Editing Talk:Jorge-052

==ACCENT==
How do we know he's Spanish like it says in the trivia? [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User_talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 09:26, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

:I got the impression he was Australian. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 09:58, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

He's British, more specifically a Londoner. If pushed I'd say maybe East London. --[[User talk:Sandor051|Sandor051]] 12:47, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
::I used to live in London, and was there a month or two ago. NO ONE SPOKE LIKE THAT. Jorge is either australian or maybe South African, but he is definitely NOT British. [[User talk:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 17:13, December 16, 2009 (UTC)He is british, well english. He talks rather upper class too. I know he is british because i am from britain too..

:::Really, because this Hackney editor sure as hell does recognise the accent.--[[User talk:Sandor051|Sandor051]]
I never stated he was Spanish, I just stated his name pronounced in Spanish is something different from the English pronunciation they use. Of course someone removed it... --[[User talk:SpartansOnFire|Asian Inferno]] 19:04, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

:Because it is irrelevant.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:11, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Explain to me how it is any more or less relevant then any other facet of the knowledge we have about him, without resorting to "because it is/because it has been decided that it is". I've laid out my arguments, and until we know who the voie actor is it should be noted. --[[User talk:Sandor051|Sandor051]] 23:43, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

I think it is important because of the lack of information. And the consensus is that most of the people who view that name would pronounce it the Spanish way and not the English way like the trailer. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge] --[[User talk:SpartansOnFire|Asian Inferno]] 05:49, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

:Nowadays, Spanish is becoming a rather minor language. From where I live, at least. It isn't really worth noting. Also, they pretty much don't pronounce it in spanish since most of the characters and real-life people(on the internet at least) pronounce it the American way.[[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User_talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 08:41, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

People, you seem to be forgetting that this is over 500 years in the future. Etchnicites or nationalities don't apply anymore at least not in the way we know them. There's a lot of time for them to mix up, change, etc. While certain colonies such as Madrigal seem to have a prominent population of certain ethnicity, it doesn't necessarily mean they haven't been mixed up on other worlds such as Earth.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 09:22, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
:Thus why it is irrelevant.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 13:29, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

:"George" could just be the way Carter pronounces it. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 19:22, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Of course nobody realy speaks like that in London- nobody speaks like their sterotype accent- however, he is British- I am certain of it- having lived in London all my life, I think I can do a pretty good guess. Oh and also, Spanish is in NO WAY a minor language- it is used by more people worldwide that both German and French (not put together, or at least I don't think so anyway) and is much more useful that both in the modern world. [[User talk:Ickarus Ravenor|Ickarus Ravenor]] 22:20, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

i don't know what's all the confusion about the pronunciation of his name, you say that Jorge is a spanish name, BUT it is also a portuguese name and the pronunciation in portugueses is very close to the pronunciation of "George" in english, Carter could very well be saying the name in portuguese but it sounded more like george because the voice actor is probably american or british or whatever...[[User talk:Fipas|Fipas]] 21:09, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Kill the fact or release it, but do not waste our time with talk!--[[User talk:Guardians-117|Guardians-117]] 23:39, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Where the hell did people get the Australian thing from? I'm Australia, I live in Australia, that is not an Australian accent--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 10:33, February 25, 2010 (UTC)



you guys do know that Australia was or still is a colony of England that is Why there "Accents" are similiar [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 03:29, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


Australia has a hell of a lot of mixed accents in it... quite often hybrid accents, hell one day mixed accents are probably gonna be considered Australian... [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Black">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 00:32, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

i must agree with adam 148 about the south african thing. this is probably a bad generalization but his skin tone combined with his accent would indicate to me that if nothing else at least one of his parents (up until age 5 or 6) may have been a south african and jorge picked it up.



People are generaly wanting to know if the voice actor has a brittish/south african accent its hard to tel because people do not realise that in london alone there are a number of different accents same goes for south africa. SO untill we know exactly who the voice actor is this will remain unknown. Also, the origin of the character himself and his name is irrelvant to the origin of the voice actor. Who does sound like one of those crappy americans atempting to impersonate a brittish accent (and badly)



Does anyone know his voice actorr yet? because to my ears it sounds similar to Captain Mactavish/Soap, from the Modern Warfare series, and Soap is a British Character and sounds very british, same with Jorge.[[Special:Contributions/94.11.251.178|94.11.251.178]] 22:35, August 18, 2010 (UTC)



Soap is Scottish. Are you thinking of Ghost/Gaz?[[Special:Contributions/188.220.133.147|188.220.133.147]] 19:54, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Welsh; Scottish and English are British. British just means something from the island of Great Britain.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 20:01, August 18, 2010 (UTC)



I did mean Soap this time, (I have made that mistake before though), but at least to my ears, he sounds identical to Soap when he says his one line in the new ViDoc. And as the above postter pointed out, I used British in the sense "from Britain", I'm Welsh and proud and I call everyone from Great Britain british, it just makes things easier.[[Special:Contributions/94.11.251.178|94.11.251.178]] 22:35, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, my apologies. I mistook you for one of those braindead slobs who believe that London is the only city in the UK, and that UK; Britain; British and English are synonymous (to them, Welsh might as well be Klingonese).-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 23:47, August 18, 2010 (UTC)



Of course I know Scotland is in Britain (I'm from England), I just questioned it because he put that Jorge (Southern English) sounds like Soap (Scottish), when Jorge's accent is almost identical to Ghost/Gaz's (also Southern English). [[Special:Contributions/194.81.97.116|194.81.97.116]] 12:55, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well he speaks Russian, and his accent sounds Russian-ish. But he doesn't sound Australian, I live here, and it doesn't, maybe a teansy bit, but but could be british.

The language is actually Hungarian. He's from Reach, and the majority of the people on Reach settled from Eastern Europe. possibly somewhere from there?--[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 20:18, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, my bad, I read somewhere that he spoke Russian. Well, he was born on Reach, so probably Eastern European, but it isn't Australian. [[User:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:purple">LiLLiPaDDy</span>]] [[User talk:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:blue">~True tears are never seen, only hidden~</span>]] 03:10, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

== Armor ==
What do you suppose that tube on the front of his chest is? It probably has something to do with his heay weapons specialty, but I just can't figure it out.[[User talk:Jamminben|Jamminben]] 04:25, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm, I'm trying to think of what other sci-fi characters would put there. Maybe its explosive materials for demolitions. Maybe incendiary fuel? More ammunition, or medical supplies? Could be something to do with his armour, an extra something to make his armour stronger. For the time being, I like to think it's a biscuit tin though, and that he puts cookies in there. It's interesting anyway. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 15:44, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
He reminds me of Heavy Weapons Guy (Team Fortress 2). Maybe he has a Sandvich in there. I'll bet his gun's named Sascha.[[Special:Contributions/67.171.112.92|67.171.112.92]] 09:44, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
::Alertfiend's post made me think it could be a canister of that foam form of C7 or what ever it was Locklear used to blow the Forerunner Crystal apart.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 04:43, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Reminds me of the exo-armor that Maria-062 wore when testing the Mk.VI in the Halo Graphic Novel. It could function somthing similar to it, but thats just my guess. [[User talk:CyanDeadEye|CyanDeadEye]] 19:22, January 20, 2010 (UTC)



psss he obviously has Tooth paste in there [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 03:30, March 24, 2010 (UTC)



i have theories for a few of his unnamed armor components, lets start with tube on his chest, i have 2 theories
*it is explosive material because he is also probably the demolitions specialist as well as the heavy weapons guy (HW and demolitions is often a joint specialty)
*it could be a signal or flare
now for the extra armor plates on his left shoulder
*it could be protection from explosives since he is also probably a demolitions guy
*since he can deal the most damage individually out of noble team it could be extra armor plating because he would be the priority target and that is the side he is pointing at the enemy cuz hes right handed (like all characters in halo)
now for the backpack (not the armors power pack)
*it could be extra ammo
*or more simply, it could be a counterweight cuz that gun must weigh a ton and it would allow him to keep his balance while on the move (that thing must be heavy even for a spartan II) and it will make it easeir for him to aim without spending more energy leveling the damn thing
*note the antennas (u can see them on the side view of jorge in the gallery) so they could be a radio
his helmet thingey
*more EOD protection
*could be a targeting system cuz its a special weapon and its data might not be on the suits weapon databases e.g reticle, ammo count
his wrist thingeys
*EOD protection (what else could it be)[[Special:Contributions/202.156.11.249|202.156.11.249]] 13:14, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
*Personally i think that that tube on his chest carrying any manner of explosive seems kind of like a big bullseye. runnning into combat with an explosive on your chest against guys who use mainly superheated plasma as ammo seems really suicidal to me. honestly i think it is more than likely A) a prototype bio-foam administer or B) just extra armor.[[User talk:Zimydoomy|Zimydoomy]] 17:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Is he wearing Mark IV or V? If you look at the baseline armor (not the collar/helmet/kneepads, those ARE mark IV for sure), it looks different from the armor worn by the rest of Noble - at least I think so, I may be seeing things. EDIT: Nevermind, he's just wearing bulky shin guards.[[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 17:22, 20 December 2010 (EST)

== Command Structure ==

Why is Carter leading Noble team and not Jorge? Is it becuase Carter is the original squad leader and Jorge has just been attached? Then again, Jorge is still a lower rank than Carter. None of this makes sense to me, why would a so called "expendable" Spartan-III be put in command of a superior Spartan-II with advanced training and augmentation? -[[User:Kurt - O51|'''<span style="color:lilac">Kurt A.</span>''']] 16:08, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

*The assumption that IIs are automatically better than IIIs should stop. Expendable was used only in terms of production costs. Additionally, putting the augmentations of the two programs side by side, we see that the IIIs had THE SAME augmentations, and Gamma company had further augmentations. IIIs were trained by Mendez and Kurt, while IIs were trained by Mendez, presumably while he had less experience with the twos. How could this be anything than BETTER than the IIs, except that the IIIs had a significantly shorter training period. We see in "Headhunters" that ONI is capable and willing to put soldiers into several more years of training. Obviously, Carter was something more than "expendable." It would make less sense (in most cases) to put a more valuable soldier under the command of someone less valuable, but this definitely isn't the case. Whatever happened, Carter is now the leader of the squad and has a higher rank. -[[User:ApolloisNaughty]]

**When is it mentioned that the augmentations are the same as the Spartan-II's? I always assumed they were different. I'll go check up Ghosts of Onyx --[[User talk:Necrosis103|Necrosis103]] 17:04, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
**You can do that, or you can check both articles on spartan augmentation. The kicker was that they perfected the process, allowing all 300 of the spartans to survive. Gamma company had some psychological augments. Training was shorter, but it'd be foolish to think it was anything but just as good if not better than what Class 1 of the IIs had. Additionally, if "Headhunters" tells us anything, it tells us ONI is capable and willing to put Spartans through extra months and years of training [[User talk:ApolloisNaughty|ApolloisNaughty]] 19:09, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
***Ah yes, true but it seemed that the S-IIIs only got drug-based augmentations, whereas the S-IIs got plenty of physical augmentations as well, such as the reinforced bones. Do the SIIIs get any physical augmentations? --[[User talk:Necrosis103|Necrosis103]] 16:23, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

::::No such implications of inferiority exist anywhere. The Spartan-III candidates all recieved the [[8942-LQ99|carbide-ceramic ossification]] process, a [[88005-MX77|fibroid muscular protein complex]] to boost muscle density, a [[88947-OP24|retina inversion stabiliser]] to improve night vision, and an ''improved'' [[87556-UD61|colloidal neural disunification solution]] increasing reaction times. And ''then'' you have the mental modifications made to Gamma, which likely don't apply to Noble Team. The S-III's were just younger, and used stupidly by Ackerson and ONI. The actual Spartans themselves are as stong, fast, intelligent and ferocious as any of the II's, and in that last regard perhaps ''more'' so.-- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 22:27, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Doesn't Kurt say when the children that are too become Alpha Company are dropped off won't be like the SII's, in reference to the fact that these Spartans were not genetically ideal like the SII's? Wouldn't that make the SII's better soldiers, if not better leaders or commanders? [[User talk:Psycho60|Psycho60]] 00:13, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
::::::As far as I know, all he meant was that they'd have to compensate for their different genetics with imprved training and augmentation - the SIII's would be different. That still doesn't imply inferiority. -- <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 00:37, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
I still must disagree, as Jorge has obviously seen many more battles than any of the S-IIIs in Noble Team, and would most likely have more experience in leading a team compared to Carter (there is also the issue with what type of armor Carter and Jorge have in comparison with one another). I must agree and assume that most of the combat involving S-IIIs detailed to us in the novels have been situations where they have not yet seen actual combat, and most S-IIIs never do and live to tell the tale. As they are deployed en masse and brutally slaughtered for small militaristic gain (a shipyard could have been more efficiently removed by a smaller team of S-IIIs, leaving the other two hundred plus spartans to fight another day for better, more efficient goals). -[[User:Kurt - O51|'''<span style="color:lilac">Kurt A.</span>''']] 2:57, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

:Combat experience is not the same as ''command'' experience. Jorge looks like he can handle heavy firepower, and that's a good skill to have, but just because Carter is younger doesn't mean he's less experienced. The Spartan-III's are sent on missions that even Spartan-II's would deem suicidal - the fact that these S-III's have survived against such odds makes them unique. The effectiveness and achievement of Operation PROMETHEUS is also debatable. A smaller team wuld have taken longer to infiltrate and set the charges - that would have been time the Covenant could have used to find and stop them. Likewise, they were eventually overwhelmed by superior numbers - would a smaller team have really stood that much more of a chance? I agree that sending the Spartans on suicide missions is stupid, but it's also effective - that shipyard could have been churning out dozens of new ships to field against the UNSC every years. Its destruction may have been crucial in the orbital defence of hundreds of colony worlds. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 11:10, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, but another weapon that would have been crucial to the defense of hundreds of colonies, the Spartan-IIIs, as stated above, they can, and have apparently matured must faster than the Spartan-IIs,. Though we may have to receive the game to see this concretely, the evidence is plainly there. The Spartan-IIIs are not at all in any way, physically or mentally, inferior to the S-IIs, at least with a little battle seasoning. So, if the UNSC had realized this, they could have sent these Spartans to missions where they could learn the ways of battle, yet still serve a vital role. Only at that point could they be sent in smaller task forces to complete suicide missions, if four Spartan-IIIs survived as long as Noble team has, then I'm sure, perhaps at the cost of their own lives, they could destroy a high priority target such as the shipyard of PROMETHEUS. -[[User talk:Kurt - O51|Kurt - O51]] 05:27, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Obviously, I'm a little late to this party, but I thought I may as well throw down my cards while I'm here. The Spartan-IIs and IIIs both recieved the same augmentations and such, meaning that they both should be about as capable as each other. This we know. Something to keep in mind though, the IIIs were not selected. All of the IIs were selected based on strict genetic identifiers. I belive this may be an explanation for Jorge's size. He's naturally bigger and tougher than the others. Something i'm wondering though, how did the IIIs recieve officer ranks? All of the IIs were enlisted (obviously, I mean, they were kidnapped). John-117 is a Master-CPO, and he had multiple decades of command experience. Maybe Ackerson had something to do with it. =/ [[User talk:Hitodama|Hitodama]] 19:10, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Bringing up the rear: Four paragraphs up, the unacknowledged editor makes a valid point. Combat experience is not the same as command experience. Whether or not the SPARTAN-IIs are any better than the SPARTAN-IIIs in combat is irrelevant. Jorge may have been a better and more experienced soldier than Carter, but his forte is heavy weapons usage, whereas Carter presumably lead a team while he was still a member of Alpha Company. So, even if Jorge was a better fighter (which there's no way of knowing, unless they were to, for some reason, duke it out during the Halo: Reach campaign), he wouldn't be as good at leading Noble as Carter would be.[[User talk:Operator 141|Operator 141]] 06:52, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Carter has more Command Experience than Jorge. In a cage fight though I'm gonna have to go with Jorge. Like what's said above, he was picked genetically and all that crap. And replying to the guy five paragraphs above me; you said that PROMETHEUS would have been considered Suicidal for even SPARTAN-IIs. Maybe you're right, but the SPARTAN-IIs would have DEFINITELY taken out more Covenant. I'm talking even if they BOTH had Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor, they would have gotten a higher kill count at LEAST (I mean they would have gotten a higher kill count BEFORE the place exploded, because after that thing exploded, the casualty number would be the same regardless). And the same, if not more people would have survived the explosion.  And don't forget on Onyx when Kelly-087 beat the crap out of Holly-G003.
*And about their armor. If ONI thought that the SPARTAN-IIIs were as good as the SPARTAN-IIs then they would have given the SPARTAN-IIIs MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor. Or, they would have given the SPARTAN-IIs Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor. Another thing about their armor. It just isn't as good as the SPARTAN-IIs'. It has Energy Shields, and only the Headhunters and Noble Team have shields, and even the headhunters' have to share their shield energy with something else.  If I remember correctly, the Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor doesn't make the user stronger or faster in any way, probably explaining why Kelly-087 beat Holly-G003 up so easily.  The  Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor is made of weaker things than even the MJOLNIR Mark IV and is less durable. And it's missing the MOST IMPORTANT thing; the ability to carry a Starship Grade Artificial Intelligence.
*But all in all, in a cage match, no armor, the winner would probably be a SPARTAN-II (although I think there is a good chance that the SPARTAN-III might). But that doesn't mean that she (purposefully didn't put 'he' there, just because it could be any gender) would be walking walking out of the cage happily and jolly. 1st off, there wouldn't be a 'cage' left! The steel bars would have been broken and used as weapons in some point in the battle. And, she would be pretty messed up. Broken bones, bleeding, DEFINITELY unconscious, and more. Face it, if you would put a SPARTAN-II and and a SPARTAN-III who were ''similar'' to each other in a cage match the SPARTAN-II would have a slightly better chance of winning.  But the reason why I but the word ''similar'' is because of this.  Every SPARTAN is unique, they are all as unique as SPARTAN-B312 and John-117. They all have their own unique ups and downs. So if you put two SPARTANs in that were different, you would have a COMPLETELY different battle than with similar ones.
*If you would put this into Deadliest Warrior the result would be like this. The SPARTAN-II would win 58 percent of the time (no less than 55, no more than 68) and the SPARTAN-III would win 42 percent of the time. BUT, what that means is that 2 in every 5 times the SPARTAN-III would win. So it is most likely that a SPARTAN-II would be victorious (although that wouldn't be how he/she would feel, read all the injuries I wrote above, then add your own injuries to that list (not really, DON'T EDIT MY POST). But that's a pretty big number, so it is VERY likely that a SPARTAN-III would win (but if they did, they would might die soon after from injuries but most likely just have the injuries I wrote above).
*But, as we know that SPARTAN-IIs and SPARTAN-IIIs would never fight, that would be hard to simulate. And we simply don't have enough data, the CLOSEST thing we have to combat between SPARTAN-IIs and SPARTAN-IIIs is when Kelly-087 bitch slapped (more like punched, kicked etc.) Holly-G003 soon after Kelly-087 landed on Onyx.
{{Quote|My guess is as good as yours. Well, almost.|[[Cortana]]}}[[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  18:47, 20 December 2010 (EST)


All this S-II v S-III stuff? Irrelevant. Physically, they are identical - Spartan-III's aren't as genetically ideal as their predecessors, but the augmentation and training regimen more than makes up for it. They use an S-II to train them, using his experience from his own training and his combat service, and use improved augmentations to bring them up to par. The S-III's weren't given MJOLNIR simply because of the expense and difficulty of creating each suit - fitting roughly thirty Spartans with MJOLNIR cost the same as building a Naval battlegroup. Three hundred? Six hundred? Nine hundred suits of MJOLNIR? Probably beyond the UNSC's means. In a fight between an S-II and S-III, all things being equal, with or without MJOLNIR the fight would be pretty even, except for age and experience as factors.

I'm getting really tired of people bitching that S-III's are cheap knockoffs. Yes, they were wasted. Yes, they died, when the S-II's had a better track record. But soldiers die, and victories have their cost. Yes, they used mostly SPI and not MJOLNIR, but it's still much better than the gear other combat units use, especially the ODST's. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:56, 21 December 2010 (EST)

== Why no mention of his weapon? ==

So far, the heavy machine gun used by Jorge has yet to be mentioned in Halopedia as an official weapon. Another thing, is it a ripped-off turret or a first-person weapon? Or even a useable weapon at all?--[[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|FluffyEmoPenguin]] 20:42, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

:Actually it has. Why the hell do you care about it? It's not like we actually have any Reach information on it to go by.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 20:55, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

::Remember Forerunner, be civil towards other users in a wiki. They want to know, and so they ask. Just help them and then move on to other stuff. -- [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 16:54, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

::: It looks like Jorge is sporting the redesigned [[AIE-486H Heavy Machine Gun]] with the shield removed. and painted a different colour.--[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 01:45, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

==How?==
Ok just a little confused here and hoping someone can explain this to me bc i cant seem to. Regardless which of the 3 Spartans are missing (Halo War's Red Team, Grey Team, Black Team), it is safe to say that 052 was not among them, meaning he was part of the Spartan mission to capture the Covenant leadership. Therefore, he should be aboard the Pillar when Red Team left to defend the generators. First Strike keeps track of those Spartans and how many die (even if all the KIA arn't mentioned by name). so tell me, how did a S-II get hooked up to Noble?{{unsigned|Psycho60}}



The number of Spartan-IIs out there is very wooly- it's quite possible that no-one will ever know exactly how many Spartan-IIs are around at any given time. But to brass tacks- Jorge could easily have been assigned to Noble Team by NAVCOM- with a wave of their hand, he'd have to do it. And also note that, in Ghosts of Onyx, it's said that "Kurt had always presumed other Spartans were being trained, that he and his fellows were the first in what would be a long line of Spartans." Kurt-051 was the only Spartan-II at the time who was aware of an alternative Spartan program, so it's entirely possible that Jorge and the other Spartan-IIs assume this too. As such, Jorge wouldn't really make a distinction about them- to him, they'd just be the next wave of Spartans (which, in a way, they are). It wouldn't make a difference to him, since Noble is equipped with MJOLNIR, just like him, so no questions asked.[[User talk:Operator 141|Operator 141]] 06:46, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

:yeah but its not so much about how willing he is versus conflict with the numbers in FoR and FS. even with slight descrepency, the numbers given show the Jorge had to have been briefed on the Spartans mission to capture the leadership of the Covenant and also had to have dropped with Red Team. so how was he with Noble when he should have been aboard Autumn{{unsigned|Psycho60}}

::Class-II for god's sake. Take away the members of the 33 who died before Reach and you have around 14. Jorge was with Noble team, not Red or Blue team.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 03:14, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

:: seriously, where are you getting 14 from. Nylund specifically states in FoR that there were at least 25 S-IIs being briefed. {{unsigned|Psycho60}}

::: There's a reason why 343 and Eric Nylund are reissuing the books. That count is so out of date now that its nearly impossible to reconcile with the recent canon. Frankly, I don't know if the UNSC knows how many Spartans are out there running around. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

::::Fair enough answer. but now i'm really more curious about 14. seriously, where does that come from?

:::::It's the number you get when you minus the 3 Red Team SPARTANs; Grey team; Maria; Kurt; Jorge and those who died before 2552 from 33 (I don't count the Homecoming SPARTANS whose existence may very well have just been put down as augmentation-related deaths to hide their disappearances). As there are still around 28 in the Fall of Reach (3 on Gamma Station), it can be assumed that at most 14 of the unnamed SPARTANs are actually class-II replacements.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 18:01, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

::::::Guess that makes sense. I would still try and contend that they weren't class two replacements bc of Halsey's comment of only 3 KIA, but given how many contradictions are in the first books, there really doesn't seem to be a point.

==Death?==

During the new "Battle Begins" trailer, at 0:35, Jorge is seen lying facedown on the ground. --[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="font-family: Apple Symbols;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''Turn'''</span> </span><span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''out'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%;">'''the'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Lights,'''</span>]] <span style=font-family: ;"> 03:38, July 30, 2010 (UTC)</span>

<span style=font-family: ;">He's not dead he was moving[[User talk:Roberthaha|Roberthaha]] 17:06, July 30, 2010 (UTC)</span>

:I didn't notice that, but now that you point it out, I can see him. As said above, he is moving, but he's lying face-down, and seems to be injured. I don't know whether that's a hint to his fate, but we'll have to wait and see. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 17:11, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
::If he is injured, then what chance does he have against three Field Marshals? --[[User:Kurt - O51|<span style="font-family: Apple Symbols;"><span style="color:lightgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''Turn'''</span> </span> <span style="color:darkgrey; font-size: 60%;">'''out'''</span> <span style="color:grey; font-size: 60%;">'''the'''</span> <span style="color:black; font-size: 95%;">'''Lights,'''</span>]]  01:51, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
:::No Kurt, that was 1 Field Marshall and 2 Zealots. If it were 3 Field marshalls, noble team would have been dead meat. [[File:Noblelogo.png|25px|link=http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100506044451/halo/images/c/c7/Noblelogo.png&imgrefurl=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx%3FpostID%3D45947169&usg=__NgCyaMT0rwqrvEAvPTCb4dC6qFM=&h=1922&w=2152&sz=365&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=7PHQZBTJAGopNM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNoble%2BTeam%2BLogo%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ADFA_enAU369AU369%26biw%3D1345%26bih%3D498%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=330&vpy=58&dur=1951&hovh=212&hovw=238&tx=79&ty=237&ei=8uh0TJmQBIeEvAP7n8nNBg&oei=w-h0TLmGG5iMvAOTsqXuBQ&esq=4&page=1&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0]] <span style="border: 3px solid Black; -moz-border-radius:10px"><span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px">'''[[User:Phoenix Marathon|<font color="Black">SPARTAN-A110|Phoenix Marathon</font>]]'''</span></span>
::: It just looks like he's ducking to me, possibly to cover someone or something.--[[User talk:Wannabecriminalman|Wannabecriminalman]] 00:55, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

==Rank==
Has nobody noticed that Jorge's rank, Chief Warrant Officer, puts him higher up in command than Master Chief? In fact, by the battle of Reach, Jorge is the highest ranking Spartan II besides Kurt. So this brings up several questions. How long has Jorge been away from the rest of the S-II class that he's been able to attain this rank? Is the Warrant Officer rank affiliated with the Army (The modern US Navy disbanded their warrant officer program in the 70s. Maybe it persisted to the 2500s and the Army is the only one that has it)? It's an interesting situation.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 13:33, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

:Jorge is navy, like all SPARTAN-IIs. The UNSC Navy obviously uses the warrant officer program. Not all of it is a duplicate of the US military, you know.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 17:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

:I've noticed that the Spartans that get pulled away from the main group of them tend to be promoted above the Chief. Guess that's just one-up-manship lol [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Black">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 13:46, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

::[[John-117]] isn't really that great of soldier in the grand scheme of things. He's just got the most press. [[Frederic-104|Fredric-104]] is more than likely a better leader, if not a better fighter in general. John's just really lucky, which many people have commented on, mostly [[Cortana]] and [[Dr. Halsey]] --[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 01:31, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
::
::Rank doesn't mean that they are a good fighter, they aren't Elites. Kurt was promoted for training the S-IIIs. John-117 is a good soldier, he just isn't that high ranked. Sergeant Johnson was a good soldier, but he's a sergeant.[[User:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:purple">LiLLiPaDDy</span>]] [[User talk:LiLLiPaDDy|<span style="color:blue">~True tears are never seen, only hidden~</span>]] 11:43, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
::
::Yeah, but not just a Sergeant. A Sergeant MAJOR. Plus, he was part of Project ORION, which would almost certainly give him some kind of extra clearance or what have you. [[User talk:Critical Tortoise|Critical Tortoise]] 14:14, 12 January 2011 (EST)

== Birthdate ==

Could someone who can edit please put up his age (41) like the rest of Noble Team? And Jun's too (28)? [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:02, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


== Dr. Halsey's Journal not part of appearances? ==
Why not? if I remember correctly, her Journal is part of Halo Cannon just as much as Halo: The Fall of Reach and Halo: Evolutions are. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  19:01, 13 November 2010 (EST)!!!!!

:Of couse it's canon, but it's just not something through which a character can appear. It's a fictional document written as a journal from Halsey's perspective; she writes about Jorge and draws a few sketches - does that mean the actual character makes an appearance in the journal? No, since it is only text even within the ''Halo'' universe. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 19:09, 13 November 2010 (EST)

==Trivia==

The other day I was reading Jorge's page and I thought there were some things worth mentioning in his trivia wich weren't there. Firstly, Jorge is the first SPARTAN to die in-game, or the first one witnessed. Secondly he has a unique visor color, I haven't seen it before and players can not use it. Jorge is also the tallest member of noble, standing 233 cm, wich I think makes him about as tall as Samuel is ( or at least i think, Sam is described as 'a head taller' than John, Jorge is a head taller than the rest of noble team). Last but not least I think it is worth mentioning Jorge is the member of the team you work the most with in campaign, he shares this with Kat. I would like to hear other opinions on this, just tell what you think of it.[[Special:Contributions/83.83.61.111|83.83.61.111]] 07:48, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

:The trivia section is for things that weren't mentioned anywhere else in the article, not for summarisations. Therefore, him being the first SPARTAN death in-game is of little use. I believe his unique visor was already mentioned when talking about his armour system and how to emulate it. He is the tallest because he is a SPARTAN-II, quite simply. I have no problem with the "work the most with in campaign" idea, though it could easily be removed by another user.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 08:15, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

::Has any source stated that the SPARTAN-IIIs are shorter than the SPARTAN-IIs? Whilst unarmored, John, who represents the average build of the S-IIs, is the same height as Carter and Emile: 2.08 meters (6' 10"). Jun, the tallest S-III on the team, was 2.1 meters (nearly 6' 11"). Kat was just under 2.06 meters (6' 9").

::It seems to me that, because the Gamma Company S-IIIs encountered by Blue Team were in their early-to-mid teens, and thus much smaller than the S-IIs, many fans assume that the SPARTAN-IIIs remain smaller when fully grown. However, official information makes it clear that this is not the case. Jorge, at 7' 4", was not taller simply because he was a SPARTAN-II; he was a giant among even the S-IIs, like Sam. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 08:51, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

:: I read the article again and didn't read anything about the colour of his visor, but maybe thats just me. I think Jorge's height is still worth mentioning, and he shouldn't be massured against III's but against II's indeed. I do believe his death is worth mentioning, because it is never explicitly stated that he is the first SPARTAN to die in a game.[[Special:Contributions/83.83.61.111|83.83.61.111]] 10:27, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

== Unknown Possibility of Limited Survival and Recoverability ==

Is there any really, ''really'' small chance that Jorge could have survived the Slipspace bomb?  It was a one-way jump, with no destination, yes, but the portal generated by the Slipspace Drive fit the width of the Supercarrier.  The Corvette Jorge was in surely would've been swallowed whole, and therefore would have suffered damage only by collision with the Supercarrier.  If a preservation chamber or something of the like was present onboard that Corvette, akin to a cryo pod, Jorge could've been indefinitely put to sleep stranded, similar to John, except in Slipspace.  Now, I don't know if there is any traffic in Slipspace, and whether or not you can encounter anything else in the Slipspace dimension, but if that is the case, Jorge could be recovered at some point.  And if not, maybe Jorge or any remaining Covenant on the Corvette could use whatever Slipspace machinery was on the Corvette to escape from it (remember that Covenant Slipspace tech is unlike anything created by man, as Cortana pointed out).  I understand that if any of these things were possible, there would be an extreme low chance of occurence.  I also understand that Jorge isn't known to have the luck that John does.  But I was just wondering if there was maybe just the slightest possibility of him being potentially able to return to the universe. [[User talk:Cool fool|Cool fool]] 02:32, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
::I've been a very large proponent of the theory that Jorge survived after those events. The Corvette would have been more or less intact. More than this, Jorge's helmet was ''still'' on the floor of the flight deck, as well as several Seraph fighters.--[[User:The Ragin Pagan|The Ragin Pagan]] ([[User talk:The Ragin Pagan|talk]]) 20:52, 16 March 2016 (EDT)

:I believe that the corvette was sent into slipspace undamaged, seeing as how the portal completely surrounded it. However, the ship would have entered slipspace right in front of the reinforcing fleet. It's not a bomb in the 'explosive' sense, but merely in a 'destructive' sense. Opponents of this theory take note of the scorch marks on the supercarrier, suggesting high-energy conditions capable of heating the metal hull, though I suppose it could have been due to calamity within the ship, instead - pipes transporting dangerous, high-energy materials could be cut. Based on available reference material we can conclude that, yes - the corvette entered slipspace. Jorge's survival, however, is left ambiguous, though given up for dead by the rest of NOBLE team in a similar manner to James - he survived the initial event but was unable to be rescued due to the current situation.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 06:26, 17 August 2011 (EDT)


He's one of the few truly MIA Spartans then? [[User:Sangheili1155]] 19:38, 5/15/12

:No, he's officially listed as ''Killed In Action'', according recent sources.-- <span style="color: #7BA05B; font-weight:bold; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><tt>KEEP IT CLEAN</tt></span> <sup>[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Comm Line'''</u></font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Transmissions'''</u></font>]]</sub> 15:00, 15 May 2012 (EDT)

::I do think, story-telling wise, there's a difference between being designated KIA and being ''confirmed'' KIA. For all intents and purposes, we don't know what happened to Jorge, and can only assume, sans a later appearance, that he was killed by the slipspace rupture. It's ''remotely'' possible that he survived on the Corvette if it wasn't destroyed by the chunk of Supercarrier it took with it, and if he wasn't swarmed by what was left of the Corvette's crew, but then that still leaves him stranded in slipspace. So while he's officially designated KIA, I think it's fairer to say he genuinely is KIA, in the same sense as James, in that there's currently no conceivable way for him to have survived. Then again, we all kind of assumed Jun was MIA until 343 brought him back, so they ''might'' do something with Jorge. Given their penchant for killing off the remaining Spartan-IIs, though, I'd rather they leave it to our imaginations. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 06:35, 2 September 2014 (EDT)

== Protection ==

Can someone place a temporary protection on this article? There's a vandal who's obsessed with vandalizing this article.--'''''[[User:Killamin7i|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamin</span><span style="color:red; font-family: Arial;">7</span><span style="color:black; font-family: Arial;">i</span>]]''''' [[User talk:Killamin7i|<font color="Gray">///</font>]] 08:41, 10 March 2015 (EDT)
:Done. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 09:51, 10 March 2015 (EDT)

::Thanks!--'''''[[User:Killamin7i|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamin</span><span style="color:red; font-family: Arial;">7</span><span style="color:black; font-family: Arial;">i</span>]]''''' [[User talk:Killamin7i|<font color="Gray">///</font>]] 10:00, 10 March 2015 (EDT)

== Official Errors ==

So the official visual guide calls his armor the Mark IV but literally every other piece of media calls it the Mark V and it has shields like the Mark V.  Are we going with the obvious error from that single source and retconning things officially or are we going with the other sources that say he's got Mark V and not opening the can of worms on how he has a Mark IV model with shields?

:His overall suit is Mark V. But he uses Grenadier which is a Mark IV variant. Grenadier being compatible with Mark V but not a true Mark V variant.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 02:41, 4 October 2016 (EDT)

:Yes I know his helmet is Mk IV, I was more asking because the equipment section erroneously listed his ''entire suit'' as Mk IV, justified based on one page of the "official visual guide".  It seems like we need to clarify that better because otherwise it could result in an edit war; is the official word yay or nay on disregarding that one source because it conflicts with all the others?