Editing Talk:Librarian

Was it actually stated that the Librarian was female? I thought it was left ambiguous. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 21:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, I was thinking about that. It was never stated whether or not the Librarian was male or female. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]][[Image:General-gr1.gif|30px]]</b> 21:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

:Maybe it was another man, and they had no women or were Homosexual like the Romans. It has to be one of these because the Librarian and Didact were in love. [[User:Lovemuffin|'''<font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin</font>''']]<sub>[[UserWiki:Lovemuffin|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Wiki Userpage</font>]]</sub><sub>[[User talk:Lovemuffin|<font color="Gray">Talk Page</font>]]</sub><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lovemuffin|<font color="black">Contributions</font>]]</sub>[[Image:Dancing_master_chief.gif|30px]] 01:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

::Was the ''Didact'' given a gender? I thought they were both ambiguous. And homosexuality is more or less acceptable in our society, so I don't know why you'd bring up the Romans specifically. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

:::I thought a large part of Bungie's ideas make historical analogies. In Ancient Rome gender wasn't divided in terms of relationships, comparing to a utopia. Bungie may have wanted this connection. <u>[[User:Lovemuffin|'''<font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin</font>''']]</u><sup>[[UserWiki:Lovemuffin|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Wiki Userpage</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Editcount/Lovemuffin|<font color="Navy">Edit Count</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lovemuffin|<font color="Gray">Talk Page</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lovemuffin|<font color="black">Contributions</font>]]</sub>[[Image:Dancing_master_chief.gif|35px]] 00:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

::::The Librarian was never referred to by a gender and neither was the Didact. It seems foolish to assume and imply gender based on one being a "defender" and one being a "biologist" (or whatever you desire to call them). The Forerunners may not even have had genders or genders may have been meaningless to them. And in regard to the possibility of a filial relationship: If the Librarian is indeed filial to the Didact, they never speak as anything but equals. I think people are confused by the message displayed upon initial access to [http://halopedian.com/Terminals#Terminal_Seven Terminal Seven]: when a son writes his father and tells him of his courage. It would seem to be nothing more than a random message that found its way into the Terminal. There were already so many errors and anomalies in all the Terminals' memories that an aberrant message is not surprising. [[User:Kori126|Kori126]] 18:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

:::::Does anyone actually have sources saying that the librarian is a female? During last october I went through and changed the "she" into different ways of wording so as not to falsely portray that The Librarian was a female. However several users have changed this back, and I was wondering if anyone can provide sources as to state, or even hint at the Librarian's gender. If no source can be found, then I think that it must be changed back so as not to put such an emphasis on the supposed belief of The librarian's gender being female. <font color="#7F007F">[[User:Blade_bane/Stats|'''B''']][[Special:Contributions/Blade_bane|'''L''']][[User:Blade_bane/Guestbook|'''A''']][[User:Blade_bane/Signature|<font color="#000000">'''D'''</font>]][[User:Blade_bane/Quotes|<font color="#B0E0E6">'''E'''</font>]][[User:Blade bane|'''BANE''']]</font> [[User:Blade_bane|<font color="#FFA500">Anti-Vandal</font>]] 09:34, January 5, 2010 (UTC)Blade bane

I always thought the Librarian and the Didact were father and son or student and teacher. [[User talk:ShortRoundMcfly|ShortRoundMcfly]] 20:10, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

it is also possible that the Librarian was the son (or something) of the Didact, their relationship could be one of father-son love and caring.

:The [[Halo Encyclopedia]] clearly and repeatedly refers to the Librarian and Didact as lovers, and as female and male respectively. Page 184-185 in particular.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 21:06, January 5, 2010 (UTC)



Hey, I was looking at the symbol and am I the only one who thinks it looks kinda like a 2D version of the hallway used in the iris servers. It makes sense since she (personally I feel a feminine vibe from him/her so i'll just call librarian female for our purposes) seems to have made the entries in the machines in these homes.

== Final moments ==

We can see her near mount kilimanjaro in the terminal right before dying to the halo array. Well we see her shadow.
[[User talk:Erickyboo|Erickyboo]] 19:08, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:Is this her shadow, though? Seeing as they were made by 343i, and at this point the character of the Librarian for Halo 4 would be designed, the silhouettes don't match. Is it possible that it's just a human?--[[User talk:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] 23:00, 8 November 2012 (EST)

== Cryptum? ==

Seeing as how the Didact seems to be imprisoned in more of a cell than an actual Cryptum, are we certain that his spherical craft is, in fact, a Cryptum? It seems to operate far more differently than we have been told of Cryptums in the novel.--[[User talk:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] 05:00, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== Possible Appearance of the Librarian in ''Halo 4'' ==

Since ''Halo 4'' has officially been released now, is there any information regarding the re-appearance of the Librarian in ''Halo 4''? Like maybe in the Terminals or in some kind of cutscene, maybe? If so, can we get some high-quality screenshots of the Librarian as seen in ''Halo 4''? --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 12:48, 7 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330

:Yup, she appears as stored memories in the campaign, and alive in the Terminals. I'll hunt down pics. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:43, 7 November 2012 (EST)

::Awesome, thanks. Do the same for the Didact images, too. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 13:55, 7 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330

==The Lifeshaper Lives==
Near the end of ''Silentium'', the Librarian gives her title of Lifeshaper to Chants-To-Green, then departs to Earth where she seemingly dies. Noting this, and that Guilty Spark refers to the entity that he is searching for only as "Lifeshaper", it's been theorized thus that he's actually looking for Chants, and that the Librarian actually died as was previously thought before ''Primordium''. Now, my local library has neither of the books, so I can't check for myself nor argue much, but I'll say this for the "he's looking for Chants" side.
# Chants being the sought-for-Lifeshaper fits better with the canon. All other sources indicate the Librarian is dead for good, with no explanation for how she survived the firing of the rings.
# Every appearance of the Librarian in ''Halo 4'' that teased at her survival has been justified as an AI. Why keep playing a game of "[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActuallyADoombot Just a Librarian-bot?]"
# The Librarian is hinted to be a death seeker. In ''Halo 3'''s Terminals, she stays on Earth with no hope of surviving solely on the chance that the Flood might follow her through the Portal. In ''Halo 4''s terminals, her farewell to the Ur-Didact includes an acceptance that the Forerunners' time is past and the rings will end it.
# Guilty Spark is rampant. He states some details that sound like Librarian, but it may be him confusing the two, much like how he thought he was a copy of the original Spark. Doylistly, Bear may have changed his mind and this may be an [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AuthorsSavingThrow Author's Saving Throw], intended to retcon the Librarian's survival.

That's all I've got to say about that. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 01:32, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

:The way Spark describes the Lifeshaper in ''Primordium'' implies that he can be talking about none other than the Librarian. Whether he turns out to be right or not is another matter entirely (he's most likely wrong and you may well be right in that he confused Chant with the Librarian as a result of both his incomplete memory and rampancy), but he's clearly looking for the original Lifeshaper as opposed to Chant. Thus we should keep the content of the "Possible survival" section in this article, though it might be a better idea to move it to a separate section outside the biography due to the unreliability of Spark's statement. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 09:24, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

Makes sense. Alright then, a "possible survival" part seems a good compromise. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 18:16, 7 April 2013 (EDT)

== How long do they know each other ? ==

It is stated in Cryptum and the article that the Librarian and the Didacte met on Charum Hakkor (can't quote, I only have the french edition of the book). But in Silentium, page 52 : "I had not seen him smile since we had been Manipulars, […]." Seems to mean they know each other since childhood. Is Bear contradicting himslef ? (Sorry for the awkward grammar/stuffs, I'm not english-native.)  [[User:Lunaramethyst|''<span style="color:#483D8B">ΩPer Mare,</span>'']][[User talk:Lunaramethyst|'''<span style="color:#6B8E23"> ΔPer Terras</span>''',]][[Special:Contributions/|<span style="color:#0000CD"> ΨPer Constellatum</span>]] 13:33, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
:Not really a contradiction. Since we know they met before the Human-Forerunner war, it most likely means they met on Charum Hakkor as Manipulars.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 13:42, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
::Wasn't Charum Hakkor the capital of human empire ? Why would Manipulars, and even Forerunners, be there ?  [[User:Lunaramethyst|''<span style="color:#483D8B">ΩPer Mare,</span>'']][[User talk:Lunaramethyst|'''<span style="color:#6B8E23"> ΔPer Terras</span>''',]][[Special:Contributions/|<span style="color:#0000CD"> ΨPer Constellatum</span>]] 13:50, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

==Strange dais…==
[[File:LibrarianDais-DidactHelmet-comparison.jpg|thumbnail]]
Soooo… The dais she's using in Halo 4 is nothing but the Didact's helmet. What does that means ?  [[Special:Contributions/81.53.11.29|81.53.11.29]] 08:13, 19 January 2014 (EST)

:It's not identical to the Didact's helmet but it's remarkably close. Good observation! The Didact's helmet is a little larger than the Librarian's dais. I made a render showing the two side by side for comparison. You can see the helmet is larger and the dais has more ornamentation. It looks like more of a skull with horns but with the Didact's helmet 'face'. Not sure why it was designed that way though. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 12:49, 19 January 2014 (EST)

::Well, that ''is'' bizarre. Wonder how this came to be. Modeler laziness, or an intentional easter egg? --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:10, 19 January 2014 (EST)

:::I'm guessing it was designed by Kenneth Scott. That would explain why my first thought was ''Doom 3''. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 16:49, 19 January 2014 (EST)