Editing Talk:Halo 4

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== Falcon in Halo 4? ==

I don't believe it is a good idea to jump to conclusions so quickly that the Falcon is in Halo 4. Simple concept art does not always portray accurate information. For example, this concept art shows a banshee flying around: 

[http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Halo-4-Concept-Art-2.jpg]

As you can tell, this is not the same banshee as seen in any of the released game play videos of Halo 4. The same goes for the Falcon. We have not seen any game play of it, therefore, it cannot be confirmed, and should not be on Halo 4's vehicle list until confirmed.

Didn't they release an interactive guide online that has all the vehicles listed? Just checked with it and see if it is there or not. [[User talk:TLLorax|TLLorax]] 13:46, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

:Falcons can be seen clearly in the background of [[:File:H4-E3-Campaign-10.jpg|this image]]. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 13:55, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

:Perhaps they appear only as cardboard cutouts.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 14:14, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

The Falcon is definitely not in the interactive game guide, But that might simply be because the player doesn't fly them. They might simply be in the background. [[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 20:24, 4 November 2012 (EST)

::I might as well add, the UH-144 Falcon, or any Falcon aircraft thereof, is not at all mentioned anywhere in the ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guide. No mention of it anywhere. Just zip, zero, nada. I think we can all safely assume with complete confidence that the Falcon does not make a return. A pity, honestly, that it didn't return. Not even the AV-14 Hornet either! I liked using both of those aircraft. Banshees are nice, but I like Falcons and Hornets better. Oh well. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 17:12, 10 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330

== After-credits speech by Didact ==

It mentions in this article that the speech that the Didact gives happens following the events of Halo 4, and assumes it is him vowing further action on humanity.  After hearing it a couple of times, I am now convinced that this speech actually is from the Didact speaking to the ecumene counsel regarding is punishments to prehistoric humans in the aftermath of the Forerunner-Human war more than 100,000 years ago.  Evidence includes him citing victory (against prehistoric humans, because surely what happened at the end of Halo 4 was not a victory).  He also uses plural pronouns when referencing Forerunners, and furthermore uses "we" and "our" as if he is talking to other Forerunners, which would be unlikely in 2557.  Overall, when taking it from that context, it makes much more sense.  The article should be changed to reflect this, and should not make the assumption of saying that the Didact apparently survived based on the fact that he gives this speech. - Extron

:It depends. The parts about "I stand before you" does sound like a council or trial, but the part of "We squander eons in the darkness, while they seize our triumphs for their own" sounds like after the Halos' firing. It's hard to be sure. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 03:22, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Though I do admit that line is a bit harder to understand, I would still posit that the majority of the lines make much more sense under the context of the Didact before the events of Halo 4.  There are many more lines that don't make sense if he was speaking after the events of Halo 4 than lines that don't make sense if he was speaking to the ecumene council after the Human-Forerunner war.  For example, in 2557, who would be accusing him of sin? - Extron
:I agree. I was going to make a similar post before seeing yours. I also think that the speech took place some time before the Didact was imprisoned. Since it's not 100% clear though, I think the article should be changed so that it does not make an implication one way or the other.--[[User talk:Olanmills|olanmills]] 03:51, 26 November 2012 (EST)

it does seem very likely but however if you do an analysis of what the didact says during the cutscene on the level forerunner he not only talks to the chief, he also talks to the librarian, well parts of his little speech is directed to her. So what the didact says during the last scene of halo 4 may be before or after the events, we do not know but we can only speculate, we may find out in later forms of media or will have to wait till halo 5 [[User:SPARTAN-225|S225]] 01:03 27th November 2012 (PST)

==The ''Halo 4'' Official Game Guide==

Shouldn't we now have a page for the ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guide, since it has already come out in stores? I got my copy at Wal-Mart for 10x4, a limited collector's edition. I did see some regular ''Halo 4'' Prima Official Game Guides for 25. But I assume you all must already know this. So should we now include a new article for the game guide, too? Seeing as I own a copy, I should be the one to write the article, but I'm honestly not sure I'd do a very good job of it. If anyone else also owns it besides myself could write it, then all the better, I suppose. Still, if no one doesn't, or if they do, but don't want to do it, I suppose I'll have to man up and do it myself. Just be forewarned: as I've said, I might not do a very good job. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 20:36, 11 November 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330

== Cairo Station ==

I just added Cairo Station to the Locations list, but i dont have a source. It is mentioned by one of the computers aboard the Infinity during Shutdown. Just go and press "x" on them, i think its the farthest one that will first mention something about information and departure, later something about War Games, and finally will mention Cairo Station. BTW, i am not sure if that even counts as an appearace, but deleted in case is not supposed to be there. [[User talk:Siul S-249|Siul S-249]] 20:13, 16 November 2012 (EST)

== The Ships that Pop Up during Midnight ==

I'm reffering to the ones that were engaging the Didact's ship during the final part of the Broadsword section. Does anyone know what they are? Are they Frigates, Destroyers, Something Else entirely? [[User talk:Missing Mandible|Missing Mandible]] 20:49, 25 November 2012 (EST)
:I noticed a few ships that looked like something entirely new, but they most likely were Charon-class frigates (H4 version). Also noticed them being destroyed. However it was only at a glance being that I was busy twisting and turning as I was trying to destroy the particle cannons & dodge gunfire from the point defense guns. Sucks that theater mode doesn't work for campaign anymore. Damn you 343i! Now we have to use a VHS, camcorder, or phone cam to record our campagin vids!--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:30, 29 November 2012 (EST)
::I heard they were working on putting theater in Campaign, but until they do, I share your frustration.[[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 13:43, 29 November 2012 (EST)
:For anyone unaware of what we're talking about, there were at least four types of spacecraft in ''Midnight''. The Broadswords and modified ''Charons'' are the most obvious, the more "flat" looking ships (possibly destroyers), and ships just slightly larger than fighters buzzing around the surrounding battles (prowlers/corvettes?). {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
The communications tell me at least one Super MAC station was involved. Which one or any others is unclear. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:18, 29 November 2012 (EST)
:I derped around in Midnight a bit. The ship that flies parallel to the "sphincter" exit is NOT a Charon-class. Wrong bow. The Charon-class still has a forked bow; this had a flat-ish bow and antennae on the ventral portion of the bow. It also lacked the port and starboard sidepanels of the Charon-class. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 02:18, 22 December 2012 (EST)
::The fourth one below is the class I was talking about. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 12:47, 23 December 2012 (EST)
:Here's a few pics of the ships that I tried to capture. Unfortunately since we don't have theater mode for campaign I couldn't get anything clear enough to post on the article itself, but I'll be working on getting something soon, just have to either hook up the good old VCR or use my camera's mini tripod. The first one is flat looking and something new, the next two look like Charon-class, while the third looks like a cross between the Infinity and the Halcyon (spelling) class (also they were firing blue-colored bolts at the Didact's ship):
File:Dakota 1.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 2.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 3.jpg|200px]],File:Dakota 4.jpg|200px]]
--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 13:00, 22 December 2012 (EST)

::First pic is a new class. Second one is potentially Charon. Looks about right, but the bow doesn't appear to be forked. None in the third are Charon (i.e. a new class). Charon has two engines and is bulkier, those have only one and are sticks. (Stalwart revamp?), fourth is another new class. --[[User talk:WTRiker|WTRiker]] 12:52, 23 December 2012 (EST)

:::The 2nd and 3rd pics are the same ships, just taken from a different angle. I believe they lack bulk and two engines because it may have been too much texture size/memory trying to have these multiple 1600+ ft long ships flying around at close range, so they reduced size and bulk to relieve memory. So it looks like a Charon but lacks the mass & engine count. But that's just a quick guess from a gameplay standpoint.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 15:44, 23 December 2012 (EST)
The second and third could possibly be new ships entirely cause once you first go into infinity multiplayer the Charon class ships look like well what they look like, if they were these new ones from the level midnight they would have been rendered that way [[User:SPARTAN-225|S225]] 12:30am 25th December 2012 (GMT)
::::Replayed Midnight. Spent a good 10-15 flying around looking at the ships. The "antenna" ship appears to have two primary engines and four secondaries, arranged in pairs on either side of the mains, at an angle relative to the plane of the dorsal hull.
The "sticks" have only the one engine. --[[User:WTRiker|WTRiker]] ([[User talk:WTRiker|talk]]) 22:33, 27 December 2012 (EST)

::::The bell shaped one may just be this ship considering they have a similar shape/outline. Otherwise its impossible to know as trying to fly towards them causes the BrSw to disappear or explode (kill barrier) regardless if you used the [[Midnight vacation]] glitch (tried it!).--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 20:19, 5 January 2013 (EST)

==Co-op Play in Campaign and in Spartan Ops==

While I can sorta guess who I might play as in Spartan Ops (as one of the many Spartan-IVs), I don't know who I would be playing as during cooperative campaign. I assume I'm either another Master Chief or perhaps maybe, however unlikely, a Spartan-IV. Or is there even a cooperative campaign? I hope so, at least that won't have changed since the other ''Halo'' games. So, assuming there is a cooperative campaign, who is the second, third, and fourth players, if any? --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 15:23, 2 December 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330
:Yeah, there is co-op Campaign. It's the same as ''Halo: CE'' and ''Halo 2'', where you play as a 'clone' of the Chief when canonically it's just the Chief fighting.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 15:29, 2 December 2012 (EST)

== Cut content ==

Hey, not sure what pages this would belong on or if it would have its own page. I haven't seen it on here anywhere (though I may have just missed it) so I figured I'd put it here. http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/12/these-halo-4-armour-abilities-didnt-make-the-cut/ Two cut armour abilities from Halo 4.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 22:55, 30 December 2012 (EST)

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Not sure how to fix. [[Special:Contributions/72.12.219.170|72.12.219.170]] 10:16, 12 January 2013 (EST)  
:I'll see what I can do about the cite error on the page.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:32, 12 January 2013 (EST)

== Split Spartan Ops content from Halo 4 ==

I think the article would be better presented to readers and editors if we were to move (and add future) Spartan Ops content to the [[Spartan Ops]] article. This would improve the Spartan Ops article by providing more relevant information on the characters, locations, events, and what-not to readers. For this article, we could include something like "For a complete list of features of Spartan Ops, please visit [[Spartan Ops]]" at the beginning and/or end of the Features section. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  21:31, 4 February 2013 (EST)
:I was thinking the same thing for a while now. I don't have a problem with this.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 06:48, 5 February 2013 (EST)

== Doritos and Mt. Dew ==

Should we add a section about the double exp from the doritos and Mt. Dew? [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 00:21, 24 April 2013 (EDT)
:I figured that it would have been in the article already. I think it would be within the article's scope to have a mention of it in the article. Then we could use the Main Article template for those who want to read it's [[Unlock & Load Double XP|article]].--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:11, 24 April 2013 (EDT)

==Xbox One and ''Halo 4''==

Hey, I was just wondering if ''Halo 4'' would be re-released for Xbox One. Is there any information on that? Because if it is, that would be really cool. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 18:47, 21 May 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:If it really isn't backwards compatible with XBox 360 then they'll have to if they want to continue Spartan Ops. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 20:02, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
::At present there are no plans for another season of Spartan Ops on the 360. When season 2 does come, it will be in ''Halo 5'', not ''Halo 4''. Because the system won't be backwards compatible, it would essentially require the same effort as porting it to the PC, which would divert manpower away from the next ''Halo'' title, or else require them to use a third-party studio to do the job. The two consoles will also use different versions of Xbox LIVE, meaning online play won't cross platforms. This would effectively split the community as early adopters switch to the new console, while others continue to play on the 360. 343 has already shown they don't like doing this, which is why they chose to use ''Halo: Reach'''s multiplayer for ''Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary''. So, short answer: No. There has been no information on any ''Halo 4'' re-release, and in my opinion, that's because there won't be one, at least not any time soon.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 21:02, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
:::Well, maybe there might be some kind of patch then. I have actually played Xbox games on an Xbox 360, games like ''Halo 2'' and stuff. Very possibly. But it seems there neither any confirmations or denials of any kind. But of course this is entirely speculation. But it would certainly be nice if it was re-released. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 21:19, 21 May 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
Has it been confirmed that Spartan Ops won't be coming back on 360? The way I understood it was that Spartan Ops was going to take up the time between the games and the games were going to come out every two years. So if that is accurate there is all the time between now and fall of next year for season two and maybe even a third to come out if second season comes out this fall and season three in the summer then four five and six can fill the gap between Halo 5 and 6. [[User:TLLorax|TLLorax]] ([[User talk:TLLorax|talk]]) 21:30, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
:[http://blogs.halowaypoint.com/Headlines/post/2013/03/28/The-Halo-Bulletin-32813.aspx The Halo Bulletin 3.28.2013]: ''"There is no “Season 2” of Spartan Ops scheduled at the moment, but rest assured the story of Crimson, the Infinity and those characters and events is far from over. - Frank"''. They really wrapped things up nicely/wrote themselves into a corner by destroying Requiem, and with it nearly all of the in-game environments. They'd need to start from scratch for a new season, setting up a whole new location for the conflict. Any time they spend on that is time not spent on ''Halo 5'', and they've already got a pretty tight deadline on ''5''. Remember that Bungie had 3 full years between their proper installments (not including ''ODST'', which reused the engine and assets from ''3''). If we're correct, and the next ''Halo'' is scheduled for Q4 2014, that means 343 is being asked to create a whole new game on a whole new console in only 2 years. That's a pretty tall order. That's why I think they pushed out the map packs so quickly. The last ''Halo 3'' map pack was released two years after the game. ''Reach'''s Anniversary pack was 14 months after the game. Yet 343 released all 3 of ''Halo 4''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s packs in just 5 months. I believe that's because they immediately started on ''Halo 5''. I'm not saying definitively that there will be no ''Halo 4'' on the Xbox One, or that there will be no second season of Spartan Ops for ''Halo 4''. I'm just saying, "Don't hold your breath."--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 22:40, 21 May 2013 (EDT)

==Halol==
I was wondering wether we should bring up in the "reception" section how quickly everyone turned against Halo 4. I mean, it seems like a no brainer to me, but since it hasn't been adresses by media outlets or anything I wasn't sure if we could do that? Unbelievably bitchin' Lego dropships don't just build themselves. '''This is''' [[User:CraZboy557|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Gill Sans Ultra Bold; font-size: 105%;">'''craZboy557'''</span>]], '''signing off.''' 11:22, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
:I don't think that's necessary and it isn't notable enough for a mention. Not everyone "turned against" Halo 4. I myself don't necessarily hate Halo 4 as I still play it (as you can see in my "played games" under my profile) and do like it but I'm not impressed. Its more-so people turning against 343i for not putting in enough effort into Halo 4 as well as taking away features like campaign theater & scoring - which is what got me started with constantly ranting about how bad Halo 4 is.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:32, 30 May 2013 (EDT)

== Page load needs to improve ==
Per above, can someone trim down the page so that it loads faster? I frequent Halopedia on my cellphone but several articles with tons of images such as these take a while to load. Would appreciate if someone can improve the page load. — [[User:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">came</span>]] 23:40, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

==Halo 4 Spartan Rank-Up System==

Hey, I have just reached the rank of SR-50, but for some odd reason, I can't rank up any further, or at least, not in ''Spartan Ops''. I don't know if I can still rank up in War Games, so I have yet to try that in multiplayer. I know that SR-50 is not the final rank a SPARTAN-IV can achieve, because I have seen SR-90s and higher-ranking players in multiplayer. But anyway, I'd really like to know why I can't rank up while playing ''Spartan Ops''. Is there something I should know or download or something that would help me with this? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 11:52, 17 March 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:You have to enlist in one of the 10 [[Specializations]] in order to rank up another 10 and continue further from there until all 10 are completed.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:21, 17 March 2014 (EDT)