Editing Talk:GA-TL1 Longsword

==Halo 3 Design Changes==
Am I correct in assuming that the Longsword has changed since its original incarnation. For example, some form of atmospheric intake or vent is seen at the front of the craft, but these appear absent in [[Halo 3]]. Does anyone know the full extent of these changes?[[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

yeah plus the cockpit area has changed from the first two to halo3 Darkproxy

There are alot of changes, I'm currently compiling a pair of comparisons to spot all of em.  

[[User:Spartan 501|Spartan 501]] 06:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

==What's Wrong with These Images?==
[[Image:Longsword Bombers.jpg|thumb|Whats wrong with this image?]][[Image:Longsword Cockpit.jpg|thumb|Whats wrong with this image?]]what's wrong with these pictures is that they are'nt from in-game, using the cutscenes or gameplay. they were made using modding to adjust the camera angle. the pictures are cool, but are not official, because we can't know if they have been tampered with or not, like moving control panels, changing dimensions, etc., and may be misleading. -- 125.238.89.110 22:25, 10 December 2006 

== frigate ==

it says that frigates do not carry longswords + there are no habgers big enough [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 22:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

How could the Pillar of Autumn actually carried the Longsword? The POA isn't big enough for it!
--[[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 10:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

well it says it holded around 8 so well have to go with it although i agree because when you watch the end movie on halo 1 showing the chief escape the POA looks much bigger than the 1st movie on the game were you see the longswords with the POA so i dont know really but all we know is it does kk thanks! [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 13:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I count eleven, including the one in the hangar, not seven, like it says on the page. can anyone else confirm this? -SpecOps306


The PoA is a pretty big cruiser.

there has been some size discussion going on in some other sites, and it appears to me that this page's specs on the longsword are alittle to large.   the Longsword's wingspan does not appear to be larger than that of a B36 Peacemaker (230 foot wingspan), the predecossor to the current B52. I've personally scene these things, and i have pictures of people walking on the wings.  I specifically went through Co-Op to have someone try and stand in front of the thing without the mission ending, and it just does not seem right. 245 feet is just an outragous size.   

i really wish i knew where this person was getting their sizes from.  its way off.- CAB IV

There are major discrepancies regarding the Pillar of Autumn's size. It is officially recognised as being 1.17 km in length. Although it is at least 3 km long in some appearences, we have to pretend that it all makes sense even though it does not. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== A-A ==

does anyone know what Anti air missile the longsword posses to fight e.g. seraphs, or do the fire the ASGM-10s at seraphs? [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 17:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that longswords fire thier ASGM-10s at seraphs --[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 20:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

i did think this but it states that they have mass damage on an unshielded target, so i didnt think they would have the tracking ability of A-A missiles of today like the AMRAAM or AIM-9M sidewinder, because from the sondes of it hey are used to target capital ships but i suppose that they could use the ASGM-10s and that it has just been posted wrong kk, thanks mate--[[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 21:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== Title ==

I dont know about anyone else, but the title looks pretty fecked up. like theres another one behind it, bigger in size. if someone who knows how could fix it up, i would be grateful!! -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 07:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

:That has been happening on a lot of pages for some reason --[[User:Gzalzi|Gzalzi]] 07:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


==Title Pic==
Come on, doesn't anyone on this website have a better pic of a Longsword? If anyone has a better screenshot of a Longsword, (such as a screenshot of a Longsword in Halo:Custom Edition) ''please'' upload it and put it where the old pic of the Longsword is. Thank you.<br />
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Anyone think it's sad that the prettiest pic of a longsword is of it being shot down.


Yea i agree, this pic sucks. [[User:Ghost sangheili|Ghost elite]] 00:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

yeah, the ship would look better if it wern't blowni' up.--[[User talk:Arabsbananas|Arabsbananas]] 04:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Longsword pic ==

[IMG]http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l148/megatron6543/8441298-Medium.jpg[/IMG]

== Shields? ==

Look at the article Tour in Longsword. In one of the last readouts, where is ammo etc.. is also SHIELDS. Is longsword then equipped with them?

It is not. The texture for this readout was likely created on a whim, as the only craft which possess energy shielding in the Halo universe belong to the Covenant. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps (completely contextual speculation) the longword's computer can calculate opposing ship's shield strengths based on data taken from former UNSC encounters and help the pilot determine which targets to attack and which weapons to use.

Shilds could be a reference to heat sheilds. they are used by any Human ship that can function in space and atmosphere. [[user:themasteridiot|themasteridiot]]

== RE: Shields ==
A longsword does not have shields. [[User:Ghost sangheili|Ghost elite]] 12:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

==?????????==
this thing seems way too big to be a intercepter maybe a heavy fighter but the UNSC must have something smaller--[[User:Garyclementspunji|Garyclementspunji]] 00:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:They do, the [[SkyHawk]]. Remember, the Longsword was intended for ''space'' combat, never meant for the role it plays now.'''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Now if you look at the size comment then it would make sense as fighters and interceptors have grown in size with each passing generation

== Contemporary Comparison ==

The P-61 Black Widow is a better comparison to the Longsword than the B-17.

wait, where are you getting your information? do you have any idea what those 2 aircraft are? they are both multi-piston engined American aircraft form WWII. i fail to see any resemplence other than the P-61's role as a heavy night fighter/interceptor and the B-17's role as a bomber.-[[User:VYPER117|VYPER117]]

== Size  ==

the longsword is almost the size of a b2 bomber but it moves like an F-35 strike fighter however over the years fighters have grown in size look at the P-38 and then fast forward fifty years later and look at the changes in size it make sense if you truely think about it

== Longsword Fighter ==

I think that in one of the games, there should be a mini-game where Master Chief gets into a Longsword and flies into a space battle. Then, he blows up an uncountable number of fighters and ships.

Primary Weapon (Right Trigger) : 110 Rotary Guns (what does that mean anyway ?)
Secondary Weapon (Left Trigger) : Fires 12 missiles that home in on targets and recharges every 5 seconds
Third Weapon (B) : Launches a Shiva-Tipped Nuclear Warhead that recharges every 5 minutes

-Lotus Leaf

WOOOOO!!!!!I vote for this guy's idea.......It's like I've been saying whatif they had a battlefront2 type game where you have space battles and ground battles or can transition between the two--[[Special:Contributions/4.153.69.250|4.153.69.250]] 23:00, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST

== Longsword modifications ==

A lot of people seem to be getting hung up on trivial differences about this craft, from colouring, dimensions, modifciations etc.
When it comes to combat aircraft, if you look throughout history you will note that not everyone of them ended up looking the same after operational service.  Yes, they may have all been produced on the factory floor to a standard set by the prototypes that worked, but combat aircraft are modified for a variety of reasons once deployed into service, such as: 
- to carry mission specific ordinance;
- structurally modified by squadron engineers because what works in testing doesn't work/last during combat or extended use;
- to operate effectively in different environments (what enables space superiority may not enable air superiority);
- due to a lack of replacement/repair parts (operating far from resupply, behind enemy lines);
- and changes by ground/pilot/fleet crews (pilot/squadron/fleet colours/markings).

What you can say for sure is the basic design and dimensions, basic armament, and from there throw in a caveat about the design(s) being heavily modified by ground crew/squadrons/fleets due to operational requirements etc.

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Longswords seem to carry ordnance pods that can drop things such as target locaters. you can see what they say here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyWmnbni02U   * [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 03:52, August 2, 2010 (UTC) *

== Halo 3 Differences ==

to me the longsword looks smaller in halo 3 [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]]  18:28, 13 Oct 2008 (UTC)

== Incorrect Trivia ==

The trivia says this:
"In Halo 3, the only time you see Longswords in game is when they are being shot-down and crashing"

But in the cutscene just before Floodgate you see some fly right above you followed by the UNSC frigates Forward Unto Dawn and Aegis Fate. They aren't yet shot down.

== Physics Mistake ==
Escape velocity only applies to non-powered flight.  For powered vehicles like the longsword, the engines would only need to be powerful enough produce enough lift / produce enough thrust to overcome gravity.  The more notable thing to mention is that the same engines operate in a vacuum as well as atmosphere.  Assuming the engines function by burning fuel of some sort (rocketry-based) this implies that the ship carries an oxidizer for the fuel in addition to the fuel itself [[User: ElFroCampeador|ElFroCampeador]] <sup>[[User talk:ElFroCampeador|<font color="red">TALK</font>]]</sup> [[Image:Sergeant-gr1.gif|20px]] 22:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

God where to even ''begin'' tearing this apart... 

Escape velocity is just as relevant to a powered craft since no matter if one acquires the needed velocity all at once (fired out of a cannon or the like) or over a longer period of thrusting you must still reach escape velocity. The only thing that changes is what that speed happens to be since it get's lower as you climb you can in practice make orbit without reaching the the speed needed for a surface escape velcioty. That later bit is what you're thinking of and is how fast you'd need to go if you simply fired say a cannon shell from the ground. Thing is that's ''just one possible'' escape velocity. 

Adding an engine that thrusts as you climbs doesn't somehow mean you no longer must reach escape velocity to break orbit, it merely alters what the velocity will be. If you put an engine on the craft that cannot produce the needed velocity it won't matter if it can overcome gravity and climb it will NEVER escape orbit. Being able to overcome gravity means nothing any rocket plane can overcome gravity, but not any rocket plane can blast into low orbit; because it cannot produced the needed velcioty to do: ''it can't reach escape velcioty''. 

Thus in order for a vehicle to break orbit it's engine must not simply "overcome gravity" it must be able to overcome gravity ''while accelerating the vehicle up to the planetary escape velocity''. 

As for the second bit first off get the terms right "Fuel" is what runs the reactor "Reaction Mass" is glowly shit that comes out the tail pipe. The Longsword is clearly fusion powered these people can make a fusion reactor small enough to stick in a backpack for christ sake. A nuclear powered Longsword is child’s play by comparsion and we know the Pelican uses nuclear turbines. If the Longsword was rocket powered it would have to be the size of a fucking Saturn 5 rocket to do what it does. 

Such a drive would work by simply dumping your Remass into the flaming hot reactor chamber and shooting it out the back as superheated plasma. In an atmosphere it’s vaguely possible one could even use straight up air for this freeing you of the need to burn Remass when climbing for the first few dozen kilometers. What appear to be air intakes on the machine support the idea that it uses this approach. As a side effect it would also mean it would have effectively unlimited range on a planet (It would only need to land when it had to refuel the reactor which could be weeks or even months)--[[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 22:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

absolutely right there is no escape velocity for powered vehicles, the same argument may be applied to UNSC firgate which can hover above cities, they can move away from the earth at any speed they want provided they have enough fuel as they do.

 with reference to the game
In halo the longsword had to escape the halo rings in a specific time frame.. ie before the Autum blew up and it also had to enter a free fall trajectory taking it way from the ring and the planet it was orbiting, assuming a longsword engine can only run at high power ( the required power to escape the blast) for a certain time, before the engine overheats there could have been a "escape velocity" given those parameters ( to acheive the correct free fall trajectory). That escape velocity would off course have to be calculated by an AI.--[[User talk:Spartan3123|Spartan3123]] 23:51, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

== Designation? ==

How exactly are they designated? Like Knife 26 or 7-89? [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User_talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 11:23, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

My theory is that they are assigned (or pick) squadron names and then their numbers are assigned to them based on what fleet they are in.(just a theory I'm not really sure)--[[Special:Contributions/4.153.69.250|4.153.69.250]] 23:06, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST

== Squads r made by the UNSC ==

the unsc makes the squadrons probably and then asighn people to them and give them numbers in the squadron.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 20:40, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

: What are you talking about?? Please be more clear. '''[[User:Arabsbananas|<span style="color:Teal; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">CR8ZY-Ar@B</span><span style="color:Yellow; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">"Dancin' on Glass."</span>]]''' 20:43, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
kind of a crapy response to up top.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 20:39, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

: Answers only as good as the problem. [[File:80.png|20px]] '''[[User:Arabsbananas|<span style="color:Red; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">El Ammo Bandito,</span><span style="color:Yellow; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap"> "¡Para todas sus necesidades destructivas!"</span>]]''' 21:26, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

==Name Designation Conflict==
According to the Reach Human Arsenal video on Waypoint, it says that the Longsword is called the GA-TL1. Not C709. Feedback?--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 15:42, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

:Either one could be a designation given by the manufacturer, while the other may be used in the UNSC Navy itself; real militaries do that sometimes. Alternatively, it's a slightly different model of Longsword. I wouldn't go as far as to change it, but the other designation should be mentioned on the page. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:57, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, we've known that there's been variants of the Longsword, it makes sense that it may have a different designation. The problem is: how do we handle this? Do we rename the article? Do we keep it the same? Do we create a ''new'' article? [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 18:17, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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-{{Archived}}
+==Halo 3 Design Changes==
-==Size differences==
+Am I correct in assuming that the Longsword has changed since its original incarnation. For example, some form of atmospheric intake or vent is seen at the front of the craft, but these appear absent in [[Halo 3]]. Does anyone know the full extent of these changes?[[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
-Am I the only one who thinks that Tempest's Longsword is a tad too tiny?
+yeah plus the cockpit area has changed from the first two to halo3 Darkproxy
-Can someone please explain the brutal size difference of it?   --[[User talk:SpartanOfTheArk|SpartanOfTheArk]] 14:14, 14 February 2012 (EST)
-:It is too tiny. If you look closely, it can't even fit a single SPARTAN in the cockpit. My guess is that it was made small on purpose as an easter egg.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
-:What purpose would that serve as an easter egg? There are small Longswords in ''Halo 3'' that fly past you - I assume it's to go without taking up too much memory. Maybe they just transferred over one of the small ones rather than make their own 1:1 scale version (would the exploded Halo 3 one work?)-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:18, 14 February 2012 (EST)
+There are alot of changes, I'm currently compiling a pair of comparisons to spot all of em.
-::Good point.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
+[[User:Spartan 501|Spartan 501]] 06:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
-The size difference most likely what forunner said but if we want a canonical explanation it
+==What's Wrong with These Images?==
-could be the remote control ones considering the fact they dont need room for crew--[[User talk:Thehalocodplayer|Thehalocodplayer]] 23:09, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
+[[Image:Longsword Bombers.jpg|thumb|Whats wrong with this image?]][[Image:Longsword Cockpit.jpg|thumb|Whats wrong with this image?]]what's wrong with these pictures is that they are'nt from in-game, using the cutscenes or gameplay. they were made using modding to adjust the camera angle. the pictures are cool, but are not official, because we can't know if they have been tampered with or not, like moving control panels, changing dimensions, etc., and may be misleading. -- 125.238.89.110 22:25, 10 December 2006
-:This one is easy to clear up. The only time the Longsword has been shown in it's proper size was in Halo 1 and again in Halo 3 with the crashed version on the Ark in the sand. That's it. Every other Longsword seen in Halo 2, Halo 3, and even Reach, they are approximately half their intended size because they are in flight and not near anything to judge their size against. It's because the Longsword model in Halo 3 was mostly available as the half-size version and that was what was adapted into the multiplayer map. If you want to see the size difference, watch the mini-cutscene where the Longsword crashes on the Ark, stop the in-flight one in theater mode and pause it, and compare its size with the one already in the sand. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 08:29, 14 February 2014 (EST)
+== frigate ==
-==Longswords not in ''Halo 4''?==
+it says that frigates do not carry longswords + there are no habgers big enough [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 22:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
-Okay, here's a question. I couldn't help but notice that Longswords were not at all present in ''Halo 4''. Which begs the question, why? Have they been rendered obsolete when compared to the YSS-1000 Sabre and F-41 Broadsword starfighters? I mean, why not just upgrade the Longswords with the same technology as the Sabre and Broadsword fighters? I suppose that maybe they still are in service, but they just weren't included as part of the UNSC ''Infinity'''s complement, and possibly not fielded as often anymore. But this is all hypothetical. I don't suppose there isn't any information on this, is there? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:33, 21 March 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
+How could the Pillar of Autumn actually carried the Longsword? The POA isn't big enough for it!
+--[[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 10:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
-I second that, what is the status of Longswords in the post-war UNSC?[[User:262VigilantGuardian|262VigilantGuardian]] ([[User talk:262VigilantGuardian|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2014 (EST)
+well it says it holded around 8 so well have to go with it although i agree because when you watch the end movie on halo 1 showing the chief escape the POA looks much bigger than the 1st movie on the game were you see the longswords with the POA so i dont know really but all we know is it does kk thanks! [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 13:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
-Its possible that they were only kept in production as long as they were due the war being on, and that if they changed the type of spacecraft being produced that they would have to shut down all the factories that made longswords for several months whilst they are reworked to make more modern planes. Maybe. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] ([[User talk:VARGR|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2014 (EST)
+I count eleven, including the one in the hangar, not seven, like it says on the page. can anyone else confirm this? -SpecOps306
-:Do not mistake the absence of a game model from a particular game with its absence from the fiction. It was caused by the same reason as the true ''Pillar of Autumn'' model missing from Halo 2 or the MA5B not being in Halo 2 or 3. Each game has space and memory for only so many models, sounds, textures, etc., so they can't pack the games with everything. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 08:29, 14 February 2014 (EST)
-::Okay, good point. So, then, I wonder if they continued use in 2557 or 2558 and so on, or were they phased out and made obsolete due to the more advanced nature of the F-41 Broadsword? I guess I can understand if it was phased out, but still, it was kind of a cool starfighter. Maybe they didn't, and they upgraded it with some of the same technological enhancements for the Broadsword, but then again, that might be too expensive to upgrade and retrofit an existing fighter. Probably cheaper to manufacture the Broadsword than upgrading old ships and fighters. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 16:14, 4 March 2014 (EST)Xamikaze330
+The PoA is a pretty big cruiser.
-==Longsword Game Changes section==
+there has been some size discussion going on in some other sites, and it appears to me that this page's specs on the longsword are alittle to large.   the Longsword's wingspan does not appear to be larger than that of a B36 Peacemaker (230 foot wingspan), the predecossor to the current B52. I've personally scene these things, and i have pictures of people walking on the wings.  I specifically went through Co-Op to have someone try and stand in front of the thing without the mission ending, and it just does not seem right. 245 feet is just an outragous size.
-Shouldn't there be a Changes section describing how each model differs from its past and future iterations? Or does that not really matter in this case? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 16:18, 4 March 2014 (EST)Xamikaze330
-:If there are any gameplay changes between the ''Halo'' titles, we should have a section on those changes. However, Longswords are not part of gameplay: they are just objects scripted to appear in certain scenes or in the background of a level. If however you're referring to graphical updates, we should not have a section on graphical updates as such updates are expected to happen and such info is more than not to be redundant to users/readers. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  11:32, 8 March 2014 (EST)
+i really wish i knew where this person was getting their sizes from.  its way off.- CAB IV
-== Crew Compliment ==
+There are major discrepancies regarding the Pillar of Autumn's size. It is officially recognised as being 1.17 km in length. Although it is at least 3 km long in some appearences, we have to pretend that it all makes sense even though it does not. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
-I was just looking at a "tour" of the interior of the Longsword and it makes me wonder: where do the other two crew members sit? I am wondering if there really is four crew members or if the pilot and co pilot are the only two on board. The page says the information about the other two operators comes from The Essential Visual Guide...which already makes the canon status shaky.
+== A-A ==
-Looking at the pictures, I see different control panels but no other chairs. I can assure you that going mach 3 the other two crew members are going to need to sit somewhere. Should we clean try to verify that there ARE supposed to be four crew members even though there are only two positions?
+does anyone know what Anti air missile the longsword posses to fight e.g. seraphs, or do the fire the ASGM-10s at seraphs? [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 17:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
-The interior pics I was looking at are found here: http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_longswordtour/
+I think that longswords fire thier ASGM-10s at seraphs --[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 20:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
-I know there is a door in the picture, but I think that just leads to the maintenance bay. You would think the navigator and systems operator would be better suited to be in the cockpit than anywhere else. [[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 18:57, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
+i did think this but it states that they have mass damage on an unshielded target, so i didnt think they would have the tracking ability of A-A missiles of today like the AMRAAM or AIM-9M sidewinder, because from the sondes of it hey are used to target capital ships but i suppose that they could use the ASGM-10s and that it has just been posted wrong kk, thanks mate--[[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 21:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
-:Thanks for using my old article as a basis of comparison. You'll notice in my article I list only 2 crew, not 4. :) It's not hard to justify I don't think. I don't know if you're familiar with ''Star Trek: The Next Generation'', but on that ''Enterprise'' bridge, there were 5 stations at the back. Often crew members would stand at those stations, but they actually had pull out chairs flush with the station itself. Even had a lifting backrest. But when closed, it disguised very well that there was a seat there. Same could be said of the Longsword. There may well be seats hidden in the consoles themselves. There are also 3 different variety of Longswords. My article example was from ''Halo 1'', but ''Reach'' and ''Halo 3'' had different varieties of the craft and we've never seen the interiors of those. Maybe they have chairs for four... -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 22:10, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
+== Title ==
-Good article then! Do you think we should mention somewhere that the cockpit of at least the C709 only appears to have room for two crew? It kind of would make sense on the C709 as it is primary used as a fighter instead of a bomber. I do agree with your theory about the other Longsword models. But for at least the 709 we have only two "visible" seats. I also like your idea of fold out chairs. I don't know if we can ad that though without any evidence to back it up like your screen captures of the two visable seats back up the two crew members theory.
+I dont know about anyone else, but the title looks pretty fecked up. like theres another one behind it, bigger in size. if someone who knows how could fix it up, i would be grateful!! -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 07:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
-Think of the F-15. The A-D models all have room for one crew member as they are used only as fighters. But the E model is used for ground attack and has a second seat.
+:That has been happening on a lot of pages for some reason --[[User:Gzalzi|Gzalzi]] 07:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
-At the end of the day though I am just a VERY junior member. The final say so goes to you guys. I'm just making a really not important opinion.[[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 22:31, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
-:I'm junior-ish myself, having only started editing and commenting last year, but... having worked with 343i on a couple of projects, what I suggested is how their thought process works. They try and justify adding some detail where it doesn't interfere with what came before. Now, having said that, I'm not an employee and I don't make up canon (unless I'm actively working on something with them) but Halopedia deals in documenting verifiable canonical facts about Halo. In this instance, nothing more needs to be said. There's the fact that the interior of the C709 variant has two visible seats and there's the fact that the Visual Guide indicates 4 crew members. That's where the Halopedia article should end on it. It's not Halopedia's job to speculate about what could be, but to document what is. If more info is revealed in the future about where 4 could sit in a C709, that would be the time to amend the article. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 06:45, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
+==Title Pic==
+Come on, doesn't anyone on this website have a better pic of a Longsword? If anyone has a better screenshot of a Longsword, (such as a screenshot of a Longsword in Halo:Custom Edition) ''please'' upload it and put it where the old pic of the Longsword is. Thank you.<br />
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-Ok, thanks![[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 07:47, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
+Anyone think it's sad that the prettiest pic of a longsword is of it being shot down.
-I understand this is 6 months old, but I wanted to throw this in here. I just read for the first time ever the Halo Reach manual (I just skipped it and went to the game before) and it clearly states that the Longsword holds 4 people. I am an idiot. I know manuals are taken with a grain of salt, but it's canon status is better than my personal opinion. I apologize for making an a** out of myself and am now humbled by the experience. I will do more research on the matter before I comment next time. lol. [[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 11:51, 8 October 2014 (EDT)
-==Slipspace capability?==
+Yea i agree, this pic sucks. [[User:Ghost sangheili|Ghost elite]] 00:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
-Isn't it a tad early to reference that the Longsword is slipspace-capable on its own? We know from the past it cannot. Where was it parked in the comic when they introduced Fred, Linda, and Kelly? Perhaps in the hangar of a ship? The Longsword doesn't have all that much room inside. Room for 4 about. In the comic, when the 4 Spartans call back to report their sitrep to "ops", is that the Longsword or could that be the UNSC ship that got them to Gamma Halo? I think it's too much of a supposition that the Longsword is slipspace capable. Was there a UNSC ship just out of panel? It wasn't really needed for the storytelling of this issue although I'd have preferred they show something. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 09:32, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
-:Well ever since the Huragok started putting Slipspace drives in Pelicans I figured it was only a matter of time before they would do it for other small ships. Looking through the comic again it seems like Blue Team takes the Longsword directly from HIGHCOM Facility Bravo-Six to Gamma Halo. Not much evidence for another ship besides the possibly of the "ops" part.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 11:17, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
-::I think what he means is that it's kind of inferred based on recent events in the Kilo-Five Trilogy. And I have to agree. I haven't read any of the ''Halo: Escalation'' graphic novels (except for previews), but it does highly probable that is what happened. --[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:black; font-family: Halo3; font-weight:bold; font-size:110%">'''Xamikaze330,'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Patrollers|<span style="color:grey; font-family:skia">''Halopedia Team''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Black">'''Talk'''</font>]]</sup> 13:37, 25 July 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-:::I was only cautioning citation. If they made a panel in the comic showing the Longsword in slipspace, I'd too make the inference that the Longsword itself was slipspace-capable. Was the Longsword at Earth inside the hangar of a ship or in the open outdoors? Not clear. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 15:02, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
+yeah, the ship would look better if it wern't blowni' up.--[[User talk:Arabsbananas|Arabsbananas]] 04:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
-::::I am going to agree with ScaleMaster on this one. Assumption is not good enough. We need actual proof that the Longswords are slipspace capable. I don't care if the Engineers are working on Pelicans or that a Longsword appeared suddenly at a different location far away from the original. Just because we don't see a ship drop off the fighter at Gamma Halo doesn't mean there is none. Until we have proof that they are now slip capable, we should continue saying they are not. Just like in real life, circumstantial evidence is not conclusive enough.[[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 00:32, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
+== Longsword pic ==
+[IMG]http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l148/megatron6543/8441298-Medium.jpg[/IMG]
+== Shields? ==
+Look at the article Tour in Longsword. In one of the last readouts, where is ammo etc.. is also SHIELDS. Is longsword then equipped with them?
+It is not. The texture for this readout was likely created on a whim, as the only craft which possess energy shielding in the Halo universe belong to the Covenant. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
+Perhaps (completely contextual speculation) the longword's computer can calculate opposing ship's shield strengths based on data taken from former UNSC encounters and help the pilot determine which targets to attack and which weapons to use.
+Shilds could be a reference to heat sheilds. they are used by any Human ship that can function in space and atmosphere. [[user:themasteridiot|themasteridiot]]
+== RE: Shields ==
+A longsword does not have shields. [[User:Ghost sangheili|Ghost elite]] 12:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
+==?????????==
+this thing seems way too big to be a intercepter maybe a heavy fighter but the UNSC must have something smaller--[[User:Garyclementspunji|Garyclementspunji]] 00:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
+:They do, the [[SkyHawk]]. Remember, the Longsword was intended for ''space'' combat, never meant for the role it plays now.'''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
+Now if you look at the size comment then it would make sense as fighters and interceptors have grown in size with each passing generation
+== Contemporary Comparison ==
+The P-61 Black Widow is a better comparison to the Longsword than the B-17.
+wait, where are you getting your information? do you have any idea what those 2 aircraft are? they are both multi-piston engined American aircraft form WWII. i fail to see any resemplence other than the P-61's role as a heavy night fighter/interceptor and the B-17's role as a bomber.-[[User:VYPER117|VYPER117]]
+== Size  ==
+the longsword is almost the size of a b2 bomber but it moves like an F-35 strike fighter however over the years fighters have grown in size look at the P-38 and then fast forward fifty years later and look at the changes in size it make sense if you truely think about it
+== Longsword Fighter ==
+I think that in one of the games, there should be a mini-game where Master Chief gets into a Longsword and flies into a space battle. Then, he blows up an uncountable number of fighters and ships.
+Primary Weapon (Right Trigger) : 110 Rotary Guns (what does that mean anyway ?)
+Secondary Weapon (Left Trigger) : Fires 12 missiles that home in on targets and recharges every 5 seconds
+Third Weapon (B) : Launches a Shiva-Tipped Nuclear Warhead that recharges every 5 minutes
+-Lotus Leaf
+WOOOOO!!!!!I vote for this guy's idea.......It's like I've been saying whatif they had a battlefront2 type game where you have space battles and ground battles or can transition between the two--[[Special:Contributions/4.153.69.250|4.153.69.250]] 23:00, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST
+== Longsword modifications ==
+A lot of people seem to be getting hung up on trivial differences about this craft, from colouring, dimensions, modifciations etc.
+When it comes to combat aircraft, if you look throughout history you will note that not everyone of them ended up looking the same after operational service.  Yes, they may have all been produced on the factory floor to a standard set by the prototypes that worked, but combat aircraft are modified for a variety of reasons once deployed into service, such as:
+- to carry mission specific ordinance;
+- structurally modified by squadron engineers because what works in testing doesn't work/last during combat or extended use;
+- to operate effectively in different environments (what enables space superiority may not enable air superiority);
+- due to a lack of replacement/repair parts (operating far from resupply, behind enemy lines);
+- and changes by ground/pilot/fleet crews (pilot/squadron/fleet colours/markings).
+What you can say for sure is the basic design and dimensions, basic armament, and from there throw in a caveat about the design(s) being heavily modified by ground crew/squadrons/fleets due to operational requirements etc.
+Anoctris - anoctris@hotmail.com
+Longswords seem to carry ordnance pods that can drop things such as target locaters. you can see what they say here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyWmnbni02U   * [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 03:52, August 2, 2010 (UTC) *
+== Halo 3 Differences ==
+to me the longsword looks smaller in halo 3 [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]]  18:28, 13 Oct 2008 (UTC)
+== Incorrect Trivia ==
+The trivia says this:
+"In Halo 3, the only time you see Longswords in game is when they are being shot-down and crashing"
+But in the cutscene just before Floodgate you see some fly right above you followed by the UNSC frigates Forward Unto Dawn and Aegis Fate. They aren't yet shot down.
+== Physics Mistake ==
+Escape velocity only applies to non-powered flight.  For powered vehicles like the longsword, the engines would only need to be powerful enough produce enough lift / produce enough thrust to overcome gravity.  The more notable thing to mention is that the same engines operate in a vacuum as well as atmosphere.  Assuming the engines function by burning fuel of some sort (rocketry-based) this implies that the ship carries an oxidizer for the fuel in addition to the fuel itself [[User: ElFroCampeador|ElFroCampeador]] <sup>[[User talk:ElFroCampeador|<font color="red">TALK</font>]]</sup> [[Image:Sergeant-gr1.gif|20px]] 22:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
+God where to even ''begin'' tearing this apart...
+Escape velocity is just as relevant to a powered craft since no matter if one acquires the needed velocity all at once (fired out of a cannon or the like) or over a longer period of thrusting you must still reach escape velocity. The only thing that changes is what that speed happens to be since it get's lower as you climb you can in practice make orbit without reaching the the speed needed for a surface escape velcioty. That later bit is what you're thinking of and is how fast you'd need to go if you simply fired say a cannon shell from the ground. Thing is that's ''just one possible'' escape velocity.
+Adding an engine that thrusts as you climbs doesn't somehow mean you no longer must reach escape velocity to break orbit, it merely alters what the velocity will be. If you put an engine on the craft that cannot produce the needed velocity it won't matter if it can overcome gravity and climb it will NEVER escape orbit. Being able to overcome gravity means nothing any rocket plane can overcome gravity, but not any rocket plane can blast into low orbit; because it cannot produced the needed velcioty to do: ''it can't reach escape velcioty''.
+Thus in order for a vehicle to break orbit it's engine must not simply "overcome gravity" it must be able to overcome gravity ''while accelerating the vehicle up to the planetary escape velocity''.
+As for the second bit first off get the terms right "Fuel" is what runs the reactor "Reaction Mass" is glowly shit that comes out the tail pipe. The Longsword is clearly fusion powered these people can make a fusion reactor small enough to stick in a backpack for christ sake. A nuclear powered Longsword is child’s play by comparsion and we know the Pelican uses nuclear turbines. If the Longsword was rocket powered it would have to be the size of a fucking Saturn 5 rocket to do what it does.
+Such a drive would work by simply dumping your Remass into the flaming hot reactor chamber and shooting it out the back as superheated plasma. In an atmosphere it’s vaguely possible one could even use straight up air for this freeing you of the need to burn Remass when climbing for the first few dozen kilometers. What appear to be air intakes on the machine support the idea that it uses this approach. As a side effect it would also mean it would have effectively unlimited range on a planet (It would only need to land when it had to refuel the reactor which could be weeks or even months)--[[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 22:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
+absolutely right there is no escape velocity for powered vehicles, the same argument may be applied to UNSC firgate which can hover above cities, they can move away from the earth at any speed they want provided they have enough fuel as they do.
+ with reference to the game
+In halo the longsword had to escape the halo rings in a specific time frame.. ie before the Autum blew up and it also had to enter a free fall trajectory taking it way from the ring and the planet it was orbiting, assuming a longsword engine can only run at high power ( the required power to escape the blast) for a certain time, before the engine overheats there could have been a "escape velocity" given those parameters ( to acheive the correct free fall trajectory). That escape velocity would off course have to be calculated by an AI.--[[User talk:Spartan3123|Spartan3123]] 23:51, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
+== Designation? ==
+How exactly are they designated? Like Knife 26 or 7-89? [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User_talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 11:23, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
+My theory is that they are assigned (or pick) squadron names and then their numbers are assigned to them based on what fleet they are in.(just a theory I'm not really sure)--[[Special:Contributions/4.153.69.250|4.153.69.250]] 23:06, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST
+== Squads r made by the UNSC ==
+the unsc makes the squadrons probably and then asighn people to them and give them numbers in the squadron.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 20:40, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
+: What are you talking about?? Please be more clear. '''[[User:Arabsbananas|<span style="color:Teal; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">CR8ZY-Ar@B</span><span style="color:Yellow; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">"Dancin' on Glass."</span>]]''' 20:43, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
+kind of a crapy response to up top.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 20:39, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
+: Answers only as good as the problem. [[File:80.png|20px]] '''[[User:Arabsbananas|<span style="color:Red; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">El Ammo Bandito,</span><span style="color:Yellow; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap"> "¡Para todas sus necesidades destructivas!"</span>]]''' 21:26, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
+==Name Designation Conflict==
+According to the Reach Human Arsenal video on Waypoint, it says that the Longsword is called the GA-TL1. Not C709. Feedback?--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 15:42, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
+:Either one could be a designation given by the manufacturer, while the other may be used in the UNSC Navy itself; real militaries do that sometimes. Alternatively, it's a slightly different model of Longsword. I wouldn't go as far as to change it, but the other designation should be mentioned on the page. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:57, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
+:Yes, we've known that there's been variants of the Longsword, it makes sense that it may have a different designation. The problem is: how do we handle this? Do we rename the article? Do we keep it the same? Do we create a ''new'' article? [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 18:17, September 12, 2010 (UTC)