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| == should it be included? == | | [[User talk:OniLink|OniLink]] 18:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)== should it be included? == |
| File:Kelly Spartan087.jpg|thumb|it is fan art but would really liven up the dull article. -- [[User:Swearingmonk]] 21:58, 22 December 2006]]
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| damn thats good, although Kelly did not have Grey hair --[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 02:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | | damn thats good, although Kelly did not have Grey hair --[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 02:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC) |
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| :Agreed, it makes her look like an old granny. -[[User:ED|ED]] 21:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC) | | :Agreed, it makes her look like an old granny. -[[User:ED|ED]] 21:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| Image:Kelly-087.jpg|thumb|Kelly with her true blue hair. | | The MC and Kelly are not lovers. More likely the author of the article was a horny pre-pubescent dude who wanted to fantasize about the Master Chief having sex with someone. Sick bastard.--[[User:Ecko87|Ecko87]] 19:03, 13 March 2007 |
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| | [[Image:Kelly-087.jpg|thumb|Kelly with her true blue hair.]] |
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| How bout this one I posted? I think its a lot better. It shows her with the blue hair she is supposed to have. | | How bout this one I posted? I think its a lot better. It shows her with the blue hair she is supposed to have. |
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| She only had blue hair when she first arrived on reach because she'd dyed it, she has brown hair, which is usually very short anyway. | | She only had blue hair when she first arrived on reach because she'd dyed it, she has brown hair, which is usually very short anyway. |
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| Kelly had shorter hair (I thought), and it later was dark. (Dark eyes, dark hair) [[User:GenralMajors|GenralMajors]] | | Kelly had shorter hair (I thought), and it later was dark. (Dark eyes, dark hair) [[User:GenralMajors|GenralMajors]] |
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| == References == | | == John-117 and Kelly-087...lovers? == |
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| I've added a load of references from First Strike - I thought it easier to have too many and remove them rather than have too few and trying to find them --[[User:Johnmcl7|Johnmcl7]] 04:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
| | who really knows about the cheif's night life. like in the Fall of Reach its stated one of his augments supresses his sex drive. Maybe they are lovers because there are several incidents in Fall of Reach were the cheif seems attracted to Kelly and her to him, also he seems very protective of her too so they might be because no one has dived into the Spartans lives that deep |
| :Ok. Please remember to remove the FOF tags when you cite sources, too. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 22:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
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| | haha,seriously,i'm in love with kelly,ha. she's amazing, i think that she's the best spartan,and what she says and how she says it,i guess i like her cause she expresses the most emotion.but naw,i don't think so dude. |
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| In this article, it says that inthe trailer you see them wearing naval uniforms... when in the trailer is this?
| | so if a spartan 1's offspring is called a spartan 1.1,do you guys(and gals) think that a spartan 2' offspring would be called a spartan 2.1? |
| | im not pointing any fingers to any spartan 2's or anything but what if it would realy happen if John found Chief Medez, Dr. Halsey, the Spartan III and the remaining Spartan IIs do you think they will get married when they get back to earth and have children? |
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| :Right at the start. -[[User:Azathoth|The Dark Lord Azathoth]] 01:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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| To be honest, the whole introduction sounds like a rant about the trailer. I'm cutting it down - the speculation might need its own section. '''Honour Light Your Way - '''File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 03:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
| | :I doubt it. I think that all the Spartans love each other, but the kinship kind with no sexuality involved. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 23:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| This trailer was one of the first Halo 3 trailers i had seen, i had an idea that it might be spartan 117 and maybe another spartan while beeing trained on planet Reach, but this was an idea because i had just read some of the Halo novels. when at the start are they wearing naval uniforms?, or is it just what they are wearing when talking at the beginning? ...--[[User:78.150.170.23|78.150.170.23]] 18:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
| | you might be right but we dont really know you have a point about the kinship but just to put it out there if the chief has never done it hes like 30 something id hate to be a virgin at that old but who knows |
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| == Spartans too slow? == | | :MC isn't really free, though. He is a brainwashed prisoner of the UNSC, and can barely remember his old life. With the removal of his sexual desire alongside the strict Spartan training, he would probably see no gain out of engaging in sexual relations. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 23:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| CPO Mendez mentions in the training facility on Reach [The Fall Of Reach: Page 71] that the Spartans could move in bursts of 55 kph, he also thought they could get faster as they adjusted to their alterations. Now i know running at 60kph is fast by human standards but it seems to me that this speed is too slow when in their Mjolnir armour [If it was the weight then surely reaction speed would be affected too]? Why would they only get a 5kph speed increase from the Mjolnir armour[surely it should AT LEAST double giving them a 120kmph speed]when every other aspect is increased several fold?
| | yeah maybe you have a good point, maybe thats why Dr. Hasley wants to gather all the remaining Spartans together and "save them" like at the middle to the far end of ghosts she keeps talking about the rift and it being a fallout shelter(kurt or she says it i cant remember) Also when does Ghosts of coral come out? |
| | :The Spartans are a family. When you grow up with someone and spend your whole life living with them, the ''last'' thing you will feel toward them is sexual attraction. Believe it. -[[User:ED|ED]] 03:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC) |
| | ::Agree. Also, Ghosts of Coral was GoO's name before it was named Ghosts of Onyx. Respect them Grunts, --[[User:Mouse among men|Mouse]] [[Image:Heroic.jpg|30px]] [[User talk:Mouse among men|<sup>Squeak to meh.</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Mouse among men|<sub>See where I've eaten cheese.</sub>]] |
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| That was ''without'' the armour. Think about the added weight and effort required to move the armour, and and you probably have a much smaller figure. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 19:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
| | all good anwsers and we should fix this article and state only true info not some thing someone wished the MC has done |
| | :Yes, that's why the article is tagged for factorfiction. -[[User:ED|ED]] 22:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC) |
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| I don't think so. They wouldn't experience the weight of the armour due to the gel layer and the fact they don't move it like a knight would move his armour. I think its a mistake by the author. [[User talk:Classius|Classius]] 22:05, June 24, 2010 (UTC) | | I think that many text clues in [[Fall of Reach]] show some sort of unusually close friendship between Master Chief and Kelly as well as Master Chief being very protective of her. I think some sort of romantic attraction does exist between the two, although it isn't very developed since Master Chief and Kelly have physical augmentations dulling their sexual attraction and also just didn't have the normal psychological environment that helps develop romantic capacities as they were raised in a military setting. However, since both of them are now isolated from the UNSC (Kelly in Shield World and Chief lost in space) and have time to ponder their lives, it is reasonably possible that a mature romantic relationship will eventually be developed between the two should they reunite again (hopefully the planet Chief is drifting towards is Shield World). |
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| :: I would have to agree the Spartan's hardly even noticed the armor once it was one "Another skin" i believe they could go faster but the suit was not meant for that kind of speed. I think the sprint option in reach was a cheap lazy way of expressing spartans could go faster just the suit did not allow them to, trade speed for strength.--[[User talk:RussellofSwinhart|RussellofSwinhart]] 15:18, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
| | I agree With The Above Poster But let's keep this article clean of that kind of stuff for now. I do not think that John and Kelly have a romantic realtionship however I belive that Master Chief has slightly mre affetions for her than the other Spartans |
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| | The reason Master Chief likes her more than the other spartans is because they worked together more often, they're the only remaining members of the original blue team so it's understandable that he'd be protective of her, he's responsible for the safety of his teammates and he's lost two out of blue team already (Sam and Kurt), not to mention most of the other spartan IIs. |
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| Well there has to be a way out since it was made to protect whoever is in it from the activation of the halos since none outside it will survive the activation of the rings [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]] 16:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
| | '''''A'''ll'' good answers, but what you’re missing is this: The Spartans were never taught to ''truly'' love (that we know of). They just feel loss when one of their comrades dies and happiness when they win. If their parents taught them anything about emotions, it has been lost. They were brainwashed, and all emotion was cast aside. I say, Dr. Hasley did the right thing to save humanity, but she failed when she never taught them the essentials of ''civilian'' life. After the "Great War," I don't see how any Spartans can fit into normal life. [[User: Heroic Wolf|Heroic Wolf]] is right. Some sort of romantic attraction ''does'' exist, but it isn't well developed, due to both their teachings, and the environment in which they live. Also, for the record of it, '''you don't need sex in a loving relationship.''' |
| | This is [[User:GenralMajors|Spartan Andy-012]] signing off, asking for others to reply, and saying John and Kelly are in love. |
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| Wondering if the current image placed, Ghosts of Onyx's cover, is suitable to represent Kelly at all, since the Spartan shown in that image is more likely to be Kurt than her. Then again, this can be minor, since both Spartans appeared in Onyx, and as Spartans in general, showing them in their armor would suffice. Opinions? Area Sierra 18:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
| | I'd like to point out something to the users that are saying that all Spartans have supressed sexaul drives. I recently re-read the book and if you look at the formatting of the text. It lists a suppressed sexual drive as one of the '''possible''' => side affects. So some Spartans may not have a suppressed sexual drive. And as said sex is not needed for a loving relationship. I believe that there is some romantic feelings in there, but because of the enviroment they were raised and educated in they have no idea how to deal with them. -[[User:OniLink]] |
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| *Why the hell would it be Kurt? Kurt didn't wear his Mark V armor he wore his SPI armor in the Battle of Onyx. Blue team had Mark VI.--[[User talk:Caboose's Brother|Caboose's Brother]] 20:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
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| ==Wrong pic== | | I've added a load of references from First Strike - I thought it easier to have too many and remove them rather than have too few and trying to find them --[[User:Johnmcl7|Johnmcl7]] 04:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC) |
| | :Ok. Please remember to remove the FOF tags when you cite sources, too. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 22:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| I was reading ghost of onyx and it said that fred got a gauntlet upgrade(well not gauntlet) but kelly got a helmet upgrade now on the cover of ghost of onyx the one is the front crouching is kurt but i believe the one in the background is kelly and the one in the front is fred because fred had tactital leadership on onyx(well except for kurt)and fred got the gauntlet upgraded not his helmet
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| Maybe Eric forgot about that. Anyway, the one on the left is Kelly, because she got kidnapped by Dr Halsey before she returned to Earth to receive the Mark VI, which is what Fred, the one in the back, is wearing. Anyway, the one with the Mark V helmet has an MA5K, which she used cuz she didn't have any weapons when she was kidnapped. Fred, however, used his MA5B, which he was using at Earth. —[[User:Arbiter116|Arbiter116]]
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| Wha? But Kelly was known to show the most emotion! And the book also says that she is usually in a leaping position at ready. So doesn't that mean that Kelly is on the back? Also Fred has the leadership of the team, so he is the one on the left giving hand signs. Now Kurt didn't want to use the MJOLNIR and instead used SPI, so he is at the right crouching. BTW, if Kelly received the Mark VI, why would she switch armors with Fred? (This was all a reply to Arbiter116) --[[User talk:Ultra Force|Ultra Force]] 03:41, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
| | :Right at the start. -[[User:Azathoth|The Dark Lord Azathoth]] 01:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| * Please enlighten me about where in that post Arbiter116 said anything what-so-ever about Kelly switching armor? I'm pretty sure that all Spartans have the ability to lean forward.--[[User talk:Caboose's Brother|Caboose's Brother]] 20:54, 16 February 2011 (EST)
| | To be honest, the whole introduction sounds like a rant about the trailer. I'm cutting it down - the speculation might need its own section. '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 03:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| | This trailer was one of the first Halo 3 trailers i had seen, i had an idea that it might be spartan 117 and maybe another spartan while beeing trained on planet Reach, but this was an idea because i had just read some of the Halo novels. when at the start are they wearing naval uniforms?, or is it just what they are wearing when talking at the beginning? ...--[[User:78.150.170.23|78.150.170.23]] 18:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC) |
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| Guys, (and girls :p) i think a lot of people overlook this one sentence "She made an ancient and arcane gesture at the machine with one fingure" ~ Ghosts of Onyx, page 261. AKA isn't she the only spartan to flip off an enemy? This should atleast go in trivia, or so I believe [[User talk:Smaned117|Smaned117]] 05:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
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| | CPO Mendez mentions in the training facility on Reach [The Fall Of Reach: Page 71] that the Spartans could move in bursts of 55 kph, he also thought they could get faster as they adjusted to their alterations. Now i know running at 60kph is fast by human standards but it seems to me that this speed is too slow when in their Mjolnir armour [If it was the weight then surely reaction speed would be affected too]? Why would they only get a 5kph speed increase from the Mjolnir armour[surely it should AT LEAST double giving them a 120kmph speed]when every other aspect is increased several fold? |
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| I have an issue regarding two pictures recently added to this article and I'll cover them here.
| | That was ''without'' the armour. Think about the added weight and effort required to move the armour, and and you probably have a much smaller figure. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 19:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC) |
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| [[File:Kelly Legends.jpg|200px|left|thumb|Picture 1: New main image]]'''1.''' <s>Has it been confirmed that the woman in the picture is really meant to be Kelly? I haven't seen The Package myself, and the article doesn't say but given the speed at which the main image was replaced, I'm a little confused.</s>(This issue has been settled below, it's Kelly.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']])
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| | Can Kelly and everyone else get out of the sphere please let me know? |
| '''2.''' Yesterday I posted up this picture under the Trivia section, because it felt appropiate seeing as it has already been widely speculated that the girl is Kelly, and posting the picture would be appropiate if it really was a possible interpretation of the image. However, soon after User:-Ascension- removed it, later telling me that he felt it would cycle in too much speculation into the article. While that is a good reason of his, and Ascension had been around far longer than I haave on this wiki, I have decided to extend the issue to here as I can not rely solely on the judgement of one person.
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| I do think that this picture should be added, because we want this wiki to as complete as possible and thus further recognization of the issue is welcome. Also, I do not believe that the picture will create more speculation, as that one sentence under the Trivia has never expanded to more than that and so adding an image to further flesh out the issue will not change much.
| | Well there has to be a way out since it was made to protect whoever is in it from the activation of the halos since none outside it will survive the activation of the rings [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]] 16:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC) |
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| Please give this poor fellow a hand and answer back! I'll greatly appreciate it. Thank you.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 06:08, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
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| :1. Yes, the female spartan in the Package is Kelly.
| | Somebody just put up that John has more Affection towards Cortana!?!? What the Hell? I just made it so it said Cortana instead of cortana just if you wondering why it says something about me making an edit(even check the history). I don't think John Wants to have Sex with a Computer! Weird Bum who made that up. |
| :2. There are lots of female Spartans. Why do you assume that girl's Kelly in particular? And how do we know she's even a Spartan? It might be a flashback from before John was conscripted. Again, it's just speculation and unless it has facts to back it up, its place really isn't in a wiki. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 06:22, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
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| It’s been confirmed that the Spartan is Kelly? Canonically? I’ll take your word for it then.
| | sex isnt needed in every relationship. if cortana and chief do like eachother, i think it'd be platonic love not the other type kid. |
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| Speculation of articles is generally discouraged but go to the Starry Night talk page and see how many people are support of the John-Kelly theory. I’m not saying that it’s true, that probably is not ever going to be answered, but it’s a significant enough issue that it deserves to be mentioned. It is the same with the picture, it’s only to give a further pointer as to what all the controversy is about. If we are to take down the picture on the basis of it being speculation, then we should probably take down the Trivia sentence as well. It’s either all or nothing, I feel.
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| Is there an admin around who can help out? Since not many people are likely to respond to this, an offical word would be nice. but honestly, I feel like this is actually a really small issue that I just got a little too flared about because it was taken down based on a relatively vague rule that has been fudged plenty in the past.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 06:20, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
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| :The Package spartan is confirmed to be Kelly. It's said in the episode, and in the "Package Sketchbook" on Waypoint. Also, is there anything at all to support the assumption that the girl in Starry Night would be Kelly? I removed the trivia bit from the article; because i don't see any facts to back it up.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 07:11, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
| | I say that it's like Chief's affection towards Dr. Hasley. (weird... Cortana is an AI baised off of Hasley's mind) It's more of a mother-son type relation. [[User:GenralMajors|GenralMajors]] |
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| ::1. Master Chief appears to be having a vision of some sort while lying unconscious. The most likely idea is that it is a flashback, as the boy is reminiscient of his personality then and the sky above is that of another planet.
| | Wondering if the current image placed, Ghosts of Onyx's cover, is suitable to represent Kelly at all, since the Spartan shown in that image is more likely to be Kurt than her. Then again, this can be minor, since both Spartans appeared in Onyx, and as Spartans in general, showing them in their armor would suffice. Opinions? Area Sierra 18:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| ::2. Kelly is the Spartan who has been closest to Master Chief since the beginning, being on the same team in training, their mission together, etc. John has neve been as close to any of the other girl Spartans like Linda and has generally getting to close with people. However, Kelly is an exception and this sort of scene depicted seems like a very likely event to happen between the two, since he trusts her the most.
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| ::3. When the directors of the commercial were asked whther the boy and the girl were John and Kelly(again, it was the first thing that came to everyone’s mind), while they stopped short of giving a concrete answer, they acknowledged that it was a very feasible possiblity.
| | I was reading ghost of onyx and it said that fred got a gauntlet upgrade(well not gauntlet) but kelly got a helmet upgrade now on the cover of ghost of onyx the one is the front crouching is kurt but i believe the one in the background is kelly and the one in the front is fred because fred had tactital leadership on onyx(well except for kurt)and fred got the gauntlet upgraded not his helmet |
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| Yes, it is true that there has been no true confirmation of it being her. But even though nothing has been said, putting back the sentence and the picture would not be in violation of the speculation guidelines. Here’s an example: the Legendary Planet page has several theories posted on it about an issue that likely could be left forever unresolved, but it is not considered in violation of speculation because:
| | Maybe Eric forgot about that. Anyway, the one on the left is Kelly, because she got kidnapped by Dr Halsey before she returned to Earth to receive the Mark VI, which is what Fred, the one in the back, is wearing. Anyway, the one with the Mark V helmet has an MA5K, which she used cuz she didn't have any weapons when she was kidnapped. Fred, however, used his MA5B, which he was using at Earth. —[[User:Arbiter116|Arbiter116]] |
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| ::1. Everyone has theories about which planet it is. Speculation about it is always going to abound so it should be noted.
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| | Who do you think would win? Kelly is faster, but Linda is stronger. I think they would annihilate each other, personally. :P --[[User:Lord Lycan|Lord Lycan]] 01:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| Now just replace every instance of “planet” with “Kelly” and you get the basic idea. So it’s not violation of the speculation protocol but rather just notating a important issue.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 05:18, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
| | ::Why would they be fighting in the first place? These kinds of questions are absurd, positing virtually impossible scenarios with equally unlikely outcomes. Besides, we all know Fred would knife them both in the back <_< -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 10:19, November 29, 2009 (UTC) |
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| :::I must say Tucker, you prove some very good points. I'm in favor of adding this little dose of speculation, for the numerous reasons above, but just not to get ''too'' speculative. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 18:53, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::It has been established that the children at the start are there ''"for your interpretation."'' That being said, there is no definite answer to who they are. For more, [http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=9321343 read this].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:18, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
| | Guys, (and girls :p) i think a lot of people overlook this one sentence "She made an ancient and arcane gesture at the machine with one fingure" ~ Ghosts of Onyx, page 261. AKA isn't she the only spartan to flip off an enemy? This should atleast go in trivia, or so I believe [[User talk:Smaned117|Smaned117]] 05:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| I have read the article, Subtank but while they do stop short of a true answer, they do acknowledge that it is a possiblity. The points above are my defense again. Oh, and Halo-343, if you are in favor it being restored, could you please return it and the picture? i don't have the time to, no inter-web acess mostly, i'd greatly appreciate it.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 21:01, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
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| :It is a possibility but that's the main reason why they made the trailer that way.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:36, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Okay before I begin, it's spelled "Subtank", and my name is "Halo-343". Well, I don't think there is a green light to restore it right now, unless Subtank changes her mind. Leave it for the Talk Page for now I'd say, to be safe. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 00:33, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::If we apply the rule of common sense here, you will understand why this fails and Subbles is right. The developers of the commercial said it is up to the viewers' interpretation and who are we to argue with that? Watch the Developer's analysis of Starry Night.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:46, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
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| Yes, as I said above the trailer is up for interpreation but so is the Legendary Planet, yet nobody seems to mind all the speculation there. My point is simply that it can be pointed toward a particular object or individual based on information from both clips, then it must noted here. But only under Trivia as before, to avoid overt speculation. [[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 19:55, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
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| Sorry that it's been so long since I've last responded but I do want to get this issue settled. My above reasons are stated and that trivia bit had been in the article for such a long time that it seems a little over zealous to take it out. I'd like to take a vote to decide whether we should put it back. Would that be alright, guys?[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 00:13, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Um... ==
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| That SPARTAN has red hair, are you sure that's is Kelly, because in the fall of reach, Linda was described to have blood red hair and emerald eyes... that looks aloooot like how I'd picture Linda... just a thought.
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| [[User talk:Lauren Spartan177|Lauren Spartan177]] 22:03, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
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| :Her hair looks red at some parts, but is brunette. And it's '''''definitely''''' Kelly, seeing as she's referred to by that name several times during the short and promotional material. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 22:37, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
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| == Yep ==
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| I watched The Package a few moments ago, --[[User talk:Lauren Spartan177|Lauren Spartan177]] 20:14, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
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| :Good for you. Was there anything else? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 20:10, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::She was confirming the above - that the female SPARTAN-II shown in that photo is indeed Kelly. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:11, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::Thanks for confirming for me, Lauren. I've also just watched The Package myself and I have no more doubts now about who it is.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 00:13, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Mistake in the Halo Encyclopedia about Kelly's Service Tag ==
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| At page 249 there is a mistake saying Kelly-058 and thats [[Linda-058]]'s Service Tag when Kelly is always refered to as [[Kelly-087]]. --[[User talk:Cally99117|Cally99117]] 16:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==5'10==
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| I have removed this. No reference was cited. Attention Guests, please don't put fan-fiction into articles. --[[User talk:Kluutak|Kluutak]] 01:48, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| That's tiny for a Spartan. Like that's as tall as me. Although if my memory is correct it says somewhere that Kelly is a head shorter than John. --[[User talk:OniLink|OniLink]] 02:10, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| == That Might Not Be EVA ==
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| Kelly's helmet looks very similar to (but slightly more pronounced than) Halo: Reach's Pilot variant. Well, it's closer than both versions of the two EVA helmets we've seen so far. Go take a look.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 18:42, 10 November 2010 (EST)
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| :This might not be the correct place to point out that distinction. :P
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| :I do see an obvious similarity. Let's fix it, shall we. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:26, 10 November 2010 (EST)
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| == Installation 04 ==
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| There isn't a single mention how she ended up joining John, Whitcomb and others in First Strike, If I recall correctly from the book, she was found in an ejected Cryo-pod from ''The Pillar Of Autumn''. Am I the only one that noticed this? This takes place before going to Reach but after the explosion of Alpha Halo.
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| :That was Linda, not Kelly. Linda and John were the only Spartans on the Autumn when it escaped to Installation 04. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 02:56, 22 December 2010 (EST)
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| She was with Fred and Halsey in that tunnel thing with the Crystal.--[[User talk:Caboose's Brother|Caboose's Brother]] 20:59, 16 February 2011 (EST)
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| ==Forward Unto Dawn==
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| Since Fred and Kelly are confirmed for Forward Unto Dawn. Should the character profile picture be updated to a live action picture once an appropriate screen capture becomes available?{{Unsigned|Manwiththegun}}
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| :Doubt it. The pictures we have are of ''The Package'', while FuD occurs before it. Ideally, the images shown should be the latest chronologically.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 01:49, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
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| Recentness versus detail. On [[Activation Index]] we chose to use the less recent image because it shows more detail. Now, a live action photo compared to a (canon-loose) CGI cartoon... [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 02:07, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
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| ::I vote for her live action appearance.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 07:31, 7 October 2012 (EDT)
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| :::I agree with live-action also, if it's a good image. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 09:14, 7 October 2012 (EDT)
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| ::::The decision for Activation Index is simply because there is no solid object of the Index itself in Halo 3. Furthermore, it is impossible to get a good shot of the Index in HCEA, hence why the image in the introduction uses one from Halo 2. As for this article, the image in the infobox shall remain the one from the Package since it is considered the most recent image in canon/chronologically.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 10:03, 7 October 2012 (EDT)
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| :::Oh dear, the day has come when my opinions run counter to my own policy!
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| :::But remember with Halsey's page, when we once used an image from ''The Package'' before switching it out for one from ''Homecoming''? The latter image was less canon recent, but we picked it because it was more accurate to Halsey's actual appearance. I would argue the same for this image, especially with the case of Fred, who looks more like his description in the books with ''Forward Unto Dawn'' than in ''The Package''. It's easier to find things that ''aren't'' appearance-enhanced in ''The Package''. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:44, 7 October 2012 (EDT)
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| ==Helmet==
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| I think it's almost safe to assume that the helmet she has is a variant of the Air Assault, given the appearance, and also because she's a girl and the other girl Spartan Kat had Air Assault (you know it's true). The AA was mentioned to have been working for Mark IV, but since we shouldn't post anything without official confirmation, can we at least acknowledge the similarities? They did It on the Fred page with the Mark V[B] armor. <font style="papyrus">[[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<font color="lime">'''Bioniclepluslotr'''</font>]]</font> 08:27, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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| :I'm pretty sure the idea that "we've seen a female SPARTAN in AA before, so this must be AA" doesn't make sense since we've seen plenty of female SPARTANs with regular MK.IV and MK.V helmets. [[User talk:Raven's wing|Raven's wing]] 09:01, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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| ::It sounds like borderline sexism to assume that it's the AA helmet merely because she's female. But Fred's helmet was a distinct likeness of the Mark V(B) helmet, while on the other hand Kelly's helmet appeared to be somewhat of an earlier AA helmet model. I, personally are more concerned over the armour they appear to be wearing. It looks very much like the first generation of the MJOLNIR Mark V armour from Halo: Reach. I want to know why these particular Spartans are wearing armour that will not be developed for another 25 years. But, that's probably a discussion made for another talk page. - TheGutsyChipmunk 09:25, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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| :::Actually, [[Talk:MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor/Mark_IV#Mark_IV|the Mark V in ''Reach'' can also be considered the Mark IV]]. Mark V is simply the Mark IV with a working shielding system. The real question is why there is no consistent external design. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:37, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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| ::::That's artistic license for ya.--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 09:41, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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| The Air Assault helmet wouldn't be introduced until 2535, but I suppose it could be an early prototype. However, I find it hard to look past the plating on her helmet's chin and forehead. Kat's helmet wasn't all the producers repurposed. [[:File:FJ-PARAKnee.png|Do the pieces look familiar?]] --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 14:37, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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| :That's... quite a surprise to see that... repurposed. Perhaps Kelly is related to [https://twitter.com/MartyTheElder/status/238880836995399680 Kneeman]. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 15:05, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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| I say we just re-label the image in question "''Kelly-087, wearing an [[MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/AA variant|Air Assault]] helmet with an unknown attachment.''" or something similar. <br>/-/[[User:Jetscream|<span style="color:#80B0FF">Jetscream</span>]] File:Hannah-022.jpg|14px]] ([[User talk:Jetscream|<span style="color:#FF0000">Officer's Mess</span>]]) 18:42, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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| :No, we don't officially know what it is yet. Let's just wait for now. -- TheGutsyChipmunk 02:56, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
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| ::The conclusion I came to as soon as I saw both of them is that Fred and Kelly's suits are the same as Thom and Kat's suits used filming the Reach trailer, just with a few details changed, like the mouth piece, as well as a new paint job. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:11, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
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| :::343i and co failed if fans became confused or arrived at different conclusions. I'm disappointed. -- TheGutsyChipmunk 09:45, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
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| == Date of Birth ==
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| So, Halo Waypoint says she was born in 2510 and that site is basically as official as it gets...so shouldn't her date of birth be changed to that? [[User:TheArb1ter117|TheArb1ter117]] ([[User talk:TheArb1ter117|talk]]) 22:09, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
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| No, Waypoint is wrong. In Halsey's journal Kelly's birthday was first established as being in September, but when her entry was written for Waypoint it said "June 21st, 2511". This contradiction was pointed out to 343 and her birthdate was then adjusted on Waypoint to September 15th, but in the process the year also got changed to 2510. This issue has been brought to Jeff Easterling's attention and he'd acknowledged it is still listed inaccurately on there and said it would be fixed (though that never happened).[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 22:16, September 20, 2019 (EDT)TheEld
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