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| :If there are any gameplay changes between the ''Halo'' titles, we should have a section on those changes. However, Longswords are not part of gameplay: they are just objects scripted to appear in certain scenes or in the background of a level. If however you're referring to graphical updates, we should not have a section on graphical updates as such updates are expected to happen and such info is more than not to be redundant to users/readers. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:32, 8 March 2014 (EST) | | :If there are any gameplay changes between the ''Halo'' titles, we should have a section on those changes. However, Longswords are not part of gameplay: they are just objects scripted to appear in certain scenes or in the background of a level. If however you're referring to graphical updates, we should not have a section on graphical updates as such updates are expected to happen and such info is more than not to be redundant to users/readers. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:32, 8 March 2014 (EST) |
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| == Crew Compliment ==
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| I was just looking at a "tour" of the interior of the Longsword and it makes me wonder: where do the other two crew members sit? I am wondering if there really is four crew members or if the pilot and co pilot are the only two on board. The page says the information about the other two operators comes from The Essential Visual Guide...which already makes the canon status shaky.
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| Looking at the pictures, I see different control panels but no other chairs. I can assure you that going mach 3 the other two crew members are going to need to sit somewhere. Should we clean try to verify that there ARE supposed to be four crew members even though there are only two positions?
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| The interior pics I was looking at are found here: http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_longswordtour/
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| I know there is a door in the picture, but I think that just leads to the maintenance bay. You would think the navigator and systems operator would be better suited to be in the cockpit than anywhere else. [[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 18:57, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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| :Thanks for using my old article as a basis of comparison. You'll notice in my article I list only 2 crew, not 4. :) It's not hard to justify I don't think. I don't know if you're familiar with ''Star Trek: The Next Generation'', but on that ''Enterprise'' bridge, there were 5 stations at the back. Often crew members would stand at those stations, but they actually had pull out chairs flush with the station itself. Even had a lifting backrest. But when closed, it disguised very well that there was a seat there. Same could be said of the Longsword. There may well be seats hidden in the consoles themselves. There are also 3 different variety of Longswords. My article example was from ''Halo 1'', but ''Reach'' and ''Halo 3'' had different varieties of the craft and we've never seen the interiors of those. Maybe they have chairs for four... -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 22:10, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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| Good article then! Do you think we should mention somewhere that the cockpit of at least the C709 only appears to have room for two crew? It kind of would make sense on the C709 as it is primary used as a fighter instead of a bomber. I do agree with your theory about the other Longsword models. But for at least the 709 we have only two "visible" seats. I also like your idea of fold out chairs. I don't know if we can ad that though without any evidence to back it up like your screen captures of the two visable seats back up the two crew members theory.
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| Think of the F-15. The A-D models all have room for one crew member as they are used only as fighters. But the E model is used for ground attack and has a second seat.
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| At the end of the day though I am just a VERY junior member. The final say so goes to you guys. I'm just making a really not important opinion.[[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 22:31, 16 April 2014 (EDT)
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| :I'm junior-ish myself, having only started editing and commenting last year, but... having worked with 343i on a couple of projects, what I suggested is how their thought process works. They try and justify adding some detail where it doesn't interfere with what came before. Now, having said that, I'm not an employee and I don't make up canon (unless I'm actively working on something with them) but Halopedia deals in documenting verifiable canonical facts about Halo. In this instance, nothing more needs to be said. There's the fact that the interior of the C709 variant has two visible seats and there's the fact that the Visual Guide indicates 4 crew members. That's where the Halopedia article should end on it. It's not Halopedia's job to speculate about what could be, but to document what is. If more info is revealed in the future about where 4 could sit in a C709, that would be the time to amend the article. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 06:45, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
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| Ok, thanks![[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 07:47, 17 April 2014 (EDT)
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| I understand this is 6 months old, but I wanted to throw this in here. I just read for the first time ever the Halo Reach manual (I just skipped it and went to the game before) and it clearly states that the Longsword holds 4 people. I am an idiot. I know manuals are taken with a grain of salt, but it's canon status is better than my personal opinion. I apologize for making an a** out of myself and am now humbled by the experience. I will do more research on the matter before I comment next time. lol. [[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 11:51, 8 October 2014 (EDT)
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| ==Slipspace capability?==
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| Isn't it a tad early to reference that the Longsword is slipspace-capable on its own? We know from the past it cannot. Where was it parked in the comic when they introduced Fred, Linda, and Kelly? Perhaps in the hangar of a ship? The Longsword doesn't have all that much room inside. Room for 4 about. In the comic, when the 4 Spartans call back to report their sitrep to "ops", is that the Longsword or could that be the UNSC ship that got them to Gamma Halo? I think it's too much of a supposition that the Longsword is slipspace capable. Was there a UNSC ship just out of panel? It wasn't really needed for the storytelling of this issue although I'd have preferred they show something. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 09:32, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
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| :Well ever since the Huragok started putting Slipspace drives in Pelicans I figured it was only a matter of time before they would do it for other small ships. Looking through the comic again it seems like Blue Team takes the Longsword directly from HIGHCOM Facility Bravo-Six to Gamma Halo. Not much evidence for another ship besides the possibly of the "ops" part.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 11:17, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
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| ::I think what he means is that it's kind of inferred based on recent events in the Kilo-Five Trilogy. And I have to agree. I haven't read any of the ''Halo: Escalation'' graphic novels (except for previews), but it does highly probable that is what happened. --[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:black; font-family: Halo3; font-weight:bold; font-size:110%">'''Xamikaze330,'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Patrollers|<span style="color:grey; font-family:skia">''Halopedia Team''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Black">'''Talk'''</font>]]</sup> 13:37, 25 July 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330
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| :::I was only cautioning citation. If they made a panel in the comic showing the Longsword in slipspace, I'd too make the inference that the Longsword itself was slipspace-capable. Was the Longsword at Earth inside the hangar of a ship or in the open outdoors? Not clear. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 15:02, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::I am going to agree with ScaleMaster on this one. Assumption is not good enough. We need actual proof that the Longswords are slipspace capable. I don't care if the Engineers are working on Pelicans or that a Longsword appeared suddenly at a different location far away from the original. Just because we don't see a ship drop off the fighter at Gamma Halo doesn't mean there is none. Until we have proof that they are now slip capable, we should continue saying they are not. Just like in real life, circumstantial evidence is not conclusive enough.[[User:Rprince418|Rprince418]] ([[User talk:Rprince418|talk]]) 00:32, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
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