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== Seven Reference == | == Seven Reference == | ||
Isn't the fact that he's listed as enlisting on the date 0'''7'''/0'''7'''/254'''7''' and obvious seven reference? --[[ | Isn't the fact that he's listed as enlisting on the date 0'''7'''/0'''7'''/254'''7''' and obvious seven reference? --[[w:c:templarsoftwilight:user:Kahn iceay|Kahn Iceay]] 02:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
don't forget '''25'''47 [[User talk:L33tmcphee|L33tmcphee]] 04:01, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | don't forget '''25'''47 [[User talk:L33tmcphee|L33tmcphee]] 04:01, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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== Strange Edit == | == Strange Edit == | ||
Um...okay? He's up, walking around, and fighting. Does he look like a murder victim? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 23:57, September 4, 2009 (UTC) | {{quote|The two letters at the end of his Service Number(JD) could mean "John Doe", a term used in the United States to classify male individuals, usually murder/homicide victims.|Anonymous IP}} | ||
Um...okay? He's up, walking around, and fighting. Does he look like a murder victim? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 23:57, September 4, 2009 (UTC) | |||
:John Doe has noting to do with murder its a place holder name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe --[[User talk:JacktheBlack|Jack Black]] 00:19, September 5, 2009 (UTC) | :John Doe has noting to do with murder its a place holder name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doe --[[User talk:JacktheBlack|Jack Black]] 00:19, September 5, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Perhaps, but I still fail to see how its relevant or verifiable to the Rookie. As far as I'm concerned, its a coincidence. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 06:23, September 8, 2009 (UTC) | ::Perhaps, but I still fail to see how its relevant or verifiable to the Rookie. As far as I'm concerned, its a coincidence. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 06:23, September 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::Should we remove it as speculation, or at least move it to a different section of the article? --{{User:Blemo/Sig}} | :::Should we remove it as speculation, or at least move it to a different section of the article? --{{User:Blemo/Sig}} | ||
:::I wouldn't include it at all. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:37, September 28, 2009 (UTC) | :::I wouldn't include it at all. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:37, September 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
I think the "John Doe" idea is supposed to allude to the fact that the Rookie is sort of like a detective (the whole Film Noir idea), but there's no official source, so I suppose the John Doe thing is irrelevant. | I think the "John Doe" idea is supposed to allude to the fact that the Rookie is sort of like a detective (the whole Film Noir idea), but there's no official source, so I suppose the John Doe thing is irrelevant. | ||
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:I think they were referring to the fact that he doesn't speak a single word. I personally think they scrapped it from another character, because I doubt that Bungie would hire a voice actor to only do grunts and groans :P -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:General5 7|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:red; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> General5 7 </span>''']][[User talk:General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px"> talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white"> contribs </span>]][[Special:Emailuser/General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px"> email </span>]]</span></small> 01:48, October 6, 2009 (UTC) | :I think they were referring to the fact that he doesn't speak a single word. I personally think they scrapped it from another character, because I doubt that Bungie would hire a voice actor to only do grunts and groans :P -- <small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:General5 7|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:red; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> General5 7 </span>''']][[User talk:General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px"> talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white"> contribs </span>]][[Special:Emailuser/General5 7|<span style="background-color:blue; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px"> email </span>]]</span></small> 01:48, October 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::You'll be surprised what Bungie will do. I'd guess they got one of their employees to voice him. - | ::You'll be surprised what Bungie will do. I'd guess they got one of their employees to voice him. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 19:41, November 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::But hell, I'd still wanted to know, who. [[User talk:PatrickRus|PatrickRus]] 14:59, 16 January 2012 (EST) | :::But hell, I'd still wanted to know, who. [[User talk:PatrickRus|PatrickRus]] 14:59, 16 January 2012 (EST) | ||
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--[[User talk:Dr.Halsey|Dr.Halsey]] 10:26, December 28, 2009 (UTC) | --[[User talk:Dr.Halsey|Dr.Halsey]] 10:26, December 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I was just about to start a talk about this. I just finished reading ''Dirt'' last night, and from what I can gather, the two Rookies are the same. Think about it, it all fits. He is never referred to by name, only "rookie" or "rook", talks only when necessary, making gestures most of the time, carries a medical kit on his back, no backstory or any personal details are given, he is the only ODST survivor when the planet is glassed, he vows to do whatever he can against the Covenant, the planet glassed is never named so could very well be New Jerusalem, and at the end of the story he is told they are retreating to Earth. If that's not the Rookie, I don't know who is. The only flaw I can see, is that he is said to be a Private, not a Lance Corporal. Either, it was a mistake on the author's part, or it is a retcon, seeing as he is referred to as a Private in the VISR database also. I personally think they are the same person. - | :I was just about to start a talk about this. I just finished reading ''Dirt'' last night, and from what I can gather, the two Rookies are the same. Think about it, it all fits. He is never referred to by name, only "rookie" or "rook", talks only when necessary, making gestures most of the time, carries a medical kit on his back, no backstory or any personal details are given, he is the only ODST survivor when the planet is glassed, he vows to do whatever he can against the Covenant, the planet glassed is never named so could very well be New Jerusalem, and at the end of the story he is told they are retreating to Earth. If that's not the Rookie, I don't know who is. The only flaw I can see, is that he is said to be a Private, not a Lance Corporal. Either, it was a mistake on the author's part, or it is a retcon, seeing as he is referred to as a Private in the VISR database also. I personally think they are the same person. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 15:21, December 29, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Isn't the word "rookie" a common nickname for new soldiers/military personnel? The other would be "greenhorn", I think. If you're new in a group, you are expected to talk only when it is necessary and make gestures instead of actually replying to questions/orders. Anxiety, some would say. Additionally, I would assume all ODSTs carry medical kits on their backpack though at a limited amount that is sufficient for one operation. Don't always assume Medics are the only military unit with medical kits. | ::Isn't the word "rookie" a common nickname for new soldiers/military personnel? The other would be "greenhorn", I think. If you're new in a group, you are expected to talk only when it is necessary and make gestures instead of actually replying to questions/orders. Anxiety, some would say. Additionally, I would assume all ODSTs carry medical kits on their backpack though at a limited amount that is sufficient for one operation. Don't always assume Medics are the only military unit with medical kits. | ||
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:::In response to the comment above by the unsigned poster, it is kind of ridiculous to assume he's a de facto medic because he used first-aid equipment; all modern Marines and Soldiers carry basic medical supplies. Hell, I carried a Corpsman's bag that I stole from the BAS that had all kinds of IVs and a defib kit. [[User talk:Griever0311|Griever0311]] 19:51, December 29, 2009 (UTC) | :::In response to the comment above by the unsigned poster, it is kind of ridiculous to assume he's a de facto medic because he used first-aid equipment; all modern Marines and Soldiers carry basic medical supplies. Hell, I carried a Corpsman's bag that I stole from the BAS that had all kinds of IVs and a defib kit. [[User talk:Griever0311|Griever0311]] 19:51, December 29, 2009 (UTC) | ||
About the whole skipping rank thing, it's possible that he ''was'' a Private First Class. Almost always during battlefield situations, Private First Classes are referred to as Privates. So, if he was a PFC, he could have been promoted to Lance Corporal on the way to Earth. Another thing, is why else would the author go to the trouble of referring to this person as "rookie" and "rook" and all the other things I mentioned and ''not'' intended him to be the same character? Unless he was trying to trick us, which somehow I doubt. - | About the whole skipping rank thing, it's possible that he ''was'' a Private First Class. Almost always during battlefield situations, Private First Classes are referred to as Privates. So, if he was a PFC, he could have been promoted to Lance Corporal on the way to Earth. Another thing, is why else would the author go to the trouble of referring to this person as "rookie" and "rook" and all the other things I mentioned and ''not'' intended him to be the same character? Unless he was trying to trick us, which somehow I doubt. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 14:56, January 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Ahhhh... this is just like the "Is Thel 'Vadam the Arbiter?" discussion. <font face="century gothic">[[User:Snore|<font color="#738678">SNOR</font>]]<sup>{[[User talk:Snore|<font color="orange">3</font>]]}</sup></font> 08:59, January 2, 2010 (UTC) | Ahhhh... this is just like the "Is Thel 'Vadam the Arbiter?" discussion. <font face="century gothic">[[User:Snore|<font color="#738678">SNOR</font>]]<sup>{[[User talk:Snore|<font color="orange">3</font>]]}</sup></font> 08:59, January 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:The only difference is we ''know'' Thel is the Arbiter. - | :The only difference is we ''know'' Thel is the Arbiter. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki> | ||
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::Anyone wanna get an interview with Tobias Buckell about this? :P --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 05:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | ::Anyone wanna get an interview with Tobias Buckell about this? :P --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 05:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::I think I will do just that. You can contact him from his website. - | :::I think I will do just that. You can contact him from his website. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 07:29, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Heh, I just noticed that last night. Seriously though, someone should bug him about that. It seems like he'd be the type of author to do that (especially seeing as how Thel 'Vadam was confirmed as the future Arbiter in an interview, but in The Cole Protocol it only implies it). --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 05:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC) | ::::Heh, I just noticed that last night. Seriously though, someone should bug him about that. It seems like he'd be the type of author to do that (especially seeing as how Thel 'Vadam was confirmed as the future Arbiter in an interview, but in The Cole Protocol it only implies it). --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 05:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::Did a quick check and it's legitimate.[[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 01:54, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | ::Did a quick check and it's legitimate.[[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 01:54, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::How you did that, I have no idea, but it's been decided to go ahead and add the info regarding his role in ''Dirt''. - | :::How you did that, I have no idea, but it's been decided to go ahead and add the info regarding his role in ''Dirt''. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 12:32, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:All I want to know if it is the right thing to do to put the information on the page so I am gonna become {{Neutral}} until it is fully confirmed. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|13:37, 2 May, 2010}} | :All I want to know if it is the right thing to do to put the information on the page so I am gonna become {{Neutral}} until it is fully confirmed. {{User:Cally99117/Sig|13:37, 2 May, 2010}} | ||
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I'm suggesting that we rename it to '''Rookie''' instead. For one, I have not yet seen (canonically, but I may be wrong) an instance where "The" is capitalized. Every time we link to this page, we put [[The Rookie]], which looks unprofessional and is an eyesore for me. {{User:General5 7/sig}} | I'm suggesting that we rename it to '''Rookie''' instead. For one, I have not yet seen (canonically, but I may be wrong) an instance where "The" is capitalized. Every time we link to this page, we put [[The Rookie]], which looks unprofessional and is an eyesore for me. {{User:General5 7/sig}} | ||
:I'd {{Support}} that. - | :I'd {{Support}} that. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 22:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:This is true... You have my {{Support}} then. --''"Why am I here and what the hell are you?"''[[User: Yugiohtipman34|The guy who hates his username.]] 22:58, July 6, 2010 (UTC) | :This is true... You have my {{Support}} then. --''"Why am I here and what the hell are you?"''[[User: Yugiohtipman34|The guy who hates his username.]] 22:58, July 6, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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So basically, I think we should stick with the title "Rookie", which is the only canonical name he's ever had. | So basically, I think we should stick with the title "Rookie", which is the only canonical name he's ever had. | ||
'''<span style="font-family: Tahoma; color: MidnightBlue;"> // [[User:Stryker117|<font color="MidnightBlue">ŝтŕγκęŕ</font>]]''' <small>[ [[User talk:Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">COM</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/M</font>]] | [[Special:Editcount/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/S</font>]] ]</small></span> 03:51, August 27, 2010 (UTC) | [[File:Noblelogo.png|35px]]'''<span style="font-family: Tahoma; color: MidnightBlue;"> // [[User:Stryker117|<font color="MidnightBlue">ŝтŕγκęŕ</font>]]''' <small>[ [[User talk:Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">COM</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/M</font>]] | [[Special:Editcount/Stryker117|<font color="SteelBlue">LOG/S</font>]] ]</small></span> 03:51, August 27, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Changed back. J.D. could mean a multitude of things, namely "John Doe", considering the fact that I doubt Bungie wouldn't give him a name and then give his proper serial number. And as per Stryker, serial numbers don't *always* contain one's initials. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig|August 27th, 2010}} | :Changed back. J.D. could mean a multitude of things, namely "John Doe", considering the fact that I doubt Bungie wouldn't give him a name and then give his proper serial number. And as per Stryker, serial numbers don't *always* contain one's initials. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig|August 27th, 2010}} |