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*Personally i think that that tube on his chest carrying any manner of explosive seems kind of like a big bullseye. runnning into combat with an explosive on your chest against guys who use mainly superheated plasma as ammo seems really suicidal to me. honestly i think it is more than likely A) a prototype bio-foam administer or B) just extra armor.[[User talk:Zimydoomy|Zimydoomy]] 17:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC) | *Personally i think that that tube on his chest carrying any manner of explosive seems kind of like a big bullseye. runnning into combat with an explosive on your chest against guys who use mainly superheated plasma as ammo seems really suicidal to me. honestly i think it is more than likely A) a prototype bio-foam administer or B) just extra armor.[[User talk:Zimydoomy|Zimydoomy]] 17:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Is he wearing Mark IV or V? If you look at the baseline armor (not the collar/helmet/kneepads, those ARE mark IV for sure), it looks different from the armor worn by the rest of Noble - at least I think so, I may be seeing things | Is he wearing Mark IV or V? If you look at the baseline armor (not the collar/helmet/kneepads, those ARE mark IV for sure), it looks different from the armor worn by the rest of Noble - at least I think so, I may be seeing things.[[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 17:22, 20 December 2010 (EST) | ||
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I still must disagree, as Jorge has obviously seen many more battles than any of the S-IIIs in Noble Team, and would most likely have more experience in leading a team compared to Carter (there is also the issue with what type of armor Carter and Jorge have in comparison with one another). I must agree and assume that most of the combat involving S-IIIs detailed to us in the novels have been situations where they have not yet seen actual combat, and most S-IIIs never do and live to tell the tale. As they are deployed en masse and brutally slaughtered for small militaristic gain (a shipyard could have been more efficiently removed by a smaller team of S-IIIs, leaving the other two hundred plus spartans to fight another day for better, more efficient goals). -[[User:Kurt - O51|'''<span style="color:lilac">Kurt A.</span>''']] 2:57, January 24, 2010 (UTC) | I still must disagree, as Jorge has obviously seen many more battles than any of the S-IIIs in Noble Team, and would most likely have more experience in leading a team compared to Carter (there is also the issue with what type of armor Carter and Jorge have in comparison with one another). I must agree and assume that most of the combat involving S-IIIs detailed to us in the novels have been situations where they have not yet seen actual combat, and most S-IIIs never do and live to tell the tale. As they are deployed en masse and brutally slaughtered for small militaristic gain (a shipyard could have been more efficiently removed by a smaller team of S-IIIs, leaving the other two hundred plus spartans to fight another day for better, more efficient goals). -[[User:Kurt - O51|'''<span style="color:lilac">Kurt A.</span>''']] 2:57, January 24, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Combat experience is not the same as ''command'' experience. Jorge looks like he can handle heavy firepower, and that's a good skill to have, but just because Carter is younger doesn't mean he's less experienced. The Spartan-III's are sent on missions that even Spartan-II's would deem suicidal - the fact that these S-III's have survived against such odds makes them unique. The effectiveness and achievement of Operation PROMETHEUS is also debatable. A smaller team wuld have taken longer to infiltrate and set the charges - that would have been time the Covenant could have used to find and stop them. Likewise, they were eventually overwhelmed by superior numbers - would a smaller team have really stood that much more of a chance? I agree that sending the Spartans on suicide missions is stupid, but it's also effective - that shipyard could have been churning out dozens of new ships to field against the UNSC every years. Its destruction may have been crucial in the orbital defence of hundreds of colony worlds. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 11:10, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | :Combat experience is not the same as ''command'' experience. Jorge looks like he can handle heavy firepower, and that's a good skill to have, but just because Carter is younger doesn't mean he's less experienced. The Spartan-III's are sent on missions that even Spartan-II's would deem suicidal - the fact that these S-III's have survived against such odds makes them unique. | ||
:The effectiveness and achievement of Operation PROMETHEUS is also debatable. A smaller team wuld have taken longer to infiltrate and set the charges - that would have been time the Covenant could have used to find and stop them. Likewise, they were eventually overwhelmed by superior numbers - would a smaller team have really stood that much more of a chance? I agree that sending the Spartans on suicide missions is stupid, but it's also effective - that shipyard could have been churning out dozens of new ships to field against the UNSC every years. Its destruction may have been crucial in the orbital defence of hundreds of colony worlds. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 11:10, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, but another weapon that would have been crucial to the defense of hundreds of colonies, the Spartan-IIIs, as stated above, they can, and have apparently matured must faster than the Spartan-IIs,. Though we may have to receive the game to see this concretely, the evidence is plainly there. The Spartan-IIIs are not at all in any way, physically or mentally, inferior to the S-IIs, at least with a little battle seasoning. So, if the UNSC had realized this, they could have sent these Spartans to missions where they could learn the ways of battle, yet still serve a vital role. Only at that point could they be sent in smaller task forces to complete suicide missions, if four Spartan-IIIs survived as long as Noble team has, then I'm sure, perhaps at the cost of their own lives, they could destroy a high priority target such as the shipyard of PROMETHEUS. -[[User talk:Kurt - O51|Kurt - O51]] 05:27, March 19, 2010 (UTC) | :Yes, but another weapon that would have been crucial to the defense of hundreds of colonies, the Spartan-IIIs, as stated above, they can, and have apparently matured must faster than the Spartan-IIs,. Though we may have to receive the game to see this concretely, the evidence is plainly there. The Spartan-IIIs are not at all in any way, physically or mentally, inferior to the S-IIs, at least with a little battle seasoning. So, if the UNSC had realized this, they could have sent these Spartans to missions where they could learn the ways of battle, yet still serve a vital role. Only at that point could they be sent in smaller task forces to complete suicide missions, if four Spartan-IIIs survived as long as Noble team has, then I'm sure, perhaps at the cost of their own lives, they could destroy a high priority target such as the shipyard of PROMETHEUS. -[[User talk:Kurt - O51|Kurt - O51]] 05:27, March 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Carter has more Command Experience than Jorge. In a cage fight though I'm gonna have to go with Jorge. Like what's said above, he was picked genetically and all that crap. And replying to the guy five paragraphs above me; you said that PROMETHEUS would have been considered Suicidal for even SPARTAN-IIs. Maybe you're right, but the SPARTAN-IIs would have DEFINITELY taken out more Covenant. I'm talking even if they BOTH had Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor, they would have gotten a higher kill count at LEAST (I mean they would have gotten a higher kill count BEFORE the place exploded, because after that thing exploded, the casualty number would be the same regardless). And the same, if not more people would have survived the explosion. And don't forget on Onyx when Kelly-087 beat the crap out of Holly-G003. | Carter has more Command Experience than Jorge. In a cage fight though I'm gonna have to go with Jorge. Like what's said above, he was picked genetically and all that crap. And replying to the guy five paragraphs above me; you said that PROMETHEUS would have been considered Suicidal for even SPARTAN-IIs. Maybe you're right, but the SPARTAN-IIs would have DEFINITELY taken out more Covenant. I'm talking even if they BOTH had Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor, they would have gotten a higher kill count at LEAST (I mean they would have gotten a higher kill count BEFORE the place exploded, because after that thing exploded, the casualty number would be the same regardless). And the same, if not more people would have survived the explosion. And don't forget on Onyx when Kelly-087 beat the crap out of Holly-G003. | ||
*And about their armor. If ONI thought that the SPARTAN-IIIs were as good as the SPARTAN-IIs then they would have given the SPARTAN-IIIs MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor. Or, they would have given the SPARTAN-IIs Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor. Another thing about their armor. It just isn't as good as the SPARTAN-IIs'. It has Energy Shields, and only the Headhunters and Noble Team have shields, and even the headhunters' have to share their shield energy with something else. If I remember correctly, the Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor doesn't make the user stronger or faster in any way, probably explaining why Kelly-087 beat Holly-G003 up so easily. The Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor is made of weaker things than even the MJOLNIR Mark IV and is less durable. And it's missing the MOST IMPORTANT thing; the ability to carry a Starship Grade Artificial Intelligence. | *And about their armor. If ONI thought that the SPARTAN-IIIs were as good as the SPARTAN-IIs then they would have given the SPARTAN-IIIs MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor. Or, they would have given the SPARTAN-IIs Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor. Another thing about their armor. It just isn't as good as the SPARTAN-IIs'. It has Energy Shields, and only the Headhunters and Noble Team have shields, and even the headhunters' have to share their shield energy with something else. If I remember correctly, the Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor doesn't make the user stronger or faster in any way, probably explaining why Kelly-087 beat Holly-G003 up so easily. The Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor is made of weaker things than even the MJOLNIR Mark IV and is less durable. And it's missing the MOST IMPORTANT thing; the ability to carry a Starship Grade Artificial Intelligence. | ||
*But all in all, in a cage match, no armor, the winner would probably be a SPARTAN-II (although I think there is a good chance that the SPARTAN-III might). But that doesn't mean that she (purposefully didn't put 'he' there, just because it could be any gender) would be walking walking out of the cage happily and jolly. 1st off, there wouldn't be a 'cage' left! The steel bars would have been broken and used as weapons in some point in the battle. And, she would be pretty messed up. Broken bones, bleeding, DEFINITELY unconscious, and more. Face it, if you would put a SPARTAN-II and and a SPARTAN-III who were ''similar'' to each other in a cage match the SPARTAN-II would | *But all in all, in a cage match, no armor, the winner would probably be a SPARTAN-II (although I think there is a good chance that the SPARTAN-III might). But that doesn't mean that she (purposefully didn't put 'he' there, just because it could be any gender) would be walking walking out of the cage happily and jolly. 1st off, there wouldn't be a 'cage' left! The steel bars would have been broken and used as weapons in some point in the battle. And, she would be pretty messed up. Broken bones, bleeding, DEFINITELY unconscious, and more. Face it, if you would put a SPARTAN-II and and a SPARTAN-III who were ''similar'' to each other in a cage match the SPARTAN-II would win. But the reason why I but the word ''similar'' is because of this. Every SPARTAN is unique, they are all as unique as SPARTAN-B312 and John-117. They all have their own unique ups and downs. So if you put two SPARTANs in that were different, you would have a COMPLETELY different battle than with similar ones. | ||
*If you would put this into Deadliest Warrior the result would be like this. The SPARTAN-II would win 58 percent of the time (no less than 55, no more than 68) and the SPARTAN-III would win 42 percent of the time. BUT, what that means is that 2 in every 5 times the SPARTAN-III would win. So it is most likely that a SPARTAN-II would be victorious (although that wouldn't be how he/she would feel, read all the injuries I wrote above, then add your own injuries to that list (not really, DON'T EDIT MY POST). But that's a pretty big number, so it is VERY likely that a SPARTAN-III would win (but if they did, they would might die soon after from injuries but most likely just have the injuries I wrote above). | *If you would put this into Deadliest Warrior the result would be like this. The SPARTAN-II would win 58 percent of the time (no less than 55, no more than 68) and the SPARTAN-III would win 42 percent of the time. BUT, what that means is that 2 in every 5 times the SPARTAN-III would win. So it is most likely that a SPARTAN-II would be victorious (although that wouldn't be how he/she would feel, read all the injuries I wrote above, then add your own injuries to that list (not really, DON'T EDIT MY POST). But that's a pretty big number, so it is VERY likely that a SPARTAN-III would win (but if they did, they would might die soon after from injuries but most likely just have the injuries I wrote above). | ||
*But, as we know that SPARTAN-IIs and SPARTAN-IIIs would never fight, that would be hard to simulate. And we simply don't have enough data, the CLOSEST thing we have to combat between SPARTAN-IIs and SPARTAN-IIIs is when Kelly-087 bitch slapped (more like punched, kicked etc.) Holly-G003 soon after Kelly-087 landed on Onyx. | *But, as we know that SPARTAN-IIs and SPARTAN-IIIs would never fight, that would be hard to simulate. And we simply don't have enough data, the CLOSEST thing we have to combat between SPARTAN-IIs and SPARTAN-IIIs is when Kelly-087 bitch slapped (more like punched, kicked etc.) Holly-G003 soon after Kelly-087 landed on Onyx.{{quote|My guess is as good as yours. Well, almost.|[[Cortana]]}} [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 18:47, 20 December 2010 (EST) | ||
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:Actually it has. Why the hell do you care about it? It's not like we actually have any Reach information on it to go by.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 20:55, March 19, 2010 (UTC) | :Actually it has. Why the hell do you care about it? It's not like we actually have any Reach information on it to go by.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 20:55, March 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Remember Forerunner, be civil towards other users in a wiki. They want to know, and so they ask. Just help them and then move on to other stuff. -- [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 16:54, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ::Remember Forerunner, be civil towards other users in a wiki. They want to know, and so they ask. Just help them and then move on to other stuff. --[[File:Invincibilityhud.svg|20px]] [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 16:54, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::: It looks like Jorge is sporting the redesigned [[AIE-486H Heavy Machine Gun]] with the shield removed. and painted a different colour.--[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 01:45, September 1, 2010 (UTC) | ::: It looks like Jorge is sporting the redesigned [[AIE-486H Heavy Machine Gun]] with the shield removed. and painted a different colour.--[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 01:45, September 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:: seriously, where are you getting 14 from. Nylund specifically states in FoR that there were at least 25 S-IIs being briefed. {{unsigned|Psycho60}} | :: seriously, where are you getting 14 from. Nylund specifically states in FoR that there were at least 25 S-IIs being briefed. {{unsigned|Psycho60}} | ||
::: There's a reason why 343 and Eric Nylund are reissuing the books. That count is so out of date now that its nearly impossible to reconcile with the recent canon. Frankly, I don't know if the UNSC knows how many Spartans are out there running around. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | ::: There's a reason why 343 and Eric Nylund are reissuing the books. That count is so out of date now that its nearly impossible to reconcile with the recent canon. Frankly, I don't know if the UNSC knows how many Spartans are out there running around. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Fair enough answer. but now i'm really more curious about 14. seriously, where does that come from? | ::::Fair enough answer. but now i'm really more curious about 14. seriously, where does that come from? | ||
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==Death?== | ==Death?== | ||
During the new "Battle Begins" trailer, at 0:35, Jorge is seen lying facedown on the ground. --[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="font-family: Apple Symbols;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''Turn'''</span> </span><span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''out'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%;">'''the'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Lights,'''</span>]] <span style=font-family: ;"> 03:38, July 30, 2010 (UTC)</span> | During the new "Battle Begins" trailer, at 0:35, Jorge is seen lying facedown on the ground. --[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="font-family: Apple Symbols;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''Turn'''</span> </span><span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''out'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%;">'''the'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Lights,'''</span>]] [[UserWiki:Kurt - O51|<span style=font-family: ;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''on'''</span> <span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''your'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%">'''way'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Out'''</span></span>]]<span style=font-family: ;"> 03:38, July 30, 2010 (UTC)</span> | ||
<span style=font-family: ;">He's not dead he was moving[[User talk:Roberthaha|Roberthaha]] 17:06, July 30, 2010 (UTC)</span> | <span style=font-family: ;">He's not dead he was moving[[User talk:Roberthaha|Roberthaha]] 17:06, July 30, 2010 (UTC)</span> | ||
:I didn't notice that, but now that you point it out, I can see him. As said above, he is moving, but he's lying face-down, and seems to be injured. I don't know whether that's a hint to his fate, but we'll have to wait and see. - | :I didn't notice that, but now that you point it out, I can see him. As said above, he is moving, but he's lying face-down, and seems to be injured. I don't know whether that's a hint to his fate, but we'll have to wait and see. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 17:11, July 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::If he is injured, then what chance does he have against three Field Marshals? --[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="font-family: Apple Symbols;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''Turn'''</span> </span> <span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''out'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%;">'''the'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Lights,'''</span>]] | ::If he is injured, then what chance does he have against three Field Marshals? --[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="font-family: Apple Symbols;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''Turn'''</span> </span> <span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''out'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%;">'''the'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Lights,'''</span>]] [[UserWiki:Kurt - O51|<span style=font-family: ;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''on'''</span> <span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''your'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%">'''way'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Out'''</span>]] 01:51, July 31, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::No Kurt, that was 1 Field Marshall and 2 Zealots. If it were 3 Field marshalls, noble team would have been dead meat. | :::No Kurt, that was 1 Field Marshall and 2 Zealots. If it were 3 Field marshalls, noble team would have been dead meat. [[File:Noblelogo.png|25px|link=http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100506044451/halo/images/c/c7/Noblelogo.png&imgrefurl=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx%3FpostID%3D45947169&usg=__NgCyaMT0rwqrvEAvPTCb4dC6qFM=&h=1922&w=2152&sz=365&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=7PHQZBTJAGopNM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNoble%2BTeam%2BLogo%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_enAU369AU369%26biw%3D1345%26bih%3D498%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=330&vpy=58&dur=1951&hovh=212&hovw=238&tx=79&ty=237&ei=8uh0TJmQBIeEvAP7n8nNBg&oei=w-h0TLmGG5iMvAOTsqXuBQ&esq=4&page=1&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0]] <span style="border: 3px solid Black; -moz-border-radius:10px"><span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px">'''[[User:Phoenix Marathon|<font color="Black">SPARTAN-A110|Phoenix Marathon</font>]]'''</span></span> | ||
::: It just looks like he's ducking to me, possibly to cover someone or something.--[[User talk:Wannabecriminalman|Wannabecriminalman]] 00:55, August 2, 2010 (UTC) | ::: It just looks like he's ducking to me, possibly to cover someone or something.--[[User talk:Wannabecriminalman|Wannabecriminalman]] 00:55, August 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:I've noticed that the Spartans that get pulled away from the main group of them tend to be promoted above the Chief. Guess that's just one-up-manship lol [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Black">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 13:46, August 23, 2010 (UTC) | :I've noticed that the Spartans that get pulled away from the main group of them tend to be promoted above the Chief. Guess that's just one-up-manship lol [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Black">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 13:46, August 23, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::[[John-117]] isn't really that great of soldier in the grand scheme of things. He's just got the most press. [[ | ::[[John-117]] isn't really that great of soldier in the grand scheme of things. He's just got the most press. [[Fredric-104]] is more than likely a better leader, if not a better fighter in general. John's just really lucky, which many people have commented on, mostly [[Cortana]] and [[Dr. Halsey]] --[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 01:31, September 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::Rank doesn't mean that they are a good fighter, they aren't Elites. Kurt was promoted for training the S-IIIs. John-117 is a good soldier, he just isn't that high ranked. Sergeant Johnson was a good soldier, but he's a sergeant.[[User:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:purple">LiLLiPaDDy</span>]] [[User talk:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:blue">~True tears are never seen, only hidden~</span>]] 11:43, September 1, 2010 (UTC) | ::Rank doesn't mean that they are a good fighter, they aren't Elites. Kurt was promoted for training the S-IIIs. John-117 is a good soldier, he just isn't that high ranked. Sergeant Johnson was a good soldier, but he's a sergeant.[[User:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:purple">LiLLiPaDDy</span>]] [[User talk:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:blue">~True tears are never seen, only hidden~</span>]] 11:43, September 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Why not? if I remember correctly, her Journal is part of Halo Cannon just as much as Halo: The Fall of Reach and Halo: Evolutions are. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 19:01, 13 November 2010 (EST)!!!!! | Why not? if I remember correctly, her Journal is part of Halo Cannon just as much as Halo: The Fall of Reach and Halo: Evolutions are. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 19:01, 13 November 2010 (EST)!!!!! | ||
:Of couse it's canon, but it's just not something through which a character can appear. It's a fictional document written as a journal from Halsey's perspective; she writes about Jorge and draws a few sketches - does that mean the actual character makes an appearance in the journal? No, since it is only text even within the ''Halo'' universe. - | :Of couse it's canon, but it's just not something through which a character can appear. It's a fictional document written as a journal from Halsey's perspective; she writes about Jorge and draws a few sketches - does that mean the actual character makes an appearance in the journal? No, since it is only text even within the ''Halo'' universe. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 19:09, 13 November 2010 (EST) | ||