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They should add them other Warthogs too (Snow Warthog, Jungle Warthog etc). And can someone get a proper picture of the Rocket Warthog, that one there is green and should be black. [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] | They should add them other Warthogs too (Snow Warthog, Jungle Warthog etc). And can someone get a proper picture of the Rocket Warthog, that one there is green and should be black. [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] | ||
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Where did you get the names of the warhog variations? I don't see a link. | Where did you get the names of the warhog variations? I don't see a link. | ||
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==Weird Image== | ==Weird Image== | ||
This image seems funny. Are those ODSTs? And whats going on with the tires? | [[File:Hog.jpg|right|thumb||250px|This image seems funny. Are those ODSTs? And whats going on with the tires?]] | ||
This image is really old, as in possibly pre-Xbox. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 09:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC) | This image is really old, as in possibly pre-Xbox. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 09:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:Seems pre-Xbox to me. It sort of reminds me of the jungle hog??? | :Seems pre-Xbox to me. It sort of reminds me of the jungle hog??? {{UserForerunner}} 19:32 22/01/07 | ||
I believe that's from halogen--[[User:Unggoy|Unggoy]] 13:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC) | I believe that's from halogen--[[User:Unggoy|Unggoy]] 13:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
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Definitly pre-Xbox, i remember a screenshot, labled the "first official screenshot of Halo", and the armor is a dead copy with the mini-rocket thingy on his shoulder. [[User:Capt Bartlett|Capt Bartlett]] 06:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | Definitly pre-Xbox, i remember a screenshot, labled the "first official screenshot of Halo", and the armor is a dead copy with the mini-rocket thingy on his shoulder. [[User:Capt Bartlett|Capt Bartlett]] 06:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
That's a pre-Xbox pic and those are Spartans, not ODST's. Go look at the Pre-Xbox Halo article and you'll see for yourself. -- [[User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 18:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC) | That's a pre-Xbox pic and those are Spartans, not ODST's. Go look at the Pre-Xbox Halo article and you'll see for yourself. --[[File:Final Goji.jpg|30px]] [[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 18:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
There's no towing cable on the front the curent 1 does. | There's no towing cable on the front the curent 1 does. | ||
Holy cow! Those tusks are HUGE!!--[[User:Gold Rage 112|<font color="Black"> Force Colonel Valhala 112 </font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Gold Rage 112|<font color="gold ">Personal COM </font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|<font color="blue "> CSV</font>]]</sub><sup>[http:// | Holy cow! Those tusks are HUGE!!--[[User:Gold Rage 112|<font color="Black"> Force Colonel Valhala 112 </font>]] [[File:Colonel-gr4.gif|19px]] <sup>[[User talk:Gold Rage 112 |<font color="gold ">Personal COM </font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|<font color="blue "> CSV</font>]]</sub><sup>[http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Editcount/Gold_Rage_112| <font color="silver ">Carnage Report </font>]</sup> 21:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
== speed == | == speed == | ||
dose anyone now how fast these beasts go I mean compared to the mongose [[User:Kami-Sama]] | dose anyone now how fast these beasts go I mean compared to the mongose [[User:Kami-Sama]] | ||
*The Warthog can go 46.1 | *The Warthog can go 46.1 mph, according to this page [http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/randomstats.html]. -[[User:Azathoth|The Dark Lord Azathoth]] 14:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
*How odd. Bungie claim it can go 78 | *How odd. Bungie claim it can go 78 mph in their latest release. -[[User:Azathoth|The Dark Lord Azathoth]] 21:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
*In Halo: Contact Harvest Sgt. Johnson sated that top speed was around 120 MPH. [[User:Halonerd147|Halonerd147]] 05:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC) | *In Halo: Contact Harvest Sgt. Johnson sated that top speed was around 120 MPH. [[User:Halonerd147|Halonerd147]] 05:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
The warthog can go up to 80 | The warthog can go up to 80 mph. they were desighned to cacth ghosts but the UNSC had no idea that they could boost so the effort was some what pointless. However they were quick enough to take out spectras so the kept them, Plus they needed a multi transport vehicle--[[User:Jmartinsgalvin|Crash]] 23:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
Has anyone noticed how slow these things are in Halo 3? Its almost painful they are so slow, compaired to themselvs from the previous games. I was actually worried I wouldnt make the last jump at the end of Halo 3! [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 01:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | Has anyone noticed how slow these things are in Halo 3? Its almost painful they are so slow, compaired to themselvs from the previous games. I was actually worried I wouldnt make the last jump at the end of Halo 3! [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 01:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
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The warthogs speed in halo 3 is based on the type of terrain you are driving on and whether you are driving up hill or down. | The warthogs speed in halo 3 is based on the type of terrain you are driving on and whether you are driving up hill or down. | ||
In Contact Harvest, when Johnson says it's going at 120, I'm pretty certain he means in Kmph rather than mph. If you convert 120 Kmph to MPH, you get... 74. That sounds more like it. I think | In Contact Harvest, when Johnson says it's going at 120, I'm pretty certain he means in Kmph rather than mph. If you convert 120 Kmph to MPH, you get... 74. That sounds more like it. I think 78mph is the most accurate number we have. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 13:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
Ok whoever says it is slower than a ghost boosting is ignorant. I have tested all usuable vehicles on sandtrap and the warthog, though lacking in acceleration, can oust any usuable vehicle in top speed, even a boosting banshee. If you don't believe me test it with a friend. Though warthog will lose at first then catch up to and pass any vehicle once it reaches its top speed. I'm working on getting a video for you non-listeners but its rather difficult when your xbl runs out and you have no money to renew it. | Ok whoever says it is slower than a ghost boosting is ignorant. I have tested all usuable vehicles on sandtrap and the warthog, though lacking in acceleration, can oust any usuable vehicle in top speed, even a boosting banshee. If you don't believe me test it with a friend. Though warthog will lose at first then catch up to and pass any vehicle once it reaches its top speed. I'm working on getting a video for you non-listeners but its rather difficult when your xbl runs out and you have no money to renew it. | ||
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Will the turret still be detachable? I've stopped hearing about that feature. [[User:Shotgun Needle|Shotgun Needle]] 21:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | Will the turret still be detachable? I've stopped hearing about that feature. [[User:Shotgun Needle|Shotgun Needle]] 21:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
It was NEVER a confirmed feature, just a rumour. The [[Support Weapons]] are different weapons. The AIE-486H Heavy Machine Gun is not the same gun as the [[M41 LAAG]], its a replacment for the [[M247 GPMG]]. The | It was NEVER a confirmed feature, just a rumour. The [[Support Weapons]] are different weapons. The AIE-486H Heavy Machine Gun is not the same gun as the [[M41 LAAG]], its a replacment for the [[M247 GPMG]]. The [[Plasma Cannon]], [[Missile Pod]] and [[M7057 Defoliant Projector Flamethrower]] are not vehicle mounted. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 22:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
I do remember an update in Bungie saying that you can't rip the turret off the back of the warthog. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 07:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | I do remember an update in Bungie saying that you can't rip the turret off the back of the warthog. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 07:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
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i need to get me one of them, warthog/mongoose hybrid~Spartan 112 | i need to get me one of them, warthog/mongoose hybrid~Spartan 112 | ||
Heh. I wonder if it uses a Hydrogen Fuel Cell? :P --'''UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC) | Heh. I wonder if it uses a Hydrogen Fuel Cell? :P --'''[[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Trivia: Splatter Difficulty == | == Trivia: Splatter Difficulty == | ||
Actually, it's easier to splatter people in Halo 3 than in Halo 2 in my opinion. It probably got easier from the Beta. | Actually, it's easier to splatter people in Halo 3 than in Halo 2 in my opinion. It probably got easier from the Beta. | ||
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I don't see how warthogs help, a simple transportation. I like the Mongoose. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 13:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | I don't see how warthogs help, a simple transportation. I like the Mongoose. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 13:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
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==Signage== | ==Signage== | ||
Some interesting images [http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=848759 here]. Could be useful? -- | Some interesting images [http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=848759 here]. Could be useful? --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 09:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
Well... it seems useful, but I can't see a place where we can insert these stuffs. | Well... it seems useful, but I can't see a place where we can insert these stuffs. | ||
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I was playing BTB and the host changed, then a turret-less Warthog spawned. [http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/fileshare.aspx?gamertag=deadeye9975 Here] is a link to a screen shot and video. I think it might be an egg. | I was playing BTB and the host changed, then a turret-less Warthog spawned. [http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/fileshare.aspx?gamertag=deadeye9975 Here] is a link to a screen shot and video. I think it might be an egg. | ||
-- [[User:Smothmoth|Smothmoth]] 12:54, | -- [[User:Smothmoth|Smothmoth]] 12:54, 09 December 2007 | ||
==Narwhal== | ==Narwhal== | ||
Deleted fanon about a water-version. '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 22:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | Deleted fanon about a water-version. '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 22:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
Can someone explain why Razorback redirects here? -- | Can someone explain why Razorback redirects here? --{{LordSig2}} | ||
== William Stalker == | == William Stalker == | ||
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== Size == | == Size == | ||
A warthog isn't 20 | A warthog isn't 20 ft long nor 10 ft tall I am fixing this | ||
:Unless you can prove it, your wrong. That edit will be reverted. [[User:Ghost sangheili|<font color="red">Pryo 'Zarkum</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|<font color="orange">My COM </font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|<font color="green"> My Work </font>]]</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War <font color="blue">My Story</font>]</sup> 16:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC) | :Unless you can prove it, your wrong. That edit will be reverted. [[User:Ghost sangheili|<font color="red">Pryo 'Zarkum</font>]] [[File:Major-gr2.gif|19px]] <sup>[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|<font color="orange">My COM </font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|<font color="green"> My Work </font>]]</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War <font color="blue">My Story</font>]</sup> 16:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
Well if Master cheif is 7 | Well if Master cheif is 7 ft tall the biggest size I see for it is 14 ft long a warthog isn't going to triple Master Cheif | ||
I have to agree with the 14 feet, because if you kill yourself length-wise to it in-game and then measure that, it comes out to very near 4 meters as opposed to 6 or whatever it was. Also, if you have a second person playing at the same time, one can plainly see that the 'Hog is only marginally taller than Chief. If I had to estimate, I would say approximately 2.3 m. Please, I urge you to change this. | I have to agree with the 14 feet, because if you kill yourself length-wise to it in-game and then measure that, it comes out to very near 4 meters as opposed to 6 or whatever it was. Also, if you have a second person playing at the same time, one can plainly see that the 'Hog is only marginally taller than Chief. If I had to estimate, I would say approximately 2.3 m. Please, I urge you to change this. | ||
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I've never seen marines driving a warthog in halo:CE. The only time they do is in a cutscean. In the cutscean the driver doesn't move is head when he turn, unlike eveyrone else. he just looks to the lift, even when he turns right!! so, CAN marines drive warthogs in Halo:CE or am i just stupid?? | I've never seen marines driving a warthog in halo:CE. The only time they do is in a cutscean. In the cutscean the driver doesn't move is head when he turn, unlike eveyrone else. he just looks to the lift, even when he turns right!! so, CAN marines drive warthogs in Halo:CE or am i just stupid?? | ||
:The Warthog in the cutscene was scripted. Halo:CE's Marine can't drive. Oh, and you're not stupid.- | :The Warthog in the cutscene was scripted. Halo:CE's Marine can't drive. Oh, and you're not stupid.- <b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 19:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
::What cutscene? Flood12345 | ::What cutscene? {{Flood12345 Sign}} | ||
:Not in the normal game, they don't. They are able to (as in they can get in the driver's seat), but they actually never do. | :Not in the normal game, they don't. They are able to (as in they can get in the driver's seat), but they actually never do. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 19:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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== Naming == | == Naming == | ||
This is where people can vote if they think the page should or shouldn't be renamed.--[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http:// | This is where people can vote if they think the page should or shouldn't be renamed.--[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] [[UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] [[File:Bouncy Wiki Logo.gif|38px]] 22:29, 25 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
===Support=== | ===Support=== | ||
#{{Support}} - I think it should. Everything else isn't called by what they're called in-game, so why should this be an exception? --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http:// | #{{Support}} - I think it should. Everything else isn't called by what they're called in-game, so why should this be an exception? --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] [[UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] [[File:Bouncy Wiki Logo.gif|38px]] 22:29, 25 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
# Just add (Warthog) to the end of it, I'll be happy. Make a puma reference and I'll be really happy :P--[[User talk:XG33Kx|XG33Kx]] 17:53, November 1, 2009 (UTC) | # Just add (Warthog) to the end of it, I'll be happy. Make a puma reference and I'll be really happy :P--[[User talk:XG33Kx|XG33Kx]] 17:53, November 1, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Dude I doudthalopedia is going to make a page for fanon--[[Special:Contributions/76.126.222.218|76.126.222.218]] 06:55, December 29, 2009 (UTC) | Dude I doudthalopedia is going to make a page for fanon--[[Special:Contributions/76.126.222.218|76.126.222.218]] 06:55, December 29, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:User:76.126.222.218 is correct. There will be no page on this. | :User:76.126.222.218 is correct. There will be no page on this. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 09:01, December 29, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Puma Reference == | == Puma Reference == | ||
==Puma Reference== | ==Puma Reference:== | ||
In Halo 3, if look carefully at the rims on the Warthogs, the all say ''Puma''. This is clearly a reference a Red vs. Blue where Simmons and Grif argue with Sarge about whether to call the Warthog ''Puma, ''or ''Warthog''. Grif and Simmons think it is a puma. Later, when Tucker spots through his sniper scope, he think it looks like "some sort of puma thing." | In Halo 3, if look carefully at the rims on the Warthogs, the all say ''Puma''. This is clearly a reference a Red vs. Blue where Simmons and Grif argue with Sarge about whether to call the Warthog ''Puma, ''or ''Warthog''. Grif and Simmons think it is a puma. Later, when Tucker spots through his sniper scope, he think it looks like "some sort of puma thing." | ||
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Is there anything to the changed naming convention? Or is this an Army/Marines naming difference? [[Special:Contributions/121.215.69.131|121.215.69.131]] 14:31, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | Is there anything to the changed naming convention? Or is this an Army/Marines naming difference? [[Special:Contributions/121.215.69.131|121.215.69.131]] 14:31, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Where did the "FAV" come from? I don't think I've ever seen it. -- [[User:Specops306| | :Where did the "FAV" come from? I don't think I've ever seen it. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:49, August 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Here http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=ordnance&cid=25442, it says "Force Application Vehicle". [[User talk:VadersFist666|VadersFist666]] 01:01, August 9, 2010 (UTC) | Here http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=ordnance&cid=25442, it says "Force Application Vehicle". [[User talk:VadersFist666|VadersFist666]] 01:01, August 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Well, we do know that the Army calls the basic MA5 the MA37, and it doesn't seem particularly different to the regular LRV to warrant being another variant - I would say that, with Reach's increased involvement from the Army, that it is reasonable to assume that it is the Army designation for the Warthog. Of course, "reasonable to assume" doesn't make it a fact, so best to keep it to the talk page until we can get confirmation. -- [[User:Specops306| | :Well, we do know that the Army calls the basic MA5 the MA37, and it doesn't seem particularly different to the regular LRV to warrant being another variant - I would say that, with Reach's increased involvement from the Army, that it is reasonable to assume that it is the Army designation for the Warthog. Of course, "reasonable to assume" doesn't make it a fact, so best to keep it to the talk page until we can get confirmation. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 06:37, August 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::FAV appears again in the Human arsenal video on Waypoint. Perhaps the LRV designation only applies to the standard LAAV Vulcan-equipped warthogs? With the amount of heavy ordinance that can be utilized as the turret, the FAV designation certainly makes more sense than a light recon vehicle when we're talking about the base model.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 15:14, September 11, 2010 (UTC) | ::FAV appears again in the Human arsenal video on Waypoint. Perhaps the LRV designation only applies to the standard LAAV Vulcan-equipped warthogs? With the amount of heavy ordinance that can be utilized as the turret, the FAV designation certainly makes more sense than a light recon vehicle when we're talking about the base model.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 15:14, September 11, 2010 (UTC) | ||