Editing Talk:Installation 04

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== Should it be merged? ==

I'm kinda neutral on this. On one hand it is about the size of the Halos, which would fit with the other article. However if you look at the ending movie of Halo 2, it shows all seven Halos and each is a different size. I'm assuming Installation 01 being the smallest and Installation 07 the biggest. [[User:AlphaPrime|AlphaPrime]] 20:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''KEEP''' as is. The astronomy section only pretains to ''this'' Halo, not the others, they don't orbit the same planet. -[[User:ED|ED]] 20:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''KEEP''' The articles have enough differences to be left alone. -[[User:Broinarm117|Broinarm117]] 11:26, 6 April 2007

*'''KEEP''' They have many reasons to remain seperate.--[[User:Anaba 'Eesoree|'''Gerzam''']] [[Image:Gerzam.jpg |20px]] [[User talk:Anaba 'Eesoree |<sup>[Communications]</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Anaba 'Eesoree|<sup>[Past Battles]</sup>]] 22:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

*'''MERGE''' Just change it so it doesn't specifically say it orbits Threshold; just say they all orbit some planet or another on a lagrange point. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">G</font><font color="#770000"><sup>ü</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">é</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>ß</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">Ł</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>¥</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">∏</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>é</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">Ґ</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>∫</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">ø</font><font color="#000066"><sub>ñ</sub></font><font color="#000000">¥</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>†</sup></font><font color="#007700">ħ</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>î</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">И</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">¥</font>]]''' 04:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Other Theories ==

I don't know if anyone has considered this, but is it possible that some of the flood on the ring survived its "destruction" and perhaps still inhabit the remaining chunks?  Just a theory that has been nagging me for a while.
:That is very possible. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front<font color="000000">(shockfront)]</font></sup></b> 19:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
::How frightening.

I could put this in discussion of Installation 04 or 05, but who cares.
They never show what the OTHER side of halo actual contains, I'm guessing it's just forerunner material but who knows?
[[User: Starwarsguy9875]]

Only the inside is hospitable for Earth life, I think. But for the Flood, I'm unsure what environments they can survive. I'd assume it's just Forerunner technology on the outer ring though, but who knows. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

==Date of Firing==

[[100,000 B.C.E.]] is stated to be the year the Halos were fired, yet on this article's page it states the year Installation 04 was created in was 98,665 BC, which is after the rings fired. So I'm confused. Can anyone  help me on this? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:I suppose 100,000 B.C. is too general for the page's information, the year 98,665 must be a more accurate year for when the Installations fired. [[Image:Halopedia - Anti-Vandal Assault Corps Logo 01.PNG|25px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General]]</b></font> [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk]]</font></b></sup> 11/20/2007

==Wait, What?==

I've always been confused about the Halos, after fired, how can the blast wave choose between sentient life and non-sentient life?...it's so confusing. And aren't the flood infection forms sentient enough?. Why is it all other life dies in the blast but not the flood...they are a form of life. And finally, how did the Huragok survive the blast? Someone help me out here.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 15:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

:Well, the Huragok (Engineers) are artificially created lifeforms made by the Forerunners. That's how they survived, and also why they can't be assimilated by the Flood. --{{LordSig2}}

Engineers are created from nanorobots forming together to form an artificial life form, they are created by the forerunner, who most likely designed the engineers to be unaffected by the halo's activation. [[User:Lovemuffin|lovemuffin]] 22:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)Lovemuffin

== Interesting ==

Dunno, if anyone else figured this out but, here goes:

August 30 2552 (Battle of Reach) and September 19th (Exit point of jump)
That is 21 days. 21 / 3 = 7.
Also if factored in the PoA's slipspace velocity of 2.1 Ly/D
That is 21 x 2.1 = 44.1 ly from Reach

Isn't that a bit close? --[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 17:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
*True, it's only supposed to be 50 light-years from Earth, and if Halo is where it's supposed to be (Iota Horologii), which I doubt, but it's nice to think that it is, then we should have already found it with optical telescopes!--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 13:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's another, just as a theory for why the Foreunners failed to make it to their shield worlds in time:
Installation 04 was the primary firing site, and when the operators' position seemed about to be compromised, they fired the rings prematurely, thus destroying the Forerunners.  
think about it.  In the Control Room, (Halo CE, I believe) 343 guilty spark said that "you" had asked what he would do. he continues to say, "After considerable pondering, My response remains unchanged.  I would light the rings" or something to that effect.  this implies that the operator was on Installation 04 when the rings were fired, and in fact did it himself --[[User talk:Zero-G Mako|Zero-G Mako]] 09:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== To WarGrowlmon ==

Please stop reverting my edit. Your text was poorly spelled and such, and we don't need to know how everything happened, only the stuff that is about the Halo. The last thing I want to do is be blocked for edit warring.

Regards,

{{User:General5 7/sig}}

== Installation 04-C ==

Of course, if the Ark is not beyond repair, a replacement for Installation 04-B will be built, since 04-B was destroyed by being fired prematurely. Shouldn't we add this to the article? [[User:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''''X'''''</span><span style="color:#FF7518">'''''Super'''''</span><span style="color:#CE0000">'''''Gamer'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#303030">'''''Talk'''''</span>]]</sup> 23:32, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
:They implied that the Ark is pretty much destroyed. It was a good hypothesis, but we'll need more information regarding it before me mention such a thing. As of now, it is mere speculation.--[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 00:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:I think that it was mendicant that lead the humans to alpha halo and somehow he taped in to the pillar of autumns slipspace drive when the humans entered "random" coordinates it could have very well been part of mendicants plan but i dunno its just a theory

::It's not really even a theory. To have a theory, you need to make a claim ''and'' produce some evidence to back it up. It doesn't have to be right. All you have is a piece of baseless speculation - we already know that Cortana used the coordinates found on a relic found at Sigma Octanus to reach Halo, instead of the "random" coordinates she was supposed to use. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:49, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
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 *'''KEEP''' The articles have enough differences to be left alone. -[[User:Broinarm117|Broinarm117]] 11:26, 6 April 2007
-*'''KEEP''' They have many reasons to remain seperate.--[[User:Anaba 'Eesoree|'''Gerzam''']] Image:Gerzam.jpg |20px [[User talk:Anaba 'Eesoree |<sup>[Communications]</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Anaba 'Eesoree|<sup>[Past Battles]</sup>]] 22:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
+*'''KEEP''' They have many reasons to remain seperate.--[[User:Anaba 'Eesoree|'''Gerzam''']] [[Image:Gerzam.jpg |20px]] [[User talk:Anaba 'Eesoree |<sup>[Communications]</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Anaba 'Eesoree|<sup>[Past Battles]</sup>]] 22:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 *'''MERGE''' Just change it so it doesn't specifically say it orbits Threshold; just say they all orbit some planet or another on a lagrange point. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">G</font><font color="#770000"><sup>ü</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">é</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>ß</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">Ł</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>¥</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">∏</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>é</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">Ґ</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>∫</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">ø</font><font color="#000066"><sub>ñ</sub></font><font color="#000000">¥</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>†</sup></font><font color="#007700">ħ</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>î</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">И</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">¥</font>]]''' 04:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
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 ==Date of Firing==
-,000 B.C.E. is stated to be the year the Halos were fired, yet on this article's page it states the year Installation 04 was created in was 98,665 BC, which is after the rings fired. So I'm confused. Can anyone  help me on this? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
+[[100,000 B.C.E.]] is stated to be the year the Halos were fired, yet on this article's page it states the year Installation 04 was created in was 98,665 BC, which is after the rings fired. So I'm confused. Can anyone  help me on this? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 14:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
-:I suppose 100,000 B.C. is too general for the page's information, the year 98,665 must be a more accurate year for when the Installations fired. File:Halopedia - Anti-Vandal Assault Corps Logo 01.PNG|25px]]Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General]]</b></font> [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk]]</font></b></sup> 11/20/2007
+:I suppose 100,000 B.C. is too general for the page's information, the year 98,665 must be a more accurate year for when the Installations fired. [[Image:Halopedia - Anti-Vandal Assault Corps Logo 01.PNG|25px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General]]</b></font> [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk]]</font></b></sup> 11/20/2007
 ==Wait, What?==
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 I've always been confused about the Halos, after fired, how can the blast wave choose between sentient life and non-sentient life?...it's so confusing. And aren't the flood infection forms sentient enough?. Why is it all other life dies in the blast but not the flood...they are a form of life. And finally, how did the Huragok survive the blast? Someone help me out here.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 15:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
-:Well, the Huragok (Engineers) are artificially created lifeforms made by the Forerunners. That's how they survived, and also why they can't be assimilated by the Flood. --User:Lordofmonsterisland
+:Well, the Huragok (Engineers) are artificially created lifeforms made by the Forerunners. That's how they survived, and also why they can't be assimilated by the Flood. --{{LordSig2}}
 Engineers are created from nanorobots forming together to form an artificial life form, they are created by the forerunner, who most likely designed the engineers to be unaffected by the halo's activation. [[User:Lovemuffin|lovemuffin]] 22:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)Lovemuffin
-The Forerunners have library on each ring that has samples of all known sentient species about to be infected and the flood well they look like crap crap monsters :) [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 04:28, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 == Interesting ==
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 Of course, if the Ark is not beyond repair, a replacement for Installation 04-B will be built, since 04-B was destroyed by being fired prematurely. Shouldn't we add this to the article? [[User:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''''X'''''</span><span style="color:#FF7518">'''''Super'''''</span><span style="color:#CE0000">'''''Gamer'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#303030">'''''Talk'''''</span>]]</sup> 23:32, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 :They implied that the Ark is pretty much destroyed. It was a good hypothesis, but we'll need more information regarding it before me mention such a thing. As of now, it is mere speculation.--[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 00:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
-Technically, the ark is not destroyed, but is heavily damaged, which has been proven. It is not such a impossibility that the Ark gradually repairs itself and then start construction on a possible Installation 04-C
 :
 :I think that it was mendicant that lead the humans to alpha halo and somehow he taped in to the pillar of autumns slipspace drive when the humans entered "random" coordinates it could have very well been part of mendicants plan but i dunno its just a theory
-::It's not really even a theory. To have a theory, you need to make a claim ''and'' produce some evidence to back it up. It doesn't have to be right. All you have is a piece of baseless speculation - we already know that Cortana used the coordinates found on a relic found at Sigma Octanus to reach Halo, instead of the "random" coordinates she was supposed to use. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:49, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
+::It's not really even a theory. To have a theory, you need to make a claim ''and'' produce some evidence to back it up. It doesn't have to be right. All you have is a piece of baseless speculation - we already know that Cortana used the coordinates found on a relic found at Sigma Octanus to reach Halo, instead of the "random" coordinates she was supposed to use. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:49, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
-===Answered===
-years later your questions have been answered with [[Halo Wars 2]] [[Installation 09]], if only I could have traveled from the future to tell you[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 08:09, 25 October 2017 (EDT)
-== Small Sun? ==
-Where exactly does anything implicate that the installation itself had a star? I thought that it shared the same star threshold orbited, not its own.--[[User talk:UNSCSILVERSTREAK|UNSCSILVERSTREAK]] 22:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
-:Where does it say that? [[User:Halofan1234|#@lof@n1234]] 23:50, 19 February 2011 (EST)
-::That part of the article is referring to the original Ringworld series, not our Halo. Larry Niven's Ringworld encircles a star - instead, the Halo Installations orbit gas giants. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 03:58, 20 February 2011 (EST)
-== Earth no longer in range? ==
-Each of the Halo Installations has a maximum range of 25,000 light years. Now, I looked up the position of Iota Horologii (the star that Threshold orbits), and discovered that it is about 50 light years from Sol. Now, this means that Installation 04 is the intstallation whose range Earth falls within. Doesn't this mean that Earth, maybe even the entire UNSC is out of range of all the other installations? --[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 13:40, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-Please state your sources.  I have a strong feeling that your calculations are bs. Vegerot goes RAWR!  [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:27, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-I don't quite see why this is a problem... Each Installation is only designed to cover a certain part of the galaxy when fired anyway. If Installation 04's range includes Earth, that would logically mean that Earth doesn't fall under the range of the other seven Installations. Does that conflict with any known information? [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 13:41, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-Here: Wikipedia, Iota Horologii, Distance from Sol, 56 light years plus or minus 0.2. Also, I didn't make calculations, I merely made a logical assumption. If some can prove me wrong, I will gladly admit it.--[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 13:44, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-To S-347: You are correct, it does not matter. Earth was never stated to be covered by Installation 04's range. It could just as easily be in the range of 05 or 03. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 13:45, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-Not really.  If there are seven Halos spread throughout the galaxy, and 04 is the closest, it is highly unlikely that one of the other installations would cover Earth instead. Vegerot goes RAWR!  [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:52, 13 November 2011 (EST)!
-:From what I recall reading, some fans used a picture of space used by Bungie to advertise the first game as a way of working out where about Soell is. I assume it was a real-life photograph with the location circled in, and that some geek worked out what star it was. If it was like that, we should take note that it may never have intended to have been the actual location of Installation 04. They could have picked any random photograph of the stars and pretended that it was the location of Installation 04; who's going to spend their time working out what picture they used? Anyway, 50 light years is rather close for a system that, based on a few sources, was unknown to the UNSC until September 2552; no one mentions that it is a star system aleady known to them.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 14:30, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-::To corroborate Forerunner's point: ''Combat Evolved'', ''Reach'', and ''Anniversary'' all show Soell to be on the outer periphery of the Milky Way. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_v57oMwcco It is so far out that] [[:File:Autumn Arrival.png|the galaxy's disk can be clearly seen]]. Soell is definitely not Iota Horologii; if it was ever meant to be, that idea was dropped during development. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 17:59, 13 November 2011 (EST)
-Hmmm, interesting. I guess I never took notice of the majority of the galaxy in the backgound of the first CE cutscene. I was probably focused on the Pillar of Autumn in the foreground. --[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 09:43, 14 November 2011 (EST)
-==Alpha Shard==
-Does anyone think that [https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/locations?page=1 "the site known as Alpha Shard"] may get its own article? We've had pages for a number of locations on Halo (the Cartographer, the Control Room, the Flood containment facility, the Library...), and for Installation 04B, so we might as well give the fragment its own page. Its story already covers more space than the events of ''Halo: CE'' do, and we're only at ''Nightfall'' Chapter 1. And the location itself could become more detailed/organized. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 02:26, 13 November 2014 (EST)
-:Good catch—at first I thought "Alpha Shard" was just a descriptive title (as in "shard of Alpha Halo") but given the quoted phrasing it's clear it's a name. And yeah a page makes sense now that there's a fair bit of info on it. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 03:05, 13 November 2014 (EST)