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{{FactOrFictionResolved|06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)|[[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]]|This name is fictional name made up to describe what is really the Covenant Cruiser.  I'll withdraw my call to delete this article if you can prove it exists by giving me a PAGE NUMBER of where it was mentioned or where in the games it was mentioned.|09:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)}}
{{FactOrFictionResolved|06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)|[[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]]|This name is fictional name made up to describe what is really the Covenant Cruiser.  I'll withdraw my call to delete this article if you can prove it exists by giving me a PAGE NUMBER of where it was mentioned or where in the games it was mentioned.|09:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)}}


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Isnt this the same as [[Covenant Assault Carrier]]? -[[User:ED|ED]] 02:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Isnt this the same as [[Covenant assault carrier]]? -[[User:ED|ED]] 02:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


:Don't think so. [[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] 07:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
:Don't think so. [[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] 07:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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It also has similar armaments and length to the ''Reverence''-class Cruiser mentioned in ''Ghosts of Onyx''.
It also has similar armaments and length to the ''Reverence''-class Cruiser mentioned in ''Ghosts of Onyx''.
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== Conjecturalization ==
== Conjecturalization ==


My name for this is conjecturalized. It has been listed as a large cruiser...super + cruiser = supercruiser. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 20:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
My name for this is conjecturalized. It has been listed as a large cruiser...super + cruiser = supercruiser. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]][[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 20:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:Conjecturalized isn't a real world.  To make a guess, to make something up to post speculation is something called, conjecture. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:Conjecturalized isn't a real world.  To make a guess, to make something up to post speculation is something called, conjecture. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


==Votes for Deletion==
==Votes for Deletion==
*'''Delete''' this fan fiction name is mere conjecture, or speculation. Speculation is something that is banned on Halopedia. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' this fan fiction name is mere conjecture, or speculation. Speculation is something that is banned on Halopedia. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' - the information on this ship is real, it is simply the name that is under dispute. It was a major plot device in the [[Battle of Reach]], and was a large reason for the Covenant's sack of the UNSC. Like Wookieepedia does, I recommend to keep it the way it is: with the hypothesized name, but a tag listing its ambiguity, unless you have something better? Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 16:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Strong Keep''' - the information on this ship is real, it is simply the name that is under dispute. It was a major plot device in the [[Battle of Reach]], and was a large reason for the Covenant's sack of the UNSC. Like Wookieepedia does, I recommend to keep it the way it is: with the hypothesized name, but a tag listing its ambiguity, unless you have something better? Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]][[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 16:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Unless you can prove the ship found in [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]] on page 297 during the [[Battle of Reach]] is without a doubt an [[Assault Carrier]], then it would be "rampant speculation" to say this is an Assault Carrier, would it not?--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]] 2334 6.12.06
*'''Keep''' - Unless you can prove the ship found in [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]] on page 297 during the [[Battle of Reach]] is without a doubt an [[Assault Carrier]], then it would be "rampant speculation" to say this is an Assault Carrier, would it not?--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]] 2334 6.12.06
::An update on that, this quote is describing the Covenant ship in question on page 323 in [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]. "The covenant ship centered on the main view screen. This close Captain Keyes saw how huge the ship was- three times the mass of a normal cruiser." The quote doesn't prove without a doubt the ship is called a supercruiser, which I am not trying to prove, but it does give very good reason to believe the ship is a cruiser, which an [[Assault Carrier]] is not (the whole carrier thing kind of disqualifies it from being a cruiser). Earlier, on page 297 "One Covenant ship sat in the center of the pack, a gigantic vessel, larger the 3 UNSC cruisers." The common comparison to a cruiser rather than any other ship, and the use of the word normal in the 323 quote imply that it is a cruiser. Thus, I think it is safe to say this is not an [[Assault Carrier]]. And thus, I think it is safe to leave this ship up until we have an official name for it.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 1539 7.12.06
::An update on that, this quote is describing the Covenant ship in question on page 323 in [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]. "The covenant ship centered on the main view screen. This close Captain Keyes saw how huge the ship was- three times the mass of a normal cruiser." The quote doesn't prove without a doubt the ship is called a supercruiser, which I am not trying to prove, but it does give very good reason to believe the ship is a cruiser, which an [[Assault Carrier]] is not (the whole carrier thing kind of disqualifies it from being a cruiser). Earlier, on page 297 "One Covenant ship sat in the center of the pack, a gigantic vessel, larger the 3 UNSC cruisers." The common comparison to a cruiser rather than any other ship, and the use of the word normal in the 323 quote imply that it is a cruiser. Thus, I think it is safe to say this is not an [[Assault Carrier]]. And thus, I think it is safe to leave this ship up until we have an official name for it.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 1539 7.12.06
:::Concur as per Rot. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 17:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Concur as per Rot. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 17:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't think so. Stephen Loftus's scale chart (http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/?display=CapitalShips) shows an Assault Carrier to be about three times the length of a CCS-class cruiser, and usually three times the size means about three times the length in something where length is the prominent dimension. Just my farthing. Just one question, are unregistered users allowed to vote?[[User:24.251.125.185|24.251.125.185]] 04:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't think so. Stephen Loftus's scale chart (http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/?display=CapitalShips) shows an Assault Carrier to be about three times the length of a CCS-class cruiser, and usually three times the size means about three times the length in something where length is the prominent dimension. Just my farthing. Just one question, are unregistered users allowed to vote?[[User:24.251.125.185|24.251.125.185]] 04:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::Actually, the HBO chart puts the [[Assault Carrier]] at around five times the UNSC cruiser, which is slightly large than three times. The mystery ship at the [[Battle of Reach]] is approximately 3km long, perhaps more. The Assault Carrier is a tad over 5km.
::Actually, the HBO chart puts the [[Assault Carrier]] at around five times the UNSC cruiser, which is slightly large than three times. The mystery ship at the [[Battle of Reach]] is approximately 3km long, perhaps more. The Assault Carrier is a tad over 5km.
:::Such an oddity that I misread the argument here. The CCS-class Battlecruiser is actually '''exactly''' three times the length of a Covenant Assault Carrier. However, the Battlecruiser is also longer than a regular Covenant Cruiser, which is estimated to be less than 1500m.
:::Such an oddity that I misread the argument here. The CCS-class Battlecruiser is actually '''exactly''' three times the length of a Covenant Assault Carrier. However, the Battlecruiser is also longer than a regular Covenant Cruiser, which is estimated to be less than 1500m.
::::--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 22:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
::::--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 22:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
::::
::::It has a page in the "Halo encylopiedia" wich IS canon. taht alone should be ehough.  [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 23:25, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


== Covenant Super cruiser ==
== Covenant Super cruiser ==


What if the mysterious ship was the ship in Halo First Strike with the five bublous section and a dozen energy projectors. After all, projectors do emit a silver white beam described by a Spartan as the larger ships have them while there was one fired to clear an opening in the forerunner location underground. {{unsigned|Halo3}}
What if the mysterious ship was the ship in Halo First Strike with the five bublous section and a dozen energy projectors. After all, projectors do emit a silver white beam described by a Sparten as the larger ships have them while there was one fired to clear an opening in the forerunner location underground. {{unsigned|Halo3}}
:That's the {{Pattern|Rasus|interdictor}}. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 17:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
:That's the [[Covenant Battleship]]. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 17:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


Covenant Battleship is also a conjecturelized name for the mystery ship at the ''Unyielding Hierophant''. However, seeing as how the minimum length of the Supercruiser is 3000m (roughly assuming the cruiser used to describe it is a UNSC cruiser) and the mystery ship is 2000m long.
Covenant Battleship is also a conjecturelized name for the mystery ship at the ''Unyielding Hierophant''. However, seeing as how the minimum length of the Supercruiser is 3000m (roughly assuming the cruiser used to describe it is a UNSC cruiser) and the mystery ship is 2000m long.
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Assault Carrier is 5300 meters long if you multiply 1500 times three it is 4500 meters  but less than 5000meters so it is possible that this was just a rough estimate.  Or that they meant a CCS-class battle cruiser which is 1/3rd the length of an Assault Carrier.  The reason I think its unlikely to be an Assault carrier is the POA destroyed it and the Assault carrier gutted a Marathon in Halo 2 and Marathon>POA. And an Assault carrier passed through 75 UNSC warships and a buch of Orbital defense platforms its gotta be powerful.
Assault Carrier is 5300 meters long if you multiply 1500 times three it is 4500 meters  but less than 5000meters so it is possible that this was just a rough estimate.  Or that they meant a CCS-class battle cruiser which is 1/3rd the length of an Assault Carrier.  The reason I think its unlikely to be an Assault carrier is the POA destroyed it and the Assault carrier gutted a Marathon in Halo 2 and Marathon>POA. And an Assault carrier passed through 75 UNSC warships and a buch of Orbital defense platforms its gotta be powerful.
Someone change the size of the marathon cruiser from 1500 meters to 1192 meters and since the size of the covenant supercruiser depends on the size of the marathon cruiser I'm going to change the size of the supercruiser to the size of 3 marathon cruisers witch will make it 3576 meters. In other words I'm going to rechange the size of the supercruiser to the size it had before witch was 3576 meters.
== Possible Appearance in New Mombasa?  ==
I know it has been stated that the ship UNSC IN AMBER CLAD followed was an assault carrier, but think, the CLAD was 478 meters long. The ship the CLAD chased was at least 100 times its size, so...no wait, is it possible there's an even bigger class of ships in the Covenant, not including High Charity?[[User:M.C. Spartan|M.C. Spartan]] 19:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)M.C. Spartan
There becomes a point at which making a ship any larger becomes utterly pointless. You can only stuff so many weapons into a hull, and extremely large ships are also extremely hard to maneuver. If your dimensions are correct, than the unknown covenant ship is >47800 meters in length. The Earth is 12756 meters in diameter. Unless the Covenant is building ships larger than planets, I find this fishy. Plus I want to see their shipyard :) -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 04:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
In addition, any ship that large would have enough armament to destroy entire fleets, much less the Clad -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]]
Sorry, but earth is 12756 kilometers in diameter, so just being 47 km long doesn't make this ship bigger than the planet. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 17:39, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
== Name Change ==
I believe that "Covenant Sniper Ship" would be a more fitting name for this article. On page 295 it is said that it's "going to snipe our ships," plus it is not at all utilized like a cruiser during the battle. [[User talk:EldritchWarlord|EldritchWarlord]] 03:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
==Battle of Reach==
In the book Fall of Reach, this ship once fired at and destroyed five UNSC ships with simultaneous energy projector shots. Does anyone else find it rather odd that, given the energy projector is stated to outrange the ODP, the covenant did not simply use this ship to snipe the defense platforms? The ship could have done it in four salvos, and the covenant losses in the battle would have been dramatically less. You'd think after they realized how powerful the ODP is, they'd take them out from range, rather than with the slipspace microjump sacrifice trick they used. Just a thought. [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 22:49, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Another point about the Battle of Reach, the confrontation between one of these cruisers and the PoA was simply put... complete BS. There is NO WAY the PoA should have won that fight, not unless the ship master was a brute (or something equally retarded). What other thoughts exist amongst halopedians about this engagement? [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 06:24, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
==Why Don't We Have an Image?==
It's there in the Fall of Reach comic. [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 18:54, 11 December 2012 (EST)
:Feel free to scan it yourself. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
::Sorry, but I do not know hw to use one. Can we use the image from Halo Nation? [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 18:41, 14 December 2012 (EST)
:::Stealing images is frowned upon in this establishment. [[User talk:Guardaxion|Guardaxion]]
::::Very well, then. [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 02:14, 15 December 2012 (EST)
:::::You don't know how to use a scanner?--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 08:17, 15 December 2012 (EST)
::::::Is that so bad? I hardly (and I mean ''hardly'') know how to use mine... So I can't help you there, sorry. --<b>[[User:Tentacletornado|<font color="#2E8B57">''Tent''</font><font color="#3CB371">''acle''</font>]][[User talk:Tentacletornado|<font color="#DAA520">''Torn''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Tentacletornado|<font color="#B8860B">''ado''</font>]]</b> 08:59, 15 December 2012 (EST)
Just to note that it is not stealing if a site does not "own" it. So, Missing Mandible, just upload the image and apply attribution from where you got it, as required by our [[Halopedia:Copyrights|Copyright policy]]. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:32, 15 December 2012 (EST)
:{{done}} - I uploaded the image(s) and put in attributions. If they are incorrect feel free to modify the images.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 10:58, 15 December 2012 (EST)
::I added links to the original images to reference where they came from.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:28, 15 December 2012 (EST)
: If you gave a Marvel artist a picture of an assault carrier from the angle that it was drawn in the comic and the artist didn't see what the ship looks like from any other angle, the pictures in this article is what would probably be drawn. I'm 90% certain this is supposed to be a standard assault carrier. The overall shapes and details seem to fit if viewed from those angles. Marvel artists drawing Halo spacecraft are given still images at various angles and they draw what they see. Not saying the page can't still be here as an unidentified ship, but I was quite surprised to stumble across this page. I think it's just an assault carrier from an artist not used to Halo or drawing spacecraft. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 11:09, 28 September 2013 (EDT)
::While the comic rendition of the ship does look an awful lot like an assault carrier, the article wasn't created in response to the images in the comic book; rather, it's based on the descriptions of the ship from the original novel. Captain Keyes' reaction, and the descriptions of the ship's capabilities, in ''The Fall of Reach'' imply that the vessel was clearly different from an ordinary Covenant ship - an assault carrier would've been immediately familiar to Keyes. Why it's depicted as an assault carrier in the comic is probably just the Marvel artist being a Marvel artist and taking whatever reference he can find without actual knowledge of the subject matter. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:11, 29 September 2013 (EDT)

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