Editing Talk:Gabriela

==Should we really consider the real life Halo: Outpost Discovery escape room game as canon?==

The sentence "''When a reclaimed section of an SDV-class heavy corvette was brought to Earth for inclusion at one of the outposts, Gabriela was instrumental in preventing a catastrophic explosion that a lingering Covenant autonomous security protocol subroutine attempted to trigger."''. This refers to the real life place yes? Not the Outpost Discovery depicted in the comics or in universe. It just seems really forced and unconfirmed to cite this escape room game as a life threatening event that happened in universe. 03:51, July 24, 2019 (EDT)

:Yes, ''Outpost Discovery'' is canon.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 04:06, July 24, 2019 (EDT)TheEld\

::Right but there's a line to be drawn. Informational panels at the real live event are canon, but is some five year old kid and his dad beating the Covenant escape game and preventing a "catastrophic explosion" considered canon too? My son Tommy could be a canon character in the Halo universe by that logic for doing stuff at the real world Outpost Discovery.

::I think a distinction should be drawn from making real life people playing games and doing events in the real world, not canon. While keeping the information provided at the event as canon. 

::There should be more separation between [[Halo: Outpost Discovery]] events and [[Outpost Discovery]] events, otherwise Steve Downes and Jen Taylor signing autographs actually happened in the Halo Universe and are characters in the lore, creating all sorts of meta weirdness.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 18:02, August 6, 2019 (EDT)

:::I don't know why you're bringing up individual guests and voice actors/actresses, etc. The Covenant Escape attraction presents an actual in-universe narrative. The most we can say about something like Pelican Training, for instance, is that guests/recruits were given the opportunity to train for such and such scenario. But Covenant Escape includes an actual one-time story element where a rouge Covenant A.I. tries to sabotage things for the first visitors that enter. It is a story with a beginning middle and end.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 18:10, August 6, 2019 (EDT)TheEld

::::Okay, but who are the protagonists of this story during the Covenant escape? Real world humans participating. So anyone who does the real life event becomes a canon lore character by this logic. And this event is present at every outpost rather than an odd instance in one in particular, you can see where the "where do we draw the line" question arises, right?

::::Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the event, is this story really a one time occurrence that happened for the first guests of outpost discovery in one outpost in particular where they got special treatment? In that case maybe those few guests can be considered in-universe characters as weird as it is.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 18:32, August 6, 2019 (EDT) 


:::::This is no different than multiplayer being "canon". Yes, when you go in you are told you are the first recruits to enter this ship.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 18:34, August 6, 2019 (EDT)TheEld

::::::If you and a group of friends are playing multiplayer though, you're a bunch of Spartans: friends sitting on a couch with dew and doritos aren't canon characters.
At outpost discovery you're literally you in real life, that's the difference and where the question of "where do we draw the line" arises.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 19:10, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Even multiplayer is iffy as we don't add Spartan characters that people create, to the wiki as canon characters. Nor the games/events they play.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 19:53, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
== Name ==

Gabriela's name is simply "Gabriela". Gabriela Castaneda was the name of the Admiral whose brain was used to create the Gabriela AI.[[User:Toa Freak|Toa Freak]] ([[User talk:Toa Freak|talk]]) 09:39, August 6, 2019 (EDT)
:I'll move the page over now. Is there a specific rank for the admiral given so we can make an appropriate page on her? Edit: This would also make her a Smart AI, right? [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 09:51, August 6, 2019 (EDT)
::This page has been made for the AI and [[Gabriela Castaneda]] now exists for the admiral.[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 10:05, August 6, 2019 (EDT)
:::No specific rank, no, just "Admiral". I'll get the image I took at Outpost to CIA this week for use as an official source.[[User:Toa Freak|Toa Freak]] ([[User talk:Toa Freak|talk]]) 18:01, August 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::That's great, thanks a lot! [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 19:06, August 8, 2019 (EDT)
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 :::::This is no different than multiplayer being "canon". Yes, when you go in you are told you are the first recruits to enter this ship.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 18:34, August 6, 2019 (EDT)TheEld
-::::::If you and a group of friends are playing multiplayer though, you're a bunch of Spartans: friends sitting on a couch with dew and doritos aren't canon characters.(Even multiplayer is iffy as we don't add Spartan characters that people create, to the wiki as canon characters, nor the games/events they play.)
+::::::If you and a group of friends are playing multiplayer though, you're a bunch of Spartans: friends sitting on a couch with dew and doritos aren't canon characters.
+At outpost discovery you're literally you in real life, that's the difference and where the question of "where do we draw the line" arises.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 19:10, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
-::::::At outpost discovery you're literally you in real life, that's the difference and where the question of "where do we draw the line" arises.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 19:10, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
+::::::Even multiplayer is iffy as we don't add Spartan characters that people create, to the wiki as canon characters. Nor the games/events they play.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 19:53, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
-[Indent reset] You're making false equivalences. This is a specific story being told, and would be better applicable to what Fireteam Crimson and Spartan Ops is. No, *your* spartan crimson isn't the person in the event, but the event itself is canon. As with anything, you have to give Outpost a high degree of abstraction anyway - it's unlikely the in-universe hall of history would literally have a real Infection Form or Index in a simple piece of glass, or that the "pelican experience" is just people sat in a room. If 343 set a story that says in XYZ specific war games match, your spartan did A, B and C those events would be very much canon - in the same way, this event is in the sense that there was a Covenant AI at one of the events and Gabriela helped shut it down.[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 20:00, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
 == Name ==
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 :::No specific rank, no, just "Admiral". I'll get the image I took at Outpost to CIA this week for use as an official source.[[User:Toa Freak|Toa Freak]] ([[User talk:Toa Freak|talk]]) 18:01, August 8, 2019 (EDT)
 ::::That's great, thanks a lot! [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 19:06, August 8, 2019 (EDT)
-== Smart or not? ==
-Has it been confirmed whether Gabriela is a Smart AI or not? I recall that when I added that detail to the Lone Wolf related article(s) I did, that detail was edited out because at least at that point it hadn't been confirmed, but this page has it there, and I was curious as to what the source was, if that's the case, since at the end of the sentence the two source links are for Lone Wolf #3 & #4, which don't confirm it. If there is a source, I'd be happy to go back through and add it to the other articles she's mentioned in, for the sake of consistency, or otherwise remove it from this page. [[User:Corey-067|Corey-067]] ([[User talk:Corey-067|talk]]) 21:13, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
-[[Gabriela Castaneda]][[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 21:18, August 13, 2019 (EDT)TheEld2
-Thank you. I was in the process of deleting my question because I realised it'd already been answered indirectly in other places when you answered. Appreciate the help. [[User:Corey-067|Corey-067]] ([[User talk:Corey-067|talk]]) 21:22, August 13, 2019 (EDT)