Editing Talk:Honor Guard Councilor

==Helmet variations==
"Councilor helmet, Rtas 'Vadum's face, red lights on body armor" should read "Ultra helmet"; saying "Councilor helmet" on that line is a mistake, correct? Or can it also appear with Rtas's face and a Councilor helmet, meaning there are 5 variations rather than just the 4 listed?

==Upload==
I had to upload the image 3 times whats up with that? --[[User:T3rr0r|T3rr0r]] 10:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


==Deleteion==
This article needs to be deleted.

The trivia is wrong. Its not a secret thing, and its not leaked.
The explanation is here:
http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=756168

Ins imple words, the game simply doesnt know WHICH of the pieces its supposed to use so it just puts a bunch of what ever it can together.


If there was a hidded variation I would have posted it on HBO long ago. The only unued variation of anything is the Shielded variation of the Flood Carrier Form.

To those of you saying "Well maybe it IS a leaked unfinished thing, it isnt. It does not work like that. I hate to sound like a know-it-all but thats just hos it is in the tag. There is no other hidden who-ha about it.
--[[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 00:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

'''KEEP''' Not to disargee with what you've stated about the fictional Councillor character, i don't think this should be deleted. This is still an enemy you must face in order to win, so even if it's a 'game created' elite, it shouldn't be deleted.
--[[User:Donut THX 1138|Shch &#39;Nodotee]] 22:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


'''KEEP''' but the article should be changed to emphasize that the Elite model was not intentional, and let's not pretend its officialy part of the Halo universe. -[[User:ED|ED]] 23:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:: That works too. And the trivia is ''still'' wrong, to whoever edited it back. --[[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 12:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright, so who was he intended to be? A Councilor? A Honor Guard Ultra? Just an Ultra? Or a Spec-Ops Commander?--[[User:Lieutenant Alan|Lieutenant Alan]] 06:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:A Zealot, I believe. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 09:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::So we need to delete the entire article because one of the trivia is wrong [[User talk:Kaeleth|Kaeleth]] 06:34, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
:::Why you have to comment on a three-year old post.... it's just beyond me... >.< - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 06:44, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

==Changed==
I have completely rewritten the article per the infor on the link provided by Dojorkan. -[[User:ED|ED]] 21:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== Image:Councillor.jpg ==

File:Councillor.jpg|150px]]

Should we put this image on this page? --[[User:Donut THX 1138|'''Councilor 'Nodotee''']] File:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [[User talk:Donut THX 1138 |<sup>[BattleNet]</sup>]] 04:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

:That's just a regular Councillor, so I say not. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">g<sup>u</sup>e<sub>s</sub>t<sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">p<sub>e</sub>r<sup>s</sup>o<sub>n</sub>y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green"><sup>t</sup>h<sub>i</sub>n<sup>g</sup>y</font>]]'''<font color="purple"><sup>I too am an AI... my owner's name is [[User:RelentlessRecusant|Supreme Honcho.]]</sup></font> 04:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that's the glitch. If you click on the image to relarge it, you can see it has Honor Guard attachments. --[[User:Donut THX 1138|'''Councilor 'Nodotee''']] File:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [[User talk:Donut THX 1138 |<sup>[BattleNet]</sup>]] 04:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah, we already have that version up. I dont think we should upload all the different versions either since there are at least 12 combinations.
four different helmets, (Honor Guard, Councilor, normal, and Councilor with normal helmet's texture.) Then the two faces (Normal and Half-Jaw)

== Changing forms ==

when i fight him he is a Counciler honor guard with no helmet, then an ultra, then a ultra with honor guard helmet the question is: WHAT THE??? [[user:the evil O,malley]]
:Dude. The article. Read it. We've all esablished that. --[[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 02:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Hmm... ==

I was thinking, if the character was canon (this is all speculative here), and it's armor was specifically the councilor's helmet and the honor guard armor, one could say that it was the representative for the honor guard to the council considering the honor guard are the protectors of the council. That, or he's just the head commander of the honor guard. Just some thoughts.

:Problem is, it isn't canon and never was. -[[User:216.234.126.150|216.234.126.150]] 19:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::Exactly! --<b>[[User:ED/Gaming|<font color="black">DEMON</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">SPAWN</font>]][[User:ED|<font color="blue">ED</font>]]</b> 16:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Another fun thought is, if it -was- canon (just saying hypothetically) since the ones in the Sacred Icon cutscene wore Major plating under their decorative honor guard attachments, they could be assumed to be elevated in rank once they become honor guards. Since Councilor is the highest rank, if this wasn't some crappy bug it would be logical to say that guy is the highest ranking elite, possibly their leader. [[User:70.130.40.33|70.130.40.33]] 09:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The Honor guard were created to protect high ranking members of the covenant, more specifically, Council members. You can't be assigned to protect yourself, that's stupid to even toy with the idea of this being cannon. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 01:13, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

If the Prophets were in the tower past the Mausoleum, why didn't the group of elites with the glitch guy go after them instead of trying to stop John from getting to them? They could have murdered Truth and Mercy and just finished it there. They would probably have gotten killed by Tartarsauce soon after, but oh well.

==My HGC==
Mine always comes up exactly the same, everytime I play the game. It's a Councillor with Honor Guard attachments, the Coucillor helmet and Half-Jaw's jaw. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 14:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
:On my copy of Halo 2 vista, I've seen the elite with all three helmets on, its really quite interesting. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]]File:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 15:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
My Honor Guard Councillor doesn't have the helmet of the one on the screenshot of the article (See below). Anyboby knows why??? 
File:GravemindHonorGuardCouncillor.JPG|left|thumb|166px]]
User:Elite_Councillor_27
18:58, 2 November 2007
On MY copy of Halo 2 Vista, the elite spawned Half-Jaw's FULL face once, Ultra helmet, 2 missing jaws, AND green eyes. I have heard of the other things but I have never heard of anyone else seeing green eyes on this thing?--[[Special:Contributions/63.26.127.238|63.26.127.238]] 23:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

==Guess==
Ok if anybody notices on the level Gravemind that as you fight through the level you see lots of elites wearing honor guard armor somtimes without a helmet maybe those elites just took honor guard armor from a dead brute or elite and put it on for better protection. My guess is that the Honor Guard Councillor is just a Councillor Elite who put honor guard armor on for better protection but maybe it is a glitch.[[User:Yuhi33|Yuhi33]] 00:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:Unlikely. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]]File:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 01:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::I hardly think so. I believe the Elite you are talking about is the [[Honor Guard Ultra]]. --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font> <font color="gray">23</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub>  [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Blemo <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]</sub></small> • <sub><small>[http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=Blemo+23 <font color="A9A9A9">SERVICE RECORD</font>]</small></sub> 02:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==This is odd==

I have found him wearing a Ranger or Arbiter helmet before. [[User:Xenomorph Lord|XenoLord]]

== Trivia ==

Anybody notice that the head sometimes bears a resemblance to the Alien Queen seen in AVP and Alien 2? [[User talk:Solo1234|Solo1234]] 10:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

==Halo Encyclopedia Trickery==

[[File:Honor Guard Ultra.JPG|thumb|left|100px|Fake Honour Guard Ultra]][[File:Honor Guard Councilor.jpg|thumb|left|100px|Fake Councilor]]

Both of these images were featured in the Halo Encyclopedia as supposedly the Honour Guard Ultra and Councilor, it made no mention that they were glitched. Obviously this is wrong, but I thought I'd just point it out. Maybe it should be mentioned in the trivia somewhere. They're not the only instance of incorrect information sadly, the Rogue MJOLNIR article in the Halo Encyclopedia has an image of the Scout MJOLNIR variant, even despite the Scout variant article and correct image appearing right next to it. But nevermind. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 17:34, December 31, 2009 (UTC)



: I have noticed this also. But do we even know for certian that these aren't real ranks? the article hear only says that they "can be attributed" to a glitch, it does not give a defintive satement that they are. If you ask me, Xytan'jar Wattinree's  armor from Ghosts of Onyx sounds a lot like a honor guard councilor. [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 22:01, March 22, 2010 (UTC)


::Well even if they are real ranks in canon, a The instance of the dude at the end of Gravemind isn't supposed to be one. Or any other elites spawned by mods that have random armor. Even marines can spawn with random armor if I asked the game to spawn a marine rank that didn't exist in that map. --[[User talk:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 15:25, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like more evidence they just took stuff from Halopedia and didn't bother with real research. I'd regard the Halo Encyclopedia as a sketchy Halopedia substitute. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 11:09, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I would really like to believe this is not canon.  But, like Halo: Reach, there are things that may seem non-canon but we just have to suck it up and believe it.  1st of all, if we say this is non-canon then we must say the same for the Flood Juggernaut (which I would like NOT to happen, as the Flood Juggernaut is so cool).  Okay now it's time for my REAL, fact provided defense: In the final Halo Wars cutscene we see SPARTANs -130, -042, and -092 (iirc) battling a group of Honor Guards that look like Minors.  Now, if you read my post (on I think it's the Halo: Reach page) you would see that we can't call something a retcon, artistic license, or non-canon just because we don't like it.  So, from this cutscene we see that there are... are... ranks within the Honor Guards (it hurts me just to propose this, because, as I said, I REALLY don't want this to be canon).  So if there are minors, why can't there be Ultras?  Or Councilors that have been specifically assigned to protect the Prophets?  As with the random armor?  Just a thing added by Bungie do make some diversity.  For example, I've seen Marines with random (not actually random armor pieces, but when I play a level there might be a normal marine, and I could restart the level and it would be a Major Marine) armor before, just because Bungie doesn't want the same thing over and over again.

P.S. I know this is a bump, but it's relevant and adds new information to the conversation.  So I believe it's an exception. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  11:01, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

Guys, this is important to the article so I would appreciate it if you would respond. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  16:38, 21 April 2011 (EDT)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If nobody responds I'm gonna start making changes to the article that no one (not even me) will like! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  19:19, 15 May 2011 (EDT)!

== Featured Article? ==
I propose we remove this as I featured article.  It may be good.  But Featured articles are supposed to be articles that say, "Hey, this is what happens when all the great minds on this Wiki come together to make something great!" We wouldn't want to give a newcomer a bad first impression that this is the best we got. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  10:46, 14 April 2011 (EDT)!!!!!!!

==Fixed for 360?==
It seems that this glitch has been fixed for the Xbox 360. Every time i've played this level on the 360 (alot!) he has spawned with the Honor Guard Ultra body and standard Honor Guardsman helmet. Additionally in the changing of the Guard cutscene, an Honor Guard Ultra is seen relinquishing his helmet to a brute, but on closer inspection, the helmet he gives to the brute is red! So to me it seems like he's now an Honor Guard Ultra, but they didn't bother to make white Honor Guard helmets. Any ideas?--[[User talk:TK 234|One  who survived]] 11:08, 17 June 2012 (EDT)

== Canon ==

It was featured in the Halo Encyclopedia. Forgive me, i'm not too up to date on the technical aspects of Halo canon (even though I have been a fan for over 10 years) but does this mean the Honor Guard Councilor is canon now?[[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 17:14, 26 March 2014 (EDT)
:It is canon as long as it is not contradicted by a previously established source.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 10:47, 27 March 2014 (EDT)
And I've yet to see them mentioned in any higher source like books or games, so I guess by default they are canon. Cool, thanks![[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 12:12, 27 March 2014 (EDT)
:It is as canon as the [[scarab gun]]; both are not canon. They are content not meant to be taken as canon. Editors of the Encyclopaedia simply mistook them after much reference to the old Halopedia in '08. A glaring mistake, so you will. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:12, 27 March 2014 (EDT)