Editing Talk:I love bees

==Title==
Just for clarification, the game was never named "Haunted Apiary." There was a forum created for the ARG that had to give a name for it in its title, so it chose "The Haunted Apiary (aka System Peril Distributed Reflex or ilovebees)". No official title was ever given during the durration of the game, but [http://www.4orty2wo.com/casestudy_bees.html 4orty2wo] (the company that made it) now calls it "I Love Bees" on their website. During the game, no one refered to the game as "Haunted Apiary", that was just the name of a forum. It is the name of the Wikipedia page because it was thought that "Haunted Apiary" looks more official than the childish "I Love Bees." --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 18:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

==Deletion?==
:On August 9, [[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] nominated the ilovebees pages for deletion, saying: ''"I Love Bees" is fan fiction, and all related aticles are being deleted. For why, see Halopedia: Standards.'' The final descision was to keep the articles. The discussion of the nomination is below:
*'''Keep''' I do not believe ILB should be considered on the same order as fanfiction; [[4orty2wo]] was hired by Microsoft to write it, and then Bungie looked it over. Although it may be not accepted by Bungie as offical canon, this is not just something posted on fanfiction.net. ILB was a massive campaign to promote Halo 2 publicity, therefore it has relevence in this wiki. Recent interviews say that while Bungie is a fan of Nylund's novels, they were going to rewrite the story of how Johnson escaped from the Flood in the graphic novel; does this mean that First Strike should also be considered fanfiction and removed from Halopedia? Also, the ''Dead or Alive'' crossover makes direct references to the ILB plotline, as well as a page in the gallery of the graphic novel. Whether or not these offshoots may be considered official canon, I believe that because Bungie was officially involved in the development, they have relevence here. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 09:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I agree with Dragonclaws. Although I have not researched ILB in great detail, it has been stated that it was a Microsoft/Bungie sponsered production designed to promote Halo 2, similar to how the Cortana letters promoted Halo: CE. The deletion of ALL ILB content would be a mistake. --[[User:CrzyAznSprtn|CrzyAznSprtn]] 13:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I agree  there is no real reason to delete the article on ILB if Wikipedia has one why not us after all we are the Halo Wiki     -[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 19:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''ILB was paid for by Microsoft to promote Halo it and other ILB articles shouldn't be deleted. --[[User:210.174.41.209|210.174.41.209]] 15:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I removed the deletion template because it is agreed that ILB is NOT a fanfiction, contrary to what RelentlessRogue thinks. There are many facts taht state ILB was sponsored by Bungie and by Microsoft to promote Halo 2. Therefore, this is not a reason for deleted. --[[User:CrzyAznSprtn|CrzyAznSprtn]] 15:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
**[[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] actually put the delete template on all ILB pages.   So since its decided to keep ILB we need to remove all his delete templates. {{unsigned|210.174.41.209}}
*'''Keep''' I agree that ILB is not fanfiction and should be kept on Halopedia as it is part of the Halopedia Universe. --[[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 03:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''KEEP''' If all related links from I love bees is too be deleted you might as well delete all the links from all the novels. From what I understand the reason for deleating is because it is related to a fan fiction. Since all the Halo novels would have to be written by a fan you can call it a fan fiction. So if you delete all links from ilovebees then delete all the links from there as well. {{unsigned|205.188.116.66}}
*'''POINT SET MATCH''' - The people of Bungie did not originally consider this to be official Canon for Halo, since 4orty 2wo was basically allowed to do whatever they wanted with the game. However, in the 7/28/06 edition of the 1up show, Bungie employee Frankie stated that Ilovebees was being "embraced as canon" by Bungie.   The video can be viewed at the 1up show site or by copying this link and fastforwarding to the 27min mark: mms://zdmedia.wmod.llnwd.net/a111/o1/1UP/1upshow_0307_320x180.wmv -- [[User:210.174.41.209|210.174.41.209]] 07:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
*Even if its already decided, my $.02, '''KEEP''' as many have said Bungie embraces it as canon, and some parts have been included in story, i.e. Johnson being a Spartan 1.--[[User:Vlad3163|Vlad3163]] 07:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

==Hurricane==
:Lulz "Dude, it's a hurricane. Put the phone down" xD

== Cleanup ==

A request for cleanup, eh? Could anyone give me some pointers as to what exactly needs to be cleaned up? Thanks. [[User:The 888th Avatar|<span style="color:blue;">The 888th Avatar</span>]] [[User_talk:The 888th Avatar|<sup><span style="color:blue;">(Talk)</span></sup>]] 11:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Well, personally I'm not sure it adequately explains the subject. Some of the background stuff seems more like it describes the mechanics of the game rather than what it basically was. It's a very complex subject and hard to describe thoroughly. This is probably the issue. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 19:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== I love Bees is now Officially NOT CANON ==

I reference this interview with Joe Staten: http://halostory.bungie.org/staten102204.html
"HSP: If you were to define what is and isn't Halo story canon, would the I Love Bees stuff make the cut?

JS: The Bees would not make the cut.

Those guys basically did their own thing with very little Bungie input (save for massaging and approving the initial plot-treatment). While we helped define the boundaries of their fiction, we let them do what they thought best. And I think the game turned out great."

As far as keeping it in Halopedia, we should most certainly clearly mark I Love Bees articles with the disclaimer that information contained is Not Canon.
[[User talk:TailSpin|TailSpin]] 21:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

:Now? That's an old interview. It is noted in the Canon? section of this article, as well as a later quote from Frank O'Connor that it is being "embraced as canon". --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 22:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

What purpose did i love bees ever serve for the Halo canon? It doesn't seem to bear much, if any relevance at all to the series. I don't know a great deal about it, but I think it's very out of place in the Halo context.[[Special:Contributions/76.119.65.146|76.119.65.146]] 08:29, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

:It's a sidestory initially created to not be canon. It was, however, officially produced, canon or no. The Dead or Alive crossover, also not canon, seems to exist in the same universe. Now certain little parts of the story are being "embraced as canon". Optican, of Halo 3: ODST, was first mentioned in i love bees, for instance. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 08:49, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly. Just look at the Halo Encyclopedia. As flawed as it is, it very intentionally includes numerous elements from i love bees.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">''' - '''</span>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' 112 '''</span>]] 16:37, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

== Countdown change? ==

according to this article
http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/29/us-cities-play-host-to-suspected-halo-4-ar-game/
the countdown changed, but it's still the same for me. {{Unsigned|ArchedThunder}}
:That's weird, remember to sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> please. [[User:Halofan1234|PRESIDENT]][[User talk:Halofan1234|1234]] 19:29, 4 July 2011 (EDT)

== Confirmed canon ==

Frankie has confirmed its place in canon, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPeMxbvCjYo&feature=channel_video_title That video has a few interesting pieces of info including the confirmation--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 01:03, 27 November 2011 (EST)

:[[#I_love_Bees_is_now_Officially_NOT_CANON|Refer to this discussion]]. The basic rundown is that some of it is canon, some of it is not. Frankie was most likely referring to the ones that don't contradict others.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 06:41, 27 November 2011 (EST)

==Image==
I'm starting to doubt the veracity of the image of kids at a payphone as depicting ILB players engaged in the ARG. It comes from a brief news video covering ILB that I believe was originally aired on G4. I'm starting to wonder if those kids were actually players or just the news crew's kids, called over to a payphone to get a shot. It's not like news shows don't do that kind of thing to create B-roll where none exists. ILB was a really dense game involving actual footwork to make it to payphones listed as GPS coordinates. While there are certainly younger kids (what are they, ten to twelve?) who are capable of that, it seems like the vast majority of ILB players were adults, and those seem like the ones who would be scouting out the payphones. Notably, Wikipedia's ILB page shows adults crowded around a payphone. What's everyone's thoughts on this? --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#800080">Dragon<font color="#DE397E">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#6600D8">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:37, 31 January 2015 (EST)

:Agreed. The Wikipedia image is verified as being of ILB players. Beyond that, as you said, it's also more representative of the average ILB player. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:04, 31 January 2015 (EST)
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	I'm starting to doubt the veracity of the image of kids at a payphone as depicting ILB players engaged in the ARG. It comes from a brief news video covering ILB that I believe was originally aired on G4. I'm starting to wonder if those kids were actually players or just the news crew's kids, called over to a payphone to get a shot. It's not like news shows don't do that kind of thing to create B-roll where none exists. ILB was a really dense game involving actual footwork to make it to payphones listed as GPS coordinates. While there are certainly younger kids (what are they, ten to twelve?) who are capable of that, it seems like the vast majority of ILB players were adults, and those seem like the ones who would be scouting out the payphones. Notably, Wikipedia's ILB page shows adults crowded around a payphone. What's everyone's thoughts on this? --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws\|<font color="#800080">Dragon<font color="#DE397E">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws\|<font color="#6600D8">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:37, 31 January 2015 (EST)		I'm starting to doubt the veracity of the image of kids at a payphone as depicting ILB players engaged in the ARG. It comes from a brief news video covering ILB that I believe was originally aired on G4. I'm starting to wonder if those kids were actually players or just the news crew's kids, called over to a payphone to get a shot. It's not like news shows don't do that kind of thing to create B-roll where none exists. ILB was a really dense game involving actual footwork to make it to payphones listed as GPS coordinates. While there are certainly younger kids (what are they, ten to twelve?) who are capable of that, it seems like the vast majority of ILB players were adults, and those seem like the ones who would be scouting out the payphones. Notably, Wikipedia's ILB page shows adults crowded around a payphone. What's everyone's thoughts on this? --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws\|<font color="#800080">Dragon<font color="#DE397E">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws\|<font color="#6600D8">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:37, 31 January 2015 (EST)

	:Agreed. The Wikipedia image is verified as being of ILB players. Beyond that, as you said, it's also more representative of the average ILB player. -- [[User:Morhek\|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306\|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306\|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:04, 31 January 2015 (EST)		:Agreed. The Wikipedia image is verified as being of ILB players. Beyond that, as you said, it's also more representative of the average ILB player. -- [[User:Morhek\|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306\|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306\|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 20:04, 31 January 2015 (EST)