Editing Talk:Ket-pattern battlecruiser

==Disputed Content==

What content is disputed? --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 01:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hello. Ok. Well, first - who knows the number of ships in a CCS battlegroup? Second,who knows what CCS stands for? <s> And third, the ''Ascendant Justice'' was not necessarily a CCS-class. </s> Nvm my third comment. Ok. THe weapons of a CCS-class are unknown, because the ''Ascendant Justice'' was not confirmed as a CCS-class. And more that I can't think of right now. Sorry if I'm annoying you peoples. =)

:Cheers,

:[[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] 19:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::I think  Ascendant Justice was probably an Assault Carrier, I can see your points but its ok to speculate some times.         - [[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 20:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:::"Our fighters are mopping up the last of their recon picket now, nothing serious. '''But, I've isolated approach signatures from multiple CCS battle groups; make it three capitol ships per group'''. And in about 90 seconds they'll be all over us" -Cortana, ''Pillar of Autumn'' level -[[User:ED|ED]] 02:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Perhaps we should start using a list of references like Wikipedia does? --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 06:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
:::We did not have much problem with disputed content before we transferred. -[[User:ED|ED]]
::::True, but sometimes it takes a while to find junk info. I remember a few non-existant Prophet characters that lasted for over a year before I realized I had not heard of them, and looked for a source. Also, there was a bit of confusion with someone mistaking modded vehicles with fanfic descriptions for a legitimate part of the universe. I can see how citing sources could help improve the site. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 08:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the CCS-class cruiser seen in the opening cutscene of Halo 2, during the flashback of the Covenant arriving at Halo is probably the ''Ascendant Justice''.--[[User:Spartan 118|Spartan 118]] 22:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:''Ascendant Justice'' was a flagship. It was much larger than the CCS class ships. This was made note of in the book, the Ascendant Justice was not a CCS class ship. Furthermore, since the dispute is over, I'm removing the template. -[[User:ED|ED]] 01:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

What I think about the letters CCS probably stands for Covenant Carrier Support or something like that.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 15:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== CCS ==

CCS stands for Covenant Captal Ship--[[User:Darth nexes|Darth nexes]] 19:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you know that for sure? It carries troops like a carrier, you know it has so many? It's not an actual capital ship, Cap. Ships look different from CCS's.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 22:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:The idea for the CCS meaning behind the letters is a smart one, but is still fiction. Sorry! And anyways, ''capital ship'' generally refers to any large ship larger than a starfighter...yeah...cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 23:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== picture ==
[[ Image:CCS-FanArt.jpg|thumb|Should the picture be used?]][[Image:CovenantWarshipFanArt.jpg|thumb|Should the picture be used?]]
i dont think the picture shown on the page at the top in the info table is that of a CCS class battle cruiser it should be a ship like the ''truth and recanciliation'' am i right? {{unsigned|90.240.54.19}}
:that ''is'' like the ''Truth and Reconciliation'' <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|30px]] 18:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The bottom picture is fanfic --[[User:UNSC AI|Will]] 20:33, 05 January 2007 (UTC)

i think that the bottom pic should be used. or that some one should get a pic of the truth and reconciliation, because that is a CCS-class,--[[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 13:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

== Interior Photos ==

I've uploaded all kinds of inside shots of the CCS-class, if aynone has any issues with these contact me. I've got many more, i'll upload new ones. --[[User:Donut THX 1138|Shch &#39;Nodotee]] 02:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== Weapons ==

In Halo First Strike it mentions that a cruiser could launch 5 plasma torpedos at once..[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 22:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)--Halo3

== Point of view? ==

This article seems to have been written from a real world point of view despite the fact it should be written from within the Halo universe, for example:

"However, unwanted perpetrators can also be taken up in this beam, as did SPARTAN-117 and various Orbital Drop Shock Troopers during a daring raid in the events of Halo: Combat Evolved, the level of "Truth and Reconcilitation". "

Halo: Combat Evolved is a real world reference, if this is to be included in the article it should really be referred to as the battle of installation 04 or Alpha Halo - whichever is more consistent with the rest of the wikipedia.

In general it seems to be written too much from a game point of view, with a cruiser like this details such as the doors and number of brigs are less significant - its combat capability would seem more important, what weapons it had, armour, shielding etc.  Admittedly this does present the problem that detail is quite vague, although we know it must have had plasma turret(s), a point defence laser system and shielding there's not much more detail than that.  In First Strike the Ascendent Justice is listed as having seven plasma turrets, therefore the CCS-cruiser must have less but I can't think of an instance where this is detailed? 

Also, this is meant to be about the general class of ship not the Truth and Reconciliation - it seems to go into too much detail about that particular ship.  Again for the section above I'd reword that as the Gravity left being susceptible to UNSC intrusion but not go into specifics.







Does anyone else think that CCS stands for Covenant Capital Ship?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes--[[User:The Chazz025|The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] 17:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yes. Cortana said so in the openin cutsene of halo:CE. plus wateva the Covenant say in halo is roughly translated!!! so it very well cud be...
Wait a second I don't recall cortana sayin CCS class.I don't recall anything mentioning a the term CCS.Is CCS specualtion because generally I just hear battle cruiser or just simply cruiser.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 01:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)--Halo3

Dont believe me?just pop Halo on and replay first level its in the very first cutscene man--[[User:CHr0n0sPh3r3|CHr0n0sPh3r3]] 12:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)cHr0n0sPh3r3

I'd be 98% sure that CCS stands for Covenant Capital Ship. Just look at modern military acronyms for vehicle classification. My only other guesses were Cruiser Class Ship or Cruiser Covenant Ship, but if we look at the CAR (maybe assault/recon?) and CPV (P-something Vessel?) acronyms, these last two just don't fit. The first letter must stand for Covenant.

Furthermore, it is common in science fiction to make a distinction between space ships of "capital grade" and others, whether they are specialized or sub-capital grade. Capital ships are generally long-range, well armed for their size, and able to fulfill several roles within a fleet. The Longsword and Pelican are space-faring vessels, but not capital ships. I'd even dare to say that the line would be drawn at cutter and scout or frigate, a cutter not being a capital grade vessel.

I believe the ships themselves don't belong to the CCS acronym, but that the battle group is classified as such because it is composed entirely of capital grade vessels. This is further verified through what Cortana states about CCS battle group that contains three capital ships. The wording is very specific:

"But, I've isolated approach signatures from multiple CCS battle groups, make it 3 capital ships per group."

The battle group is classified as CCS, not the ships directly, though they do satisfy the requirements for the groups classification.
[[User:69.59.74.182|69.59.74.182]] 05:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No CCS does not stand for covenant capital ship as a covenant capital ship is actually an assault carrier,on the contrary I was beginning to think that CCS is a ship formation or navigation tecnique,anyhow,an assault carrier is a capital ship.[[User:69.223.168.106|69.223.168.106]] 19:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)--Halo3

No, as the fact, i think that CCS actually stands for Covenant Combat Ship. Think about it. If this was a true captiol ship, and one of any importance, then they wouldnt be deployed and destroyed so lightly. It only makes sence that this would be a mere Combat Ship instead of a ship of any importance.


As for acronyms CPV could stand for Covenant Patrol Vessel
CAR is prolly Covenant Ariel Recon 
As for Capital ship classes i found this from Wikipedia
"In the 20th century, especially in World Wars I and II, typical capital ships would be battleships, battlecruisers, and in WWII, aircraft carriers (though it took until late 1942 for carriers to be universally considered capital ships). All of the above ships were close to 20,000 tons displacement or heavier. Heavy cruisers, despite being important ships, were not considered capital ships."
And dont tell me that "this is in the 26th century" cause we all know that Bungie made the Halo universe ships according to contemporary ship classes, since A "CCS class" battle cruiser would be deemed important enough for keeping Keyes in, i wouldnt go too far in saying that CCS does in fact stand for Covenant Capital Ship? Further reinforcement being, if u watch the "heretic" cutscene in Halo 2 IT only shows CCS's in orbit above 04, nothing says it cant be, but, there is evidence suggesting the acronym is accurate--[[User:CHr0n0sPh3r3|CHr0n0sPh3r3]] 12:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)cHr0n0sPh3r3


Also, in the US Navy, USS stands for United States Ship and in the Royal Navy, HMS stands for His/Her Majesty Ship so I'm guessing CCS stands for Covenant Cruiser Ship. CAR could stand for Covenant Ariel Reconnaissance and CPV could stand for Covenant Patrol Vessel. I'm not sure though.

Person above I agree with you I think that CCS does stand for Covenent capital ship - [[Natcom]]

I think CAR may be Covenant Aggressive Reconesaince. Gunnery sergeant [[User talk:Maiar|Maiar]] 09:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== i have a screenshot for this article ==

[[File:Halo Combat Evolved - Control Room.jpg]]

== Screenshot for the outside of the cruiser. ==
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l148/megatron6543/8502880-Full.jpg


why are loyalist Cruisers blue and Separatist cruisers are white in the same light

Yeah its prob just the way to distinguish the two the Brutes recolored their cruisers whilst the Sangheli stuck with their traditional colors[[User:Councilor 'Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] 04:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== mass effect similarity ==

is it just me or do these ships sort of look like the geth ship from mass effect? [[User:Sgt. Fenix|Sgt. Fenix]]

:It's just you. These cruisers were designed long before Bioware started Mass Effect. -- '''[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 02:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Battlecruiser? ==

In the first sentence, is it really necessary to have a link to an actual Navy Battlecruiser in Wikipedia? [[User:Lovemuffin|'''<span style="font-family: comic sans ms; font-size: large"><font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin</font></span>''']]<sup>[[UserWiki:Lovemuffin|<span style="font-family: comic sans ms; font-size: largest"><font color="DarkSlateGray">Wiki Userpage</font></span>]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Lovemuffin|<span style="font-family: cursive; font-size: larger"><font color="DimGray">Talk Page</font></span>]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Editcount/Lovemuffin|<font color="Navy">Edit Count</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lovemuffin|<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: larger"><font color="black">Contributions</font></span>]]</sub>[[Image:Dancing_master_chief.gif|35px]] 19:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:No, with that logic, we should link to a wikipedia article on rifles for the plasma rifle. Removed the link. I also removed the believed 7 reference in the trivia section as it was just grasping at straws. [[User:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 13:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

==Halo Wars?==

When does a Battlecruiser appear in "Arcadia City?" [[User talk:Metalingus627|Metalingus627]] 01:36, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Sadly, it doesn't. Two are only mentioned in the preceding cutscene when Serina updates Cutter on the invasion.[[Special:Contributions/71.192.134.75|71.192.134.75]] 01:45, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

== Armament problems ==

It is said that the CCS-class has 'Plasma torpedo launchers'. However, plasma torpedoes are fired by plasma turrets (which incidentally are capable of other modes of firing). I believe there should be an increase in consistency between the specs of all the Covenant ships.

Edit: I am changing ''[[Plasma torpedo]] launcher'' to ''[[Plasma turrets]]'' whenever I come across it. [[User talk:AlexB1001|AlexB1001]] 11:50, 7 December 2010 (EST)

== Different ships? ==

The ''Halo Encyclopedia'' uses the cruiser type featured in ''Halo 3'' to represent a [[Covenant light cruiser]], and a ''Halo 2'' cruiser to represent the ''CCS-class battlecruiser''. Could this be a legitimate reason for the different colour scheme and design between the ''Halo 2'' and ''3'' cruisers? Or could this just be dismissed as a placeholder? Further - do the two cruisers that fly over you in ''Halo 3'' look a kilometer and a half long? -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 11:22, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

:According to [http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/1280.html?display=capitalshipscale Loftus' scale comparison chart], the ''Halo 3''-style cruiser (labeled ''Triumphant Declaration'') is the exact same size as the ''Combat Evolved'' one. On another note, was there ever a 3D model of a cruiser in ''Halo 2''? All I can remember are some background sprites but no actual up-to-scale model. And I'd take everything from the Encyclopedia with a grain of salt, considering the overall amount of errors and mislabeled images. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 11:56, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

::No 3D model - just a paper cutout flying around in cutscenes, though as a properly-scaled piece (same shape as the ''Truth and Reconciliation'').-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:08, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

==Scarabs?==

In ODST on the highway level, buck says that the scarabs probably dropped off of one of the cruisers, should we add the scarab to the complement section in the template? --[[User talk:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 11:23, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

:''"probably"''. What he thinks ''might'' not be true.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:58, 30 July 2012 (EDT)