Editing Talk:Jiralhanae Chieftain

I think an image of Tartarus should be put here to show that the Cheftian has evolved from Halo 2. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front <font color="000000">(shockfront)</font>]</sup></b> 19:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Whoa, whoa, too much trivia==
Too many bullets guys, they're crowding the whole page. Try and work the trivia into the main article.

:I'm on it. [[User:An_elite_'92|<span style = "color:#2D1925">'''Jora 'Mantak'''</span>]]-[[User talk: An elite '92|<span style = "color:#5D1A39">Battlenet</span>]]-[http://halopedian.com/User_profile:An_elite_%2792 <span style = "color:#B7608A">Brothers</span>]-[[Special:Contributions/An_elite_'92|<span style = "color:#CCCCCC">Combat History</span>]] 03:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Finished, but my edit was reverted. Please explain. [[User:An_elite_'92|<span style = "color:#2D1925">'''Jora 'Mantak'''</span>]]-[[User talk: An elite '92|<span style = "color:#5D1A39">Battlenet</span>]]-[http://halopedian.com/User_profile:An_elite_%2792 <span style = "color:#B7608A">Brothers</span>]-[[Special:Contributions/An_elite_'92|<span style = "color:#CCCCCC">Combat History</span>]] 14:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

::It was [[User:Owner2647|Owner2647]]. Talk to him.<div style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">Smoke</font>]]</b></div>16:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Move the pictures around ==

They're all crouding over eachother.
[[User:71.189.22.224|71.189.22.224]] 02:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Confusion ==
Which Brute Chieftain armor signifies the higher-powered Chieftain? [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 12:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

**I say Chieftains that are equipped with Red Armor, Gravity Hammers, and Invincibilty are the higher ranking of the two. [[Image:Halopedia - Anti-Vandal Assault Corps Logo 01.PNG|25px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/D Company|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]]<sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 10/26/2007

No the Highest are the Gold ones. Even when there was a Red one in the level Crows Nest it was the Gold one who reported directly to the Prophet of Truth. Councilor 'Rumilee
*true. Although the red one and other gold one were both dead at this point so he was the only one left.
I thought the higher powered cheiftans dont really have armor but just an energy sheild like Tartarus.--[[User:JohnSpartan117]] 23:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The reason the Gold one reported was that he was the only one alive. Had the hammer one not been killed by the Chief, he would have taken control and informed Truth. The Hammer ones are most likely the highest because: 1. They have bodyguards 2. The Gold ones are often seen in unimportant jobs, like guarding a small outpost or commanding a Scarab. The Hammer ones stay behind in worthy environments. 3. In The Ark, the Hammer Chieftain stays behind and duels MC personally, while the Gold one just walks to fight MC like any other enemy.[[User:Mutoid Chief|Mutoid Chief]] 12:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:No, no, no. The GOLD ones are higher. [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: lime; font-family: BankGothic Md BT; font-size: 12pt;">'''BPL'''</span>]] 22:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Red ones have invincibility which could signify that they have higher rank [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 00:34, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

== Equipment ==

This article says that on Normal, weapon chieftains only carry flares, not invincibility. I frequently do campaign on normal (with skulls) and 9 times out of 10 the hammer chieftain on Sierra 117 has invincibility.

I finished reading Halo Contact Harvest and it seems as though Maccabeus' armor was said to have a gold "V-Shaped crest" just like the Armor Chieftain and the One who captured the Master Chief in Uprising was a Gold Armored one so Armor Chieftain> Weapons Chieftain in rank.[[User:Councilor 'Rumilee|Councilor &#39;Rumilee]] 01:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== War Chieftain ==

According to [http://www.spawn.com/toys/product.aspx?product=3652 Spawn.com], the gold-armoured Brute is a War Chieftain, while the red armoured Brute is just a regular [http://www.spawn.com/features/halo3s1/brutechieftain.html Chieftain]. I've edited the article to reflect this, just thought I'd point out that its not fanon. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 02:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't believe that. I think the "Brute Chieftain" name was just a General name for a Chieftain they used, instead of just "Brute Chieftain - Weapon". Now they had to find another name for the second type of Chieftain. I trust Bungies own website more.[[User:Mutoid Chief|Mutoid Chief]] 12:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it possible there is no subordinate, and a Brute can be either a Weapons or Armor chieftain, depending upon personal preference? [[User talk:D1134|D1134]] 05:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Chieftain power armor ==

After messing around on the easy difficulty with the tilt and mythic skulls on (these are the ones that matter), I keep meleeing an armor chieftain's power armor and let it cool down.

I notice something, the armor has a MUCH shorter delay on cooling down when it is damaged, and it takes 4 melee hits (with the mentioned skulls on) to break it off (the same amount for all other brutes except captains of any rank and brute stalkers). This also applied to the weapon chieftain's armor as well.

So their armor isn't really that strong, but it must take constant damage. [[User:Popsoap|Popsoap]] 05:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== bNope ==
In the Trivia,it says Hammer Chieftains put the hammer on their back sometimes,but they don't.The only time this happens is on The Ark,and hes not in a combat situation.They don't berserk like that,they just run faster,put a vid if they have,or pic.[[User:GEARS OF WAR 2|GEARS OF WAR 2]]

:They do in Crows Nest. [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: lime; font-family: BankGothic Md BT; font-size: 12pt;">'''BPL'''</span>]] 22:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Proof? That's what I thought.[[User:GEARS OF WAR 2|GEARS OF WAR 2]]

How about you play halo [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 00:36, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

War Chieftains will sometime berserk, like when you throw a Power Drain next to them. [[User talk:Youngrubby|Youngrubby]] 18:39, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

== Pack Chieftain ==
Shouldn't the page be called Pack Chieftain instead of regular Chieftain?Than have one page on all Brute Chieftains,called Alpha Jiralhanae,for all Brute Chieftain ranks.[[User:GEARS OF WAR 2|GEARS OF WAR 2]]

== Intro ==

The intro to this article is about all the chieftains, but the rest is just about a certain one. Isn't there a place where all the chieftains' info could go? [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: lime; font-family: BankGothic Md BT; font-size: 12pt;">'''BPL'''</span>]] 22:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Charging ==

I was playing "the covenant" Halo 3 campaign level on Heroic. While I was at the shield console with the standard chieftain. I was taking cover, and did not kill and brutes, not even minors, but I did take one of their power armor off. The chieftain charged me, without me killing a single brute. I wasn't expecting this, obviously. But this is the only time this happened. I don't know if this deserves an edit or not, as it seems to be an EXTREMELY rare case.--[[User talk:Dragon1300|Dragon1300]] 03:10, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

They do it all the time.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Hunter on Steriods]] 23:45, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Inaccurate, Hunter Zealot\Steroids. It IS a rare case. I play campaign all the time and this never happens.-- [[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato]] 04:05, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

They do it all the time.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Hunter on Steriods]] 23:14, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

:Without killing a member of their pack? Either your version of the disk isn't normal or you don't play enough Halo 3 campaign. Please note we are not talking about Firefight, in which they DO do it all the time. -[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato]] 23:59, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, I bought Halo 3 at Walmart, so I'm sure. And I play more than my fair, in fact, though I shared the 360 with my brother, I played H3 campaign the most.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Hunter on Steriods]] 00:02, October 20, 2009 (UTC)


:I have played about 150 campaign games. I know my stuff... HOLY WHOA. I just checked your account, and it says you've played a total of 13 campaign games. Don't debunk me, you Halo 3 newb... --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato]] 00:36, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

::
Lets not brag about all that, it verges on the pathetic. And I got my game limited edition pre-ordered from bestbuy, and more often then not the Hammer Chieftans will charge at you if you evade the pack. It generally happens to me in the First tower on The Covenant. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 00:46, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

:I'm not bragging, I'm just stating the facts. He has no purpose in a conversation that he has no experience about. It is true they will attack you without you harming their pack, but you need to attack the Chieftain, at least. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato]] 00:52, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Not always [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 00:57, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Will, actually, I haven't played live, or even connected to, for a long time.(No more gold) And I didn't state everything,when live is on, I don't play campaign, mostly. So go to hell, you halo 3 "newb".(It's noob jackass) I wasn't trying to start a fight, but you did. And by the way, that counts what you complete, other wise I'd have thousands, because Halo 3's campaign sucks, I only try to do cool things, snap shots, ya know.(Probably don't) And no, you don't have to harm shit.(I've actually walked into the crows nest part, and suddenly heard that annoying scream, than bam.)--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Hunter on Steriods]] 22:03, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
::'''Enough!!''' We arn't here to throw insults around. We're here for the answer. Stay on track.--'''<span style="background:Brown;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Arabsbananas|<font color="Tan">CR8ZY-ArAB</font>]]</span>''' 22:09, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

And you've played 132 games.--[[User talk:Hunter Zealot|Hunter on Steriods]] 22:11, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
::I hope your not talking to me because I don't have Halo 3 and neither have I played it. Lets stay on track, so you say it is possible. If you want to prove it, I recogmend this: just play until it happens, save the film, upload it to Youtube, and show us.--'''<span style="background:Brown;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Arabsbananas|<font color="Tan">CR8ZY-ArAB</font>]]</span>''' 22:22, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

:This is such a stupid fight... --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato]] 22:31, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

::To be completely honest (And no, my xbox live account does not accurately represent how many times I've played through campaign), I've been charged at several times without killing pack members. It seems to be about how close you get to the cheiftain. The closer you are, the more likely they'll initiate a charge sequence.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 17:37, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

== Legends ==
Most of you know of the Blue Brute Chieftain. But what you don't is that there are too, a red armored one, possibly an honor guard appears in the end. It has large spikes on it, and '''IS''' a brute.--Lekgolo 01:29, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

i'm pretty sure they aren't called brute chieftans they are brute heros--[[User talk:CFV-88|CFV-88]] 21:57, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think that that blue chieftain may not be a chieftain, but an army commander(note similar armour and long beard), maybe equal in rank to the one in halo wars.

==Sticking==
The part on sticking a chieftian only on Easy and Normal on the toes, weapon, etc, is innacurate. It can be done on any difficulty. I've gotten lucky and stuck the Sierra 117 Chieftian several times on the Hammer, and on his armor. I'm not sure how exactly, but the granade bounced off his shoulder while he was charging, and it came down and stuck his back/shoulder blade.
::I'm removing the statement, but copying and pasting it here so that it can be re-added if anyone thinks it really necessary to be included. 1st sentence, 2nd paragraph, "Weapons" section.
 On Easy and Normal difficulties, it is possible to stick their feet, hands and weapon with spike or plasma grenades.
[[User talk:Frogger1093|Frogger1093]] 21:17, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
==Reach?==
The article says they have different armour for Reach but do we even now if the brutes are in Reach? [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 18:44, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
:We do now. -- [[User talk:SFH|SFH]] 18:58, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


==Image?==
I just saw a dispute between two users about which image should be posted and I was wondering the same myself. Reach or H3?

One one hand, most of our weapon and character articles are updated each time a new game comes out. Logically we would then use a Reach picture. However, there are many reasons why this might not be applicable for Brute ranks. One of the weakest (but still valid) arguments is that H3 chronologically comes ''after'' Reach. I know this has been discussed before, but I'll post it up for further discussion. 

Now even if this first point is to be ignored, the last one is a bit more convincing. For one reason or another (perhaps because brutes at this point were still a secondary fighting force rather than the frontline troops as they were in H3), the Reach brutes seem to be a thrown together band of soldiers with little in the way of equipment or direction. By Halo 3, Brute ranks were clearly defined with three dvisions among infantry ranks, three divisions among captain ranks, and two divisions among chieftains. There were also two specialty ranks on the side. Before brutes were being used as main troops (Halo Reach's time period) we see that there is no division among the infantry ranks (now called Minors) and the captain ranks (now just called Majors). 

The point of all this is that before their unification under Truth's call, brutes were an ad hoc band of misfits. They were underequipped and in disarray. The brutes of Reach can clearly be seen with similar armor pieces to their H3 counterparts, but they weren't painted to denote rank because this was a time before rank. And these Reach brutes are also seen without full sets of armor. They have missing pieces. Even the chieftain has his leg armor missing! 

So why use a picture of the chieftain in earlier gear, especially if we have one in its full set of armor at the height of the brute's power: H3? Just a question to think about.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 17:37, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should use the Reach picture. Because it isn't about the newest game, it isn't even about what comes in the the storyline! It's about what has the best graphics! And since Reach's graphics are much better then Halo 3's we should use Reach!Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 01:45, August 15, 2010 (UTC)!!!!!!!!!!

I believe we should use H3 photo's[[User talk:Paladin cross|Paladin cross]] 15:20, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

We should use both. By keeping the Halo 3 pics we know they have at the height of their power while it'd be an incredibly stupid idea to disregard the new info from Reach. Besides the Chiefains have some pretty robust looking armor, it'd be a shame to not show it.--[[User talk:Zervziel|For the Swarm!]] 03:38, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

== Halo Reach render? ==

So, the Reach render that was used as the main image before it was replaced by the halo 3 one shows a Chieftain that is part Captain part Chieftain. I never once saw these in-game and i think they were early concepts. We should get a render of the final in-game one. [[File:Extermination.gif|30px]]<font style="background:white">[[User:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:blue">Alpha Lima Echo Xray</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:blue">Talk</font>]]</sup></font> 07:42, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

:Ah, I see what you're saying. Perhaps provide us a good screenshot of it (in a normal pose) and let some of our users render it? :D — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:05, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

Will any of these pictures do: [http://www.halopedian.com/File:ChieftainFull.jpg] or [http://www.halopedian.com/File:ChieftainHalf.jpg] [[File:Extermination.gif|30px]]<font style="background:white">[[User:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:blue">Alpha Lima Echo Xray</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:blue">Talk</font>]]</sup></font> 10:06, 22 May 2011 (EDT)
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-==Untitled==
 I think an image of Tartarus should be put here to show that the Cheftian has evolved from Halo 2. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front <font color="000000">(shockfront)</font>]</sup></b> 19:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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 Which Brute Chieftain armor signifies the higher-powered Chieftain? [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 12:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
-**I say Chieftains that are equipped with Red Armor, Gravity Hammers, and Invincibilty are the higher ranking of the two. File:Halopedia - Anti-Vandal Assault Corps Logo 01.PNG|25px]]UoH/D Company|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]]<sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 10/26/2007
+**I say Chieftains that are equipped with Red Armor, Gravity Hammers, and Invincibilty are the higher ranking of the two. [[Image:Halopedia - Anti-Vandal Assault Corps Logo 01.PNG|25px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/D Company|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]]<sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 10/26/2007
 No the Highest are the Gold ones. Even when there was a Red one in the level Crows Nest it was the Gold one who reported directly to the Prophet of Truth. Councilor 'Rumilee
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 Will any of these pictures do: [http://www.halopedian.com/File:ChieftainFull.jpg] or [http://www.halopedian.com/File:ChieftainHalf.jpg] [[File:Extermination.gif|30px]]<font style="background:white">[[User:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:blue">Alpha Lima Echo Xray</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:blue">Talk</font>]]</sup></font> 10:06, 22 May 2011 (EDT)
-:It is much preferred if you could get one with a bland background along with the pose as depicted in the second image, though in a calmer fashion. To clarify, the pose should be near-neutral if possible, i.e. not charging pose, not attacking pose. — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:11, 22 May 2011 (EDT)
-== These Guys Trump the War Chieftains ==
-On The Covenant, there are two "regular" Chieftains, including one guarding the Prophet of Truth himself, while in the same level there are '''seven''', count 'em, seven War Chieftains, two of which are guarding a Citadel (remember, the previous Citadel is guarded by only one "regular" Chieftain). In addition "regular" Chieftains are the only Brutes ever seen wielding Gravity Hammers, a weapon the Chieftain of the Brutes himself used as his signature weapon (Also remember that "regular" Chieftains are the only Brutes that use Invincibility. What better way to keep an important asset alive in the field?). All of this evidence leads me to believe that War Chieftains are in fact inferior to "regular" Chieftains. Tell me what you think! --[[User talk:TK 234|One  who survived]] 14:57, 7 April 2012 (EDT)
-I think you might be right and Brute Chieftains might be the boss of the "war chieftains". --[[User:The Ultimate Pie|The Ultimate Pie]] ([[User talk:The Ultimate Pie|talk]]) 23:02, 25 December 2017 (EST)