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==Untitled==
Please stop linking to my server. The ebooks no longer exist. Thank you. -Nick Presta
Please stop linking to my server. The ebooks no longer exist. Thank you. -Nick Presta




Does anyone know where I can get chapter summaries of this book? It's quite important. Thanks. --[[User:68.192.145.192|68.192.145.192]] 00:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know where I can get chapter summaries of this book? It's quite important. Thanks. --[[User:68.192.145.192|68.192.145.192]] 00:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
==Trivia Section Inconsistencies==
In the Trivia section, it stated that the Pelican that evac's the SPARTANS, marines and civilians from Cote D'Azur contains "14 marines, 4 Spartans, 18 total". This is despite the fact that 12 SPARTANS were deployed from it, and Green Team discovered '20' civilian survivors. Since there was only one dropship, all 12 SPARTANS and the 20 civilians must have been in the same transport. I have rectified this. A trivia note about a banshee on the original cover of the book did not specify it was the original cover - I also rectified that. [[User talk:Thebigyeash|Thebigyeash]] 08:37, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


== Shredder Rounds??? ==
== Shredder Rounds??? ==
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The book says, "''The three spartans exhausted their AP clips and then,in unision, Switched to shredder rounds.''--[[User:Spartan 1 1 7|Spartan 1 1 7]] 01:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
The book says, "''The three spartans exhausted their AP clips and then,in unision, Switched to shredder rounds.''--[[User:Spartan 1 1 7|Spartan 1 1 7]] 01:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:We have an article about them: [[Shredder Rounds]]. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front <font color="000000">(shockfront)</font>]</sup></b> 21:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
:We have an article about them: [[Shredder Rounds]]. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front <font color="000000">(shockfront)</font>]</sup></b> 21:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
You'd think it's kind of self-explanatory. Think about it, then keep it to yourself that you're not smart enough to figure it out by yourself.


==Reference to Contact Harvest==
==Reference to Contact Harvest==
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I had also noticed that in the Halo book " The Fall of Reach" it mentioned Harvest, if this is correct maybe it is in some way linked to the latest Halo novel "contact Harvest"? or is it just a coinsidence? --[[User:H92|H92]] 19:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I had also noticed that in the Halo book " The Fall of Reach" it mentioned Harvest, if this is correct maybe it is in some way linked to the latest Halo novel "contact Harvest"? or is it just a coinsidence? --[[User:H92|H92]] 19:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Due to the tiny amount of thrust applicable to the freight containers that Johnson and the other survivors evacuate Harvest in, it would be sensible to claim that they would not return from Harvest until after the Battlegroup arrived - in which the Vostok and Arabia were destroyed and the Heracles damaged by a single Covenant vessel. Whilst the survivors did flee Harvest in very early 2525, the military responses to investigate lack of contact were not sent until around September and November.[[User talk:Thebigyeash|Thebigyeash]] 08:40, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


== Banshee having green sheen? ==
== Banshee having green sheen? ==


I have the book, and I don't see any green sheen, it's all purple. I'm taking off that Trivial comment. --UserWiki:Gold Rage 112|<b><font color="Blue">'''Force Colonel'''</font></b>]][[User talk: Gold Rage 112|<b><font color="Gold">''' Valhala'''</font></b>]][[Special:Contributions/ Gold Rage 112 |<b><font color="Green"><sup>''' 112'''</sup></font></b>]] 22:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I have the book, and I don't see any green sheen, it's all purple. I'm taking off that Trivial comment. --[[UserWiki:Gold Rage 112|<b><font color="Blue">'''Force Colonel'''</font></b>]][[User talk: Gold Rage 112|<b><font color="Gold">''' Valhala'''</font></b>]][[Special:Contributions/ Gold Rage 112 |<b><font color="Green"><sup>''' 112'''</sup></font></b>]] 22:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


== synopsis error ==
== synopsis error ==
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== REACH ==
== REACH ==


To anyone who reads this it says that Reach was turned into a glass like state with only John-117 making it out ............................... is it possible for them to slipspace back to Reach and Recover the Spartans or was Reach destroyed? Please answer peace
To anyone who reads this it says that reach was turned into a glass like state with only john-117 making it out ............................... is it possible for them to slipspace back to reach and recover the spartans or was reach destroyed? please answer peace
 


== REACH ==


SPARTAN 117 did leave but in the book Halo: First Strike it says that a small section was left untouched by the Covenant. I hope this helps you
SPARTEN 117 did leave but in the book halo first strike it says that a small section was left un touched by the covenet. I hope this helps you


== WARS ==
== WARS ==
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Does anyone think fall of reach will be a part in halo wars ?
Does anyone think fall of reach will be a part in halo wars ?


:No. The Fall of Reach takes place in 2552. Halo Wars is set in 2531, twenty-one years before Reach falls. -- '''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:No. The Fall of Reach takes place in 2552. Halo Wars is set in 2531, twenty-one years before Reach falls. -- '''[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


== Halo Film to be based on Halo: the fall of reach book ==
== Halo Film to be based on Halo: the fall of reach book ==
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I have found Evidence that the Halo film will be based on this book, here is what I found http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-halo-movie-has-reach-4305
I have found Evidence that the Halo film will be based on this book, here is what I found http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-halo-movie-has-reach-4305


:I wish...there's currently nobody picking up the script, or financing it. A pity, since it sounds like it would be great. -- '''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 00:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:I wish...there's currently nobody picking up the script, or financing it. A pity, since it sounds like it would be great. -- '''[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[userWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 00:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


== Halo film artical ==
== Halo film artical ==
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:If you actually look at the date in the book it says 2542 which im gussing is another inconsistency [[User talk:Liamhead|Liamhead]] 21:59, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
:If you actually look at the date in the book it says 2542 which im gussing is another inconsistency [[User talk:Liamhead|Liamhead]] 21:59, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
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:In the book it also gives the date of John's recruitment as 2517. We know he was six at the time, so that puts his year of birth at 2511, making him 41 by the year 2552, when Reach falls, and when the events of Halo: Combat Evolved take place. I don't know what the root of these inconsistencies are...possibly just oversight on the part of the author.
:In the book it also gives the date of John's recruitment as 2517. We know he was six at the time, so that puts his year of birth at 2511, making him 41 by the year 2552, when Reach falls, and when the events of Halo: Combat Evolved take place. I don't know what the root of these inconsistencies are...possibly just oversight on the part of the author.


== The Title ==
== The Title ==
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:-ONI invesgetion of a conversion that led to the discovery of reach
:-ONI invesgetion of a conversion that led to the discovery of reach
:- something aboiut winter conginticy. [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 16:02, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
:- something aboiut winter conginticy. [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 16:02, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
I have the revised edition of the book, and while I don't feel the same way about the book as those on the Bungie forum do, they do have valid points. For reasons that are not clear, there was some kind of editing and printing problem which made the 2552 dates at the top of the later chapters 2542. Also, many of the early numbers and inconsistencies from the first edition exist in this edition.
While on the one hand this is irritating and disappointing, on the other hand I understand that these are mistakes and not actual story retcon facts. As for the part where Halsey briefs John and company on the ultimately-scrapped mission to capture a Prophet etc. does include a minor change.
On page 275 it says "We also know that there is a 'race' of field commanders we have historically called 'Elites.'" Though I do not have the original version anymore, I remember it talking about Elites as if they were brand new, when it has since been established that they were not. Also, toward the end of the book, where John, Linda, and James deal with that navigation data, there is a new sentence in place of the old one.
Page 347: "These were Elites-the iron heart of the Covenant. Would they best the Spartans this time? They were all about to find out."
This is clearly very different from the original, which again treated the Elites as if they were new. These two new sentences clearly establish that the UNSC is very familiar with the Elites, but talks about them in the context of their knowledge and hypotheses about Covenant society and its caste system.
While its true that they changed the number of ships attacking Reach to 700 from the original 300, they didn't really change much of anything else beyond the unneeded editing mistakes.
This to me illustrates the biggest weakness about 343 Industries and its publishing and reissuing of books; improper quality control on editing and fact checking. Other than that, 343 Industries hasn't really made that many mistakes or dramatic changes to the story, other than some of the more controversial additions from Halo Legends.
One other mistake that they left intact were the statistics of there being 25 Spartans at Reach out 28. Again, improper editing, but perhaps more than that? Maybe they are too afraid to make too many changes to the book, especially on topics such as that, maybe that given the amount of work that they have on their plate at the present time, they are unable or unwilling to do?
While definitely worrying and disappointing, I do not see this in the same light as the posters on Bungie forum did. I do not see it as indicative of the Halo canon being completely destroyed. It is a case of editing mistakes in what is really only two specific cases, being the original version of the Encyclopedia and this book's current reissue.
While they have explained what happened and promised to make sure it doesn't happen with the two other books, the fact of the matter is that only time will tell.
Even with these glaring mistakes, they can still take responsibility for their actions and make some amends. It seems a little extreme to generalize from just these two cases and declare that Halo is dead and that it will completely fall apart. Such knee-jerk reactions seem a little excessive even though they are rooted in concerns that are completely legitimate and cannot be ignored.
For me, I am definitely skeptical of 343 Industries and their future actions, but I am most definitely not condemning them in highly polarized and skewed ways.
They only have to address and correct this kind of problem and be appropriately careful and vigilant when doing these sorts of things. Other than that, i am still intrigued about their future developments, albeit cautiously and skeptically so.
That is a far cry from saying that they have completely destroyed Halo.
--[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 01:53, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
Bahahaha I love their stupid whining and overreaction..."OMG! Typos and 700 ships at Reach!!!!! 343 Industries has ruined Halo! This book is literally a piece of shit! Halo was the greatest piece of art and literature in history and they ruined everything! The canon is destroyed!" .... they don't know how to express the concept of "minor disappointment..." [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 21:26, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


== Confused ==
== Confused ==
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:I have not read thiss book in quite some time and I have 2 questions that really stump me.
:I have not read thiss book in quite some time and I have 2 questions that really stump me.


::1) After John destroys the ships nav data (the Circumfrence?) so the Covenant cant get it, he goes back to the PoA. I thought then the PoA goes to the first Halo Construct, but if that is possible, how can John rescue Dr. Halsey down in the mineshafts under the CASTLE base?
::1) After John destroys the ships nav data so the Covenant cant get it, he goes back to the PoA. I thought then them PoA goes to the first Halo Construct, but if that is possible, how can John rescue Dr. Halsey down in the mineshafts under the CASTLE base?  


::2) What happens after they are rescued, and evacuated off of Reach?
::2) What happens after they are rescued, and evacuated off of Reach?
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Sorry if you these are really dumb questions. You do not need to write a long answer.  
Sorry if you these are really dumb questions. You do not need to write a long answer.  
Thanks [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 02:33, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 02:33, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
*1) He comes back after the events of the original Halo game and rescues her and the other spartans. This is in Halo: The First Strike.
2)They eventually make their way back to Earth. This is the storyline of Halo: The First Strike. [[User talk:VadersFist666|VadersFist666]] 02:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
Ahh thats right! Thanks a ton. [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 03:04, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
== New cover art? ==
I was at the store and decided to pick up the new book, when something crossed my eye. It shows John-117 and 2 unnamed Spartans and the glassing of a planet. and that what caught my eye. I later searched John 117 and found a picture in which the headline underneath stats "John wearing his MJOLNIR Mark IV armour." which I thought was weird cause John had mark 5 armour during the fall of reach. so it cant be a cover art for that. then I read about john's battles over the years Other then the glassing of reach, we only know 2 other two other battles in which the planet fell to the covenant that John was in.
The Harvest Campaign and
the Battle of Jericho VII.
But I highly doubt that it was the harvest campaign cause it is never mentioned to the point that participated in it and two he was shown wearing I believe the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/C variant. I then was a little disappointed cause if in fact the cover art is based of the Battle of Jericho VII in which the planet was glassed and John had still had mark 4 then it would be kinda stupid don't u think cause the actual battle of Jericho VII took place in one chapter. and if that is the case then i would if i were them i would have at least updated the original cover art or actually show John fighting for reach on the cover.
:It's symbolic. It need not represent any particular engagement or time, it just represents the general badassery of the SPARTAN-IIs.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 21:49, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
:What im trying to say is what does the front cover represent? Jericho VII in my opinion.--[[User talk:Bronze98|Bronze98]] 22:04, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
::Read that again; it's symbolic, it doesn't represent any particular event.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 19:22, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
On the new cover art it appears that the spartan to Johns left has the tag 134 which is not a spartan II tag to the best of my knowledge. Also is it just me or does the spartan to his right have a bunny on his/her armor?[[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 23:15, 14 March 2012 (EDT)
:[[Samuel-034|It's 034, not 134]].— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 06:55, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
That explains a lot. Thanks[[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 17:52, 15 March 2012 (EDT)
== Re-Issue Pages ==
How many pages are in the re-issue? My original book has 340 pages, including prologue. If the reissue has more or less pages, that may screw up our sourcing system. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 13:26, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

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