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The media embargo has been lifted. --[[User talk:Halo face|Halo face]] 09:31, 5 March 2012 (EST)


== Falcon in Halo 4? ==
== Note to all editors ==


I don't believe it is a good idea to jump to conclusions so quickly that the Falcon is in Halo 4. Simple concept art does not always portray accurate information. For example, this concept art shows a banshee flying around:  
Remember to follow the Citation tag at the top of the page when adding new information.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}


[http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Halo-4-Concept-Art-2.jpg]
:Also note that this article and anything related to it will be under strict supervision from the Patrollers and Administration team. Try to avoid edit-warring; failing that, protection will be implemented and users might get blocked.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:47, 5 March 2012 (EST)


As you can tell, this is not the same banshee as seen in any of the released game play videos of Halo 4. The same goes for the Falcon. We have not seen any game play of it, therefore, it cannot be confirmed, and should not be on Halo 4's vehicle list until confirmed.
== Mecha from the recent trailer ==
Is that really a Cyclops, as it's stated in the article now? It seems to be much bigger then the one from Halo Wars, and it could be a very different project. [[User talk:PatrickRus|PatrickRus]] 11:03, 5 March 2012 (EST)


Didn't they release an interactive guide online that has all the vehicles listed? Just checked with it and see if it is there or not. [[User talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]] 13:46, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
Were was it confirmed this was a Cyclopes any way? [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 14:22, 5 March 2012 (EST)


:Falcons can be seen clearly in the background of [[:File:H4-E3-Campaign-10.jpg|this image]]. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 13:55, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
:A number of articles and videos, including [http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/05/11-things-learned-about-halo-4/2/ this one]. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 14:27, 5 March 2012 (EST)


:Perhaps they appear only as cardboard cutouts.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 14:14, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
==Next gen. Xbox==
The first sentence in Gamplay and design mentions that the last 2 installments in the reclaimer trilogy will be on the next generation console. I visited the source and it didn't mention that. Should that be deleted or was it confirmed somewhere else?


The Falcon is definitely not in the interactive game guide, But that might simply be because the player doesn't fly them. They might simply be in the background. [[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 20:24, 4 November 2012 (EST)
:Thanks for pointing it out, I've removed it. If the information provided is unreferenced or the reference doesn't say anything of the kind, then it needs to be removed until someone can provide one. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 06:33, 6 March 2012 (EST)


::I might as well add, the UH-144 Falcon, or any Falcon aircraft thereof, is not at all mentioned anywhere in the ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guide. No mention of it anywhere. Just zip, zero, nada. I think we can all safely assume with complete confidence that the Falcon does not make a return. A pity, honestly, that it didn't return. Not even the AV-14 Hornet either! I liked using both of those aircraft. Banshees are nice, but I like Falcons and Hornets better. Oh well. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 17:12, 10 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330
== MA5 ==
There's now in game evidence for the MA5, not that I thought they'd remove the AR. First is the game mode seen in the trailer is "BR Slayer", meaning the BR is not the starting weapon. More importantly, the ammo counter on the HUD shows four bullets on the top row when the BR is full, meaning one full bar is 32 rounds. Perfect for the standard weapon. :) Also, the H4 BR's stock looks like the DMR, the pistol grip and bottom of the front end looks like the H3 BR, and the carry handle and rest of the top doesn't look very close to anything (other than being a large FAMAS style carry handle again) EDIT: Actually, in first person it reminds me a lot of Crysis's SCAR. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:10, 6 March 2012 (EST)


== After-credits speech by Didact ==
I thought it was already confirmed seeing as the figure had an MA5 rifle[[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 08:44, 6 March 2012 (EST)


It mentions in this article that the speech that the Didact gives happens following the events of Halo 4, and assumes it is him vowing further action on humanity.  After hearing it a couple of times, I am now convinced that this speech actually is from the Didact speaking to the ecumene counsel regarding is punishments to prehistoric humans in the aftermath of the Forerunner-Human war more than 100,000 years ago.  Evidence includes him citing victory (against prehistoric humans, because surely what happened at the end of Halo 4 was not a victory).  He also uses plural pronouns when referencing Forerunners, and furthermore uses "we" and "our" as if he is talking to other Forerunners, which would be unlikely in 2557.  Overall, when taking it from that context, it makes much more sense.  The article should be changed to reflect this, and should not make the assumption of saying that the Didact apparently survived based on the fact that he gives this speech. - Extron
:True, but I was just pointing out some in-game stuff. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:21, 6 March 2012 (EST)
::Wouldn't BR Slayer mean ''Battle Rifle Slayer'', and why would it not be the starting weapon if that is what the name of the game is?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}


:It depends. The parts about "I stand before you" does sound like a council or trial, but the part of "We squander eons in the darkness, while they seize our triumphs for their own" sounds like after the Halos' firing. It's hard to be sure. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 03:22, 11 November 2012 (EST)
I think he ment that if there's BR slayer then that would be a speciel type of slayer therefore normal slayer would have AR as starter. [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 17:08, 6 March 2012 (EST)


Though I do admit that line is a bit harder to understand, I would still posit that the majority of the lines make much more sense under the context of the Didact before the events of Halo 4.  There are many more lines that don't make sense if he was speaking after the events of Halo 4 than lines that don't make sense if he was speaking to the ecumene council after the Human-Forerunner war.  For example, in 2557, who would be accusing him of sin? - Extron
== More Screenshots ==
:I agree. I was going to make a similar post before seeing yours. I also think that the speech took place some time before the Didact was imprisoned. Since it's not 100% clear though, I think the article should be changed so that it does not make an implication one way or the other.--[[User talk:Olanmills|olanmills]] 03:51, 26 November 2012 (EST)
I have a quick question. I know we have several development screenshots posted under the article (others posted under "Making Halo 4: First Look" article) but should a seperate page be made for more screenshots (similar to the concept art)? This [http://www.computerandvideogames.com/338472/halo-4-84-gameplay-screenshots/ site] has 84 screenshots available. Just a quick thought. [[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 17:07, 7 March 2012 (EST)


it does seem very likely but however if you do an analysis of what the didact says during the cutscene on the level forerunner he not only talks to the chief, he also talks to the librarian, well parts of his little speech is directed to her. So what the didact says during the last scene of halo 4 may be before or after the events, we do not know but we can only speculate, we may find out in later forms of media or will have to wait till halo 5 [[User:SPARTAN-225|S225]] 01:03 27th November 2012 (PST)
Well on that sight it's like stop motion of the game play. There are 3 shots of the spartan 4 of at slightly different angles.{{Unsigned|Jac0bBau3r1995}}
:[[:Category:Development images of Halo 4|We have a page for the images]].--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}


==The ''Halo 4'' Official Game Guide==
== Covie, and assassinations are back and  the Cyclopes is only scenery  ==


Shouldn't we now have a page for the ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guide, since it has already come out in stores? I got my copy at Wal-Mart for 10x4, a limited collector's edition. I did see some regular ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guides for 25. But I assume you all must already know this. So should we now include a new article for the game guide, too? Seeing as I own a copy, I should be the one to write the article, but I'm honestly not sure I'd do a very good job of it. If anyone else also owns it besides myself could write it, then all the better, I suppose. Still, if no one doesn't, or if they do, but don't want to do it, I suppose I'll have to man up and do it myself. Just be forewarned: as I've said, I might not do a very good job. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 20:36, 11 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330
Waypoint! http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/03/08/The-Halo-Bulletin-30712.aspx [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 02:20, 8 March 2012 (EST)


== Cairo Station ==
== Edit Conflict ==


I just added Cairo Station to the Locations list, but i dont have a source. It is mentioned by one of the computers aboard the Infinity during Shutdown. Just go and press "x" on them, i think its the farthest one that will first mention something about information and departure, later something about War Games, and finally will mention Cairo Station. BTW, i am not sure if that even counts as an appearace, but deleted in case is not supposed to be there. [[User talk:Siul S-249|Siul S-249]] 20:13, 16 November 2012 (EST)
per above, seriously check these close-up images of Master Chief holding the BR. you started the edit-war and have no legitimate reason to undo my edits. [[User:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:18px;">HA</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:15px;">came</span>]] 17:05, 8 March 2012 (EST)
:{{Quote|This article is about an upcoming game. Editors must cite sources for all contributions to this article. Edits that do not follow this standard will be reverted without notice. For more information, see the [[Halopedia:Citation Policy|Citation Policy]].|Template at the top of the page.}}
:Follow the rules and it will stay.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
::i've already provided the source. I don't know how to add it in since it appears weird in preview. since you started this stupid edit-war, you should add it in as you now know what the source is. learn to make proper edits. don't remove/undo legitimate edits.[[User:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:18px;">HA</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:15px;">came</span>]] 17:09, 8 March 2012 (EST)
:::I was removing them because you weren't following the rules. And seriously? Don't ever talk down to anyone.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
[[File:H4 chief edit.png|thumb|right|150px]]
::::Since you are currently enforcing this policy on me, why not do the right thing and fix it for me? Being a "veteran" member, I thought that's what they should do... not simply undoing and just spout out "blah blah blah learn this policy". The citation policy page has nothing on how to add in a citation for images (don't know how to make it into a link.. it's showing a big image under the references section). And I will only talk down on people (not to the point of harassing them) if they do not have legitimate reason on undoing my edit.[[User:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:18px;">HA</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:15px;">came</span>]] 17:16, 8 March 2012 (EST)
:::::Okay, gents, let's put an end to this. The citation that is needed can be seen within the black box in the photo on the right.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 17:24, 8 March 2012 (EST)
::::::@''Hacame'': <rant>I did have a good reason to revert your edit. It's called following the rules stated at the top of the page. Furthermore, I did not have time fix it as I had prior obligations in my own life that I had attend to. Did you see my first comment? I gave you a link to a page that would help you put a citation in the article. The tag says that edits that don't follow the policy will be reverted without notice.</rant>  '''Edit''': You started the edit war, just look at the page history. Also do you really expect me to help you when you send me a message saying "effing help me"?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}


== The Ships that Pop Up during Midnight ==
*Not to be jumping in the middle of this "war" but I find it inappropriate to be using anyone's username in a title for discussion especially for this reason. It's almost as if ''Spartacus'' is being put on blast. I recommend the title be changed to "Edit Conflict", or something of that nature. Just my suggestion. I may change the title later today if no one else does. If you find that to be problematic or unnecessary let me know. I feel it should be changed.--[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 12:54, 9 March 2012 (EST)
:Yeah I agree. I changed it. This edit war is over now, by the way.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
::Kool. The situation goes back to what ''subtank'' said at the top. Whatever the case lets move on. --[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 14:54, 9 March 2012 (EST)


I'm reffering to the ones that were engaging the Didact's ship during the final part of the Broadsword section. Does anyone know what they are? Are they Frigates, Destroyers, Something Else entirely? [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 20:49, 25 November 2012 (EST)
== Year ==
:I noticed a few ships that looked like something entirely new, but they most likely were Charon-class frigates (H4 version). Also noticed them being destroyed. However it was only at a glance being that I was busy twisting and turning as I was trying to destroy the particle cannons & dodge gunfire from the point defense guns. Sucks that theater mode doesn't work for campaign anymore. Damn you 343i! Now we have to use a VHS, camcorder, or phone cam to record our campagin vids!--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:30, 29 November 2012 (EST)
::I heard they were working on putting theater in Campaign, but until they do, I share your frustration.[[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 13:43, 29 November 2012 (EST)
:For anyone unaware of what we're talking about, there were at least four types of spacecraft in ''Midnight''. The Broadswords and modified ''Charons'' are the most obvious, the more "flat" looking ships (possibly destroyers), and ships just slightly larger than fighters buzzing around the surrounding battles (prowlers/corvettes?). {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
The communications tell me at least one Super MAC station was involved. Which one or any others is unclear. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:18, 29 November 2012 (EST)
:I derped around in Midnight a bit. The ship that flies parallel to the "sphincter" exit is NOT a Charon-class. Wrong bow. The Charon-class still has a forked bow; this had a flat-ish bow and antennae on the ventral portion of the bow. It also lacked the port and starboard sidepanels of the Charon-class. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 02:18, 22 December 2012 (EST)
::The fourth one below is the class I was talking about. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 12:47, 23 December 2012 (EST)
:Here's a few pics of the ships that I tried to capture. Unfortunately since we don't have theater mode for campaign I couldn't get anything clear enough to post on the article itself, but I'll be working on getting something soon, just have to either hook up the good old VCR or use my camera's mini tripod. The first one is flat looking and something new, the next two look like Charon-class, while the third looks like a cross between the Infinity and the Halcyon (spelling) class (also they were firing blue-colored bolts at the Didact's ship):
File:Dakota 1.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 2.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 3.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 4.jpg|200px]]
--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:00, 22 December 2012 (EST)


::First pic is a new class. Second one is potentially Charon. Looks about right, but the bow doesn't appear to be forked. None in the third are Charon (i.e. a new class). Charon has two engines and is bulkier, those have only one and are sticks. (Stalwart revamp?), fourth is another new class. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 12:52, 23 December 2012 (EST)
Since it was stated that the games takes place 5 years after the end of Halo 3 it would be approximately 2558 (2553 + 5 = 2558). So with that being said should the actual year of the game be added to the article somewhere and also added to the [[Halopedia:Timeline| Timeline]]? Or would it be best to wait till 343 states it's 2558? --[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 10:07, 10 March 2012 (EST)
:Wait until 343i says so.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
Actually 343i stated that Cortana is 7 years old in Halo 4. She was "born" in 2549. This places the game in Fall 2556-2557, shortly or sometime after Origins.
Now according to Kiki Wolfkill, the game takes place 5 years after Halo 3. This places the game in 2557. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/interview-story-halo-4/727566
[[user talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinosupremacist]]
:Okay, it can can be 2557 if we consider December 11, 2552, the date of the last battle in Halo 3 and supposibly when MC entered the cryo tube. You add 5 years to that and you get December 11, 2557 (Which can still be 2558 since January is right around the coner). However, to me the true ending of Halo 3 was March 3, 2553, when the memorial service was held. Add 5 years to that and you get March 3, 2558. So I belive Halo 3 ended in 2553, not 2552 as your implying. --[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 16:50, 18 March 2012 (EDT)
Just because it's 5 years after the Chief went into cryo doesn't mean that it will take place 2556-2557. For all we know there could be some slipspace time travel stuff where the Chief was sent back into the past and Halo 4 takes place in 2553. [[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]


:::The 2nd and 3rd pics are the same ships, just taken from a different angle. I believe they lack bulk and two engines because it may have been too much texture size/memory trying to have these multiple 1600+ ft long ships flying around at close range, so they reduced size and bulk to relieve memory. So it looks like a Charon but lacks the mass & engine count. But that's just a quick guess from a gameplay standpoint.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 15:44, 23 December 2012 (EST)
== Release Date ==
The second and third could possibly be new ships entirely cause once you first go into infinity multiplayer the Charon class ships look like well what they look like, if they were these new ones from the level midnight they would have been rendered that way [[User:SPARTAN-225|S225]] 12:30am 25th December 2012 (GMT)
:::Replayed Midnight. Spent a good 10-15 flying around looking at the ships. The "antenna" ship appears to have two primary engines and four secondaries, arranged in pairs on either side of the mains, at an angle relative to the plane of the dorsal hull.
The "sticks" have only the one engine. --[[User:WTRiker|WTRiker]] ([[User talk:WTRiker|talk]]) 22:33, 27 December 2012 (EST)
:::Played Midnight again. Looked over the ships again. I also noticed, in the background with the Broadswords, a sort of bell-shaped capital. Charon, maybe? --[[User:WTRiker|WTRiker]] ([[User talk:WTRiker|talk]]) 02:15, 3 January 2013 (EST)


::::The bell shaped one may just be this ship considering they have a similar shape/outline. Otherwise its impossible to know as trying to fly towards them causes the BrSw to disappear or explode (kill barrier) regardless if you used the [[Midnight vacation]] glitch (tried it!).--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 20:19, 5 January 2013 (EST)
I went to GameStop today, and when I asked about preordering Halo 4, I was told that the release date was November 15, the 11th anniversary. I want to update the page, but wondered if anyone can confirm this first?--[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 21:53, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
: *[[Talk:Halo_4/Archive#Release_Date|Points]]*.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 22:22 21 March 2012 (EST)
That would just be Gamestop pulling a date out of their asses, just like they do with every game.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 15:30, 25 March 2012 (EDT)


==Co-op Play in Campaign and in Spartan Ops==
== Unnecessary Edits/ Edits Without Citations ==


While I can sorta guess who I might play as in Spartan Ops (as one of the many Spartan-IVs), I don't know who I would be playing as during cooperative campaign. I assume I'm either another Master Chief or perhaps maybe, however unlikely, a Spartan-IV. Or is there even a cooperative campaign? I hope so, at least that won't have changed since the other ''Halo'' games. So, assuming there is a cooperative campaign, who is the second, third, and fourth players, if any? --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 15:23, 2 December 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330
Like what was said [[Talk:Halo_4#Note_to_all_editors|before]] please refrain from making unnecessary edits and edits without citations/references (proof as I call it) to this article. Also remember to use the preview function before saving the page. Yes I agree the, ''UNSC Infinity'' & ''Pelicans'' will probably/most likely be in the game based off the concept art but concept art does not constitute an appearance, just wait for 343 to state its in the game. We are anxious for more info on the game but seriously, have patience. Also understand the difference between "speculation" and "facts"- "''As well when looking closely at the images of the Master Chief in halo 4 it is noteable that both of the master chief's index fingers have no armor from the second knuckle to the tip of the finger. This would fit 343's attempt at a more functional suit of a may hint at the return of the duel wielding ability into Halo 4's gameplay''" is pure speculation, has no references, doesn't use proper grammer, and shouldn't be posted. Also if it doesn't need to be fixed, leave it alone. If you are not sure if something you want to post is okay to post, then ask here. Don't just post it, or else you might start an [[Talk:Halo_4#Edit_Conflict|Edit War]]! [[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 10:03, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah, there is co-op Campaign. It's the same as ''Halo: CE'' and ''Halo 2'', where you play as a 'clone' of the Chief when canonically it's just the Chief fighting.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 15:29, 2 December 2012 (EST)
:I'd like to say, even though the dual wielding comment is pure speculation (Spartans are obviously ambidextrous), the point about the finger armour being more functional is a good one, just some real life military gloves keep the trigger finger uncovered, it helps a lot. That said, I don't think it belongs on the Halo 4 page, but could be added to this armours page once we learn it's name. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:14, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
::Any edits that are not cited '''will''' be reverted without notice. So please, cite your sources. If you do not know how to add references, please see the [[Halopedia:Citation Policy|Citation Policy]].--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 13:10 29 March 2012 (EST)
:::Just to make note to reverters (those who revert edits without citation); if you know of a citation or know how to fix the edit, please do it in instead of reverting. Just because it's not cited doesn't mean the edit should be reverted; show some discretion.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 13:54, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
::::Yeah I take responsibility for that last revert (Like I got a choice). Didn't realize what the user was trying to do until ''Spartan331'' showed me. So I'll definitely take that into account next time. --[[User talk:Killamint|Killamint]] 14:38, 29 March 2012 (EDT)


== Cut content ==
== Concept art only ==


Hey, not sure what pages this would belong on or if it would have its own page. I haven't seen it on here anywhere (though I may have just missed it) so I figured I'd put it here. http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/12/these-halo-4-armour-abilities-didnt-make-the-cut/ Two cut armour abilities from Halo 4.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 22:55, 30 December 2012 (EST)
So far several things have already been associated with Halo 4 that are not listed on this page. For example, the UNSC Infinity and the Pelican are seen associated with Halo 4. The Infinity is from the Halo 4 panel and the Pelican has been seen several times throughout concept art. While this does not officially mean that they will be in the game (though I'm sure the Pelican will be) they should at the moment be listed on the appearances like this:
*''[[UNSC Infinity]]'' {{C|Concept art only}}
*''[[Pelican]]'' {{C|Concept art only}}
They're already on the Halo 4 page in the gallery section, so why not in the appearances? [[User talk: ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
:The same reason as to why we don't include Rosenda-344 in ''Halo: Reach'' even though she's in several concept arts during the development Halo Reach. Appearances section should only be reserved for subject/objects/characters that appear in the finalised build and it should not cater for cut-content; doing so will clutter the list for things that did not appear in the finalised build. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 14:49, 2 April 2012 (EDT)


== Cite error: Invalid ==  
== Troop transport screenshot ==
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Not sure how to fix. [[Special:Contributions/72.12.219.170|72.12.219.170]] 10:16, 12 January 2013 (EST) 
<s>Should this be an acceptable source? If concept art isn't considered as concrete proof (rightly so) then how dose a blurry image of a vehicle that could be a troop transport work for a source.</s> [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 01:00, 3 April 2012 (EDT)
:I'll see what I can do about the cite error on the page.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:32, 12 January 2013 (EST)


== Split Spartan Ops content from Halo 4 ==
Actully on closer inspection of the video, when you see the side profile, it seems to have a turrent, so is it cool with everyone if I remove that? [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 01:11, 3 April 2012 (EDT)


I think the article would be better presented to readers and editors if we were to move (and add future) Spartan Ops content to the [[Spartan Ops]] article. This would improve the Spartan Ops article by providing more relevant information on the characters, locations, events, and what-not to readers. For this article, we could include something like "For a complete list of features of Spartan Ops, please visit [[Spartan Ops]]" at the beginning and/or end of the Features section. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  21:31, 4 February 2013 (EST)
You can see the words "Troop Transport" next to the hog. All other images in that particular seen are already confirmed Halo 4 material from that same video. [[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
:I was thinking the same thing for a while now. I don't have a problem with this.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 06:48, 5 February 2013 (EST)


== Doritos and Mt. Dew ==
At what time dose that image show up? The one I see has an obvious turrent on it. [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 01:37, 3 April 2012 (EDT)


Should we add a section about the double exp from the doritos and Mt. Dew? [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 00:21, 24 April 2013 (EDT)
It's right before the "Halo 4 First Look" appears. You can see various Halo 4 images such as the BR, new armor, Spartan-IV, etc. [[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
:I figured that it would have been in the article already. I think it would be within the article's scope to have a mention of it in the article. Then we could use the Main Article template for those who want to read it's [[Unlock & Load Double XP|article]].--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:11, 24 April 2013 (EDT)


==Xbox One and ''Halo 4''==
== Mark VI, Unnamed MJOLNIR variant and new unnamed weapons ==


Hey, I was just wondering if ''Halo 4'' would be re-released for Xbox One. Is there any information on that? Because if it is, that would be really cool. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 18:47, 21 May 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
I have a couple of suggestions for new articles.
:If it really isn't backwards compatible with XBox 360 then they'll have to if they want to continue Spartan Ops. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 20:02, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
343i has stated that the Chief gets new armor. So at the moment there should be a page about the new armor system. While I firmly believe it's the Mark VII, it should be named "Unnamed MJOLNIR system" or something like that.
::At present there are no plans for another season of Spartan Ops on the 360. When season 2 does come, it will be in ''Halo 5'', not ''Halo 4''. Because the system won't be backwards compatible, it would essentially require the same effort as porting it to the PC, which would divert manpower away from the next ''Halo'' title, or else require them to use a third-party studio to do the job. The two consoles will also use different versions of Xbox LIVE, meaning online play won't cross platforms. This would effectively split the community as early adopters switch to the new console, while others continue to play on the 360. 343 has already shown they don't like doing this, which is why they chose to use ''Halo: Reach'''s multiplayer for ''Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary''. So, short answer: No. There has been no information on any ''Halo 4'' re-release, and in my opinion, that's because there won't be one, at least not any time soon.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 21:02, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
Also I have discovered two new weapons that are in the First Look trailer. Since they don't have names right now they should at least have articles on them. The "explosive pistol" already has an article. [[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
:::Well, maybe there might be some kind of patch then. I have actually played Xbox games on an Xbox 360, games like ''Halo 2'' and stuff. Very possibly. But it seems there neither any confirmations or denials of any kind. But of course this is entirely speculation. But it would certainly be nice if it was re-released. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 21:19, 21 May 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
Has it been confirmed that Spartan Ops won't be coming back on 360? The way I understood it was that Spartan Ops was going to take up the time between the games and the games were going to come out every two years. So if that is accurate there is all the time between now and fall of next year for season two and maybe even a third to come out if second season comes out this fall and season three in the summer then four five and six can fill the gap between Halo 5 and 6. [[User:TLLorax|TLLorax]] ([[User talk:TLLorax|talk]]) 21:30, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
:[http://blogs.halowaypoint.com/Headlines/post/2013/03/28/The-Halo-Bulletin-32813.aspx The Halo Bulletin 3.28.2013]: ''"There is no “Season 2” of Spartan Ops scheduled at the moment, but rest assured the story of Crimson, the Infinity and those characters and events is far from over. - Frank"''. They really wrapped things up nicely/wrote themselves into a corner by destroying Requiem, and with it nearly all of the in-game environments. They'd need to start from scratch for a new season, setting up a whole new location for the conflict. Any time they spend on that is time not spent on ''Halo 5'', and they've already got a pretty tight deadline on ''5''. Remember that Bungie had 3 full years between their proper installments (not including ''ODST'', which reused the engine and assets from ''3''). If we're correct, and the next ''Halo'' is scheduled for Q4 2014, that means 343 is being asked to create a whole new game on a whole new console in only 2 years. That's a pretty tall order. That's why I think they pushed out the map packs so quickly. The last ''Halo 3'' map pack was released two years after the game. ''Reach'''s Anniversary pack was 14 months after the game. Yet 343 released all 3 of ''Halo 4''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s packs in just 5 months. I believe that's because they immediately started on ''Halo 5''. I'm not saying definitively that there will be no ''Halo 4'' on the Xbox One, or that there will be no second season of Spartan Ops for ''Halo 4''. I'm just saying, "Don't hold your breath."--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 22:40, 21 May 2013 (EDT)


==Halol==
:Frankie has [http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/19161/Halo+4%3A+Frank+O%27Connor+Interview/ stated] that the fictional explanation for the "new" armor won't be as major as a switch of generation. That, along with information from the ''Halo 4'' art director in a bulletin from a while ago suggests it's merely a redesign of the Mark VI, even if there's some kind of a canon explanation thrown in. Regardless, it's pointless to make a new article about it yet. We've done fine without one so far, so a few months' wait won't really matter. Besides, I don't see the point in more articles about "unnamed thing x", saying nothing more than "Not much is known about this other that it may or may not appear in ''Halo 4''." --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 3 April 2012 (EDT)
I was wondering wether we should bring up in the "reception" section how quickly everyone turned against Halo 4. I mean, it seems like a no brainer to me, but since it hasn't been adresses by media outlets or anything I wasn't sure if we could do that? Unbelievably bitchin' Lego dropships don't just build themselves. '''This is''' [[User:CraZboy557|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Gill Sans Ultra Bold; font-size: 105%;">'''craZboy557'''</span>]], '''signing off.''' 11:22, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
:I don't think that's necessary and it isn't notable enough for a mention. Not everyone "turned against" Halo 4. I myself don't necessarily hate Halo 4 as I still play it (as you can see in my "played games" under my profile) and do like it but I'm not impressed. Its more-so people turning against 343i for not putting in enough effort into Halo 4 as well as taking away features like campaign theater & scoring - which is what got me started with constantly ranting about how bad Halo 4 is.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:32, 30 May 2013 (EDT)


== Page load needs to improve ==
I feel it would be a douchebag move on 343i's part to just say that the new armor is the Mark VI just redesigned. They've been very good with the canon and design so far, so why change it now? Of course it's possible Engineers mess around with his armor, I believe it's Mark VII. [[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
Per above, can someone trim down the page so that it loads faster? I frequent Halopedia on my cellphone but several articles with tons of images such as these take a while to load. Would appreciate if someone can improve the page load. — [[User:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">came</span>]] 23:40, 18 July 2013 (EDT)


==Halo 4 Spartan Rank-Up System==
:Okay, I hate to harp on about it, but it's like saying the Mark IV on the cover of The Cole Protocol and the Mark IV in Halo Wars cannot possibly be the same armour. VARIANTS. Who says we saw all the Mark VI variants in Halo 3 multiplayer? And then, as I've said, there's the fact that Cortana's there with a lot of free time suddenly on her hands and half a ship to cannibalise for spare parts. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 07:31, 3 April 2012 (EDT)


Hey, I have just reached the rank of SR-50, but for some odd reason, I can't rank up any further, or at least, not in ''Spartan Ops''. I don't know if I can still rank up in War Games, so I have yet to try that in multiplayer. I know that SR-50 is not the final rank a SPARTAN-IV can achieve, because I have seen SR-90s and higher-ranking players in multiplayer. But anyway, I'd really like to know why I can't rank up while playing ''Spartan Ops''. Is there something I should know or download or something that would help me with this? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 11:52, 17 March 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:I'd go with the Engineer theory. But then again, let's wait for more official explanations. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 07:37, 3 April 2012 (EDT)
:You have to enlist in one of the 10 [[Specializations]] in order to rank up another 10 and continue further from there until all 10 are completed.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:21, 17 March 2014 (EDT)
 
We don't know enough about it now.  Wait until we get definitive information before changing anything. '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 10:22, 3 April 2012 (EDT)!
 
But the Cole Protocol and Halo Wars Mark IV are variants of the Mark IV. Now I do have a theory on why they look different and it's based on information that's already been given out by 343i. [[User: ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
 
:You see? I'm already regretting this analogy. It was just meant to illustrate the fact that we don't know as much as we like to think about MJOLNIR, its development and variants, and that conclusively saying its Mark VI or VII is irrelevant until we get hard confirmation.-- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:56, 4 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:They look different because they are drawn differently by different artists of different studios without any close supervision or close support from one another. You can conjure any theory you want but until all of these different stylised armours from different media appear in one media, any theory is simply redundant. Of course, don't let my comment stop you... it's simply to point out that it's wholly pointless... but fan theories are fun.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 06:06, 4 April 2012 (EDT)
 
Indeed, what Subtank says is true. However, that is only one of the real-world reason for all of these differing depictions. Another reason is that when those iterations were made and implemented, the time, context, etc. were different from how things are now. The Cole Protocol image was made by Bungie during the time frame of both Halo 3: ODST's and Reach's development cycles, and could very well have come out of some of the concept art for Reach, though that is course only speculation at best. The Halo Wars iteration, of course, was done by Blur Studios and Ensemble, drawing on the Mark VI image and some aspects of the Mark V for inspiration.
 
Given these kinds of facts, and that there was no effort on serious oversight and communication between these 3 parties at those time frames, it was unavoidable that there would be conflicting visuals to appear. But on the other hand, if there really had been such cooperation and oversight, would that really have worked out as one might have hoped? Would there really be '''any''' guarantee that we would be shown logical, reasonable additions to the canon? Would things really be as harmonious as some might hope, or might things have actually been '''worse'''?
 
Cross-company and artist cooperation never truly guarantees quality content; it only offers the possibility. All of those companies, even Bungie, can and are prone to poorly-chosen and implemented, even incompetent, decisions. Given that things have turned out the way they are now, there is no way of knowing if things would have been different had they been done with such a collaborative process. We can only wonder, conjecture, speculate, and debate.
 
In any event, back on to this topic, all of the facts have given me the impression of one possibility; John-117's "new" armor is a kind of upgraded, "hybrid" Mark VI armor, composed of components, software, and armor segments from multiple sources. Or in other words, his armor internally remains the same or similar to what it was before, but new pieces and components, maybe even related to the Mark VII, have been added to his armor to improve its performance in some areas. All previous generations of SPARTAN-used MJOLNIR have had upgrades, customizations, etc. of one sort or another, including ones similar to this.
 
In that 'Game Reactor' interview with Mr. O'Connor, he does emphasize the fact that there '''is''' an in-universe, genuine change in John's armor, meaning that its external appearance from its issuing in October 2552 to its current appearance is not mere artistic license at all. This also reinforces the fact that the Mark VI as we have known it for the past several years, particularly Halo 3, '''is how it is meant to look.''' That is its genuine structure and appearance when it is first issued, without any customizations, modifications, or upgrades.
 
Now that years have passed since then, and the situation and context have changed, there is a true, in-universe need for the armor to be upgraded, particularly to the form it has now. For how the suit is improved, we can only wonder and/or wait for the facts to become known. But whatever the case, it now seems very unlikely, '''in my opinion''', that John is wearing true Mark VII armor. On the other hand, from the aesthetic and gameplay point of view, these differences will be prominently displayed in how he moves in the play spaces, from impressions of weight, sound, etc. to better convey the simulation-based experience.--[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 17:36, 4 April 2012 (EDT)
 
Just my two cents: If the game opens up with the chief immediately after getting out of cryo, like we were led to believe in the reveal trailer, then the change to the armor will happen in-game. There was no way for cortana to modify it while he was in cryo. Speaking plot-wise, it would seem more convenient for him to get a completely new suit of armor later in the game, but that is pure speculation. [[Special:Contributions/68.104.165.221|68.104.165.221]] 18:23, 4 April 2012 (EDT)
 
Arright, this has bothered me since the people started freaking out over the armor those many months ago: what I can gather he meant by "less canonical explanation" is this: when the Cheif wakes up, he's wearing the Mk. VI, as could be expected. Aftermthe crash, Cortana shows him the Mk. VII, located on the Forward Unto Dawn, and basically says "happy birthday, John, here ya go!" That way, we know where he got it in general, but we don't have any "just came in from Songsam this morning" like in Halo 2. Soooo, yeah. That's what I think will happen. [[User talk:Infernal-Blaze|Infernal-Blaze]] 09:49, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
 
:Problem is, why would there be a Mark VII on the Dawn? the Mark VII was given out in January 2553. If there is a Mark VII during the events of Halo 3, why didn't anyone offer it to the Chief? The Spartan-IVs seen in ''First Look'' are probably wearing the Mark VII, which is completely different from the one the Chief was wearing. The one Chief is wearing resembles the one in Halo 3. It's not Mark VII. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 10:29, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
::If you look [[File:Halo 4 Multiplayer (2).jpg|100px]], You'll see that the armors share a chestplate, undersuit details and the strange pseudo-codpeice that Cheif's new armor has. All I'm saying is that it's not so cut-and-dry that Cheif's wearing some kind of Mk VI.5. [[User talk:Infernal-Blaze|Infernal-Blaze]] 11:09, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
:::Good point. But still, why didn't anyone offer it to the Chief if it was on the ''Dawn''? Also, "Image into Articles 101: <nowiki>[[Insert File name here]]</nowiki> to show image." :) —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 11:25, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Canonically, it was always there, but would have been impractical to give him mid-combat. Non-canonically, it would be a retcon: even the concept of a Mk VII was nonexistent when Halo 3 was made, so it couldn't have been offered then anyway. [[User talk:Infernal-Blaze|Infernal-Blaze]] 11:30, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
 
Might he get it from the Infinity?[[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 22:25, 5 April 2012 (EDT)
 
My theory is that he does get it form the Infinity. It's been confirmed over and over again that the UNSC is in Halo 4. Now the Spartan-IVs and the Chief do have different armor, but there are similarities such as the ab area/codpiece. I believe that the armor will be far more customizable than it is in previous Halo titles.
Anyway there is a possible canonical reason as to why the Halo Wars and Cole Protocol Mark IV look different but I will discuss that on the Mark IV discussion page in a moment.
343i has already shown in Origins (which takes place shortly before Halo 4) that the Chief is still wearing Mark VI. Why would they change something that they have even shown? It would also confuse too many casual players as to why he looks different. I still believe that he will get the new armor from the UNSC Infinity. 343i has slowly been revealing the Mark VII to be real. First Halsey's Journal, then Glasslands. Also Frank has said Glasslands will have connections with Halo 4, the Mark VII may be one of them.
If this Ancient Evil is worse than the Covenant, I'm sure he's going to need a new suit. [[User:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]

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