:Tetrapex|Tetrapex]] 03:32, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Because what was provided officially to us is "#mj LRG Rail Gun", as noted in previous discussions, with "#" indicating number of megajoules.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 04:18, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

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