Editing Talk:Frederic-104

==Kills==
question. I recall, that fred,kelly and joshua killed 10,000 covenant, not 60,000
but if so tell me what page  they say it on.

==Should They Be Merged==
I was wondering why [[SPARTAN-104]] and [[Frederic-104]] have not been merged into the same page?  From what I can see, they both say the same thing.
[[User:James-001|James-001]] 22:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== The Pic ==

The one holding a sniper rifle is suppose to be Linda!--[[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 11:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll edit that. [[User: Dibol]]

Linda wasn't with Blue team at that time. Since Fred was the Spartans' second best sniper, that's probably him holding the sniper rifle.
~[[User:Chickenman|Chickenman]]

How can you tell it's not Linda, she was in the operation at the end of the book![[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 10:01, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's not Linda, because that pic is from The Battle of Sigma Octanus IV, not the operation at the end of the book. During the Battle of Sigma Octanus IV, the Spartans were divided into three teams. That pic is of the Master Chief and Blue Team, which consisted of Master Chief, Fred, Kelly and James. Linda was leading green team on the other side of the city.
~[[User:Chickenman|Chickenman]]

Can you give me the evidence about the pic being the war of Sigma Octanus IV? [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 13:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The picture IS Linda! WTF? The guy on the right w/ the shotgun should be Fred! James isn't on the cover at all! -Blemo 23:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


On http://halopedian.com/C%C3%B4te_d%27Azur, in the caption. I've also heard it elsewhere. Plus, it's the only battle in the entire book that takes place in a city. ~[[User:Chickenman|Chickenman]]

It can be on the Planet Reach, I am not entirely sure about the battle, give me two or three days look, maybe I agree with your theory[[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 05:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

:There are banshees in the image. Were they on Reach? --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|talk]])</sup> 05:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Fine, I admit it, have it your way, then![[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 10:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Not that I'm arguing with anybody, I think that the people on the cover are (from left to right) Kelly, Linda, John, and Fred. I really think James should be on the pic if he isn't already. - '''[[User:Blemo|<font color=black>Blemo</font>]]'''
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I think they are on Onyx.  The guy in the stealth armor I assume is a SPARTAN-3.  That is just my opinion.

== Speculation ==

I don't think Fred is superior to Master Chief. For example, Fred's tactics is not as good as John's, and I bet that if Master Chief is replaced by Fred, Fred could not have survive Alpha Halo and Delta Halo!--[[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 05:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree; could Fred survive the Flood?  Either way, some of the support for Fred as a leader is that he pulled off some impossible tasks, but at the same time, so did the Master Cheif.  Fred is a good leader (and my favorite Spartan), but he isn't the Master Cheif.

I removed the relevent comment.  The distinction of whose rank is higher is irrelevant since they are two different rank systems and chains-of-command.  Even if Fred's rank was much higher than the Chief, he still wouldn't be his commander. [[User:ElFroCampeador|ElFroCampeador]] 23:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

If you remember their was a comment somewhere that Fred was actually better than Master Chief but didn't want the attention.  Don't forget though he was as good if not better sniper and strategist than John.

They are equal, John is not better either, he relies off of luck, no real skill, whereas Fred is skill. If John had no luck, we would suckass. --[[User:Lord Lycan|Lord Lycan]] 23:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

There's just to much support for John being the better commander.
[[User:GenralMajors]]


lets just say there equel and stop rippin' each others throats out. plz?? I don't think It really matters.--[[User talk:Arabsbananas|Arabsbananas]] 03:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait what makes ElFroCampeador say that the Chief and Fred are in two different chains of command with two different rank systems?  They are both in the Navy, so Fred is a Higher rank than the Chief.--[[User talk:Caboose&#39;s Brother|Caboose&#39;s Brother]] 17:50, 13 February 2011 (EST)

== Votes ==

*'''MERGE''' '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">g<sup>u</sup>e<sub>s</sub>t<sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">p<sub>e</sub>r<sup>s</sup>o<sub>n</sub>y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green"><sup>t</sup>h<sub>i</sub>n<sup>g</sup>y</font>]]'''<font color="purple"><sup>I too am an AI... my owner's name is [[User:RelentlessRecusant|Supreme Honcho.]]</sup></font> 23:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''MERGE''' vote added by GPT, since he --> suggested it. {{unsigned|James-001}}
*'''MERGE''' its cool to have his name seen[[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 03:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' Its just logical--[[User:Irving|Chazz]] 03:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''MERGE'''~[[User:Chickenman|Chickenman]]
*'''MERGE''' - Some of the sections have identical content. It's possible an inexperienced user copied content not knowing how to make a redirect. Either way, the main content should be on the page Frederic-104 and this page a redirect page, per the new directive to have characters' names as the article name (not their designation or rank). -- [[User:Manticore|<b><span style="color: black">Manticore</span></b>]] [[User talk:Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">Talk</span></sup>]]<sup> | </sup>[[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">CSV</span></sup>]] 15:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' I agree they should be merged. [[User: Stryker|<font color="Black">Spartan-010:Stryker</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stryker|<font color="red">My Comm</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Stryker|<font color=black>My Battles</font>]]</sub> 23:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

== Isn't Fred sinior petty officer? ==

I was finally reading the first strike and i notice that fred identifies himself as senior petty officer and most of the time their team refers to him as "Chief." Whats the deal? (sorry if i ask is only that the speculation section is kind of weird, and i will read Ghost of onyx when i finish first strike [[User:Sebias 2|Sebias 2]] 01:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


In the book [[Ghosts of Onyx]] Fred was promoted to Lieutenant Junior Grade. [[User:Idolo|Idolo]] 01:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

==Query==
Is it possible they were given M6G's instead of M6C's? M6C's are common weapons and a scoped pistol is hardly "standard issue"... --[[User:TerminalFailure|TerminalFailure]] 15:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Fred's Armor ==

Why does he have Mark VI? Or is it those upgrade things that they put in their armor when they were trapped in Castle Base?

:He, Linda, and Will, returned to Earth to receive the Mk. VI, remember? But Kelly was kidnapped by Dr Halsey and went straight to Onyx.

Or, the Spartans could've all been upgraded with to Mark VI armor. In my opinion, that's what most likely happened. [[User:Idolo|Idolo]] 06:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

He Linda, Will and John went to Earth because they were the only surviving Spartans (aside from Kelly who was kidnapped and possibly Gray Team). So we can assume that Fred, Will, John, Linda were the only ones that received Mark VI--[[User talk:Caboose&#39;s Brother|Caboose&#39;s Brother]] 17:51, 13 February 2011 (EST)

== John vs Fred ==

I'm removing the "controversial argument" section, since all of it is pointless speculation. Who would be the better leader? We call ourselves a wiki and leave this up for this long? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 08:03, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== Fred in halo legends. ==

They pause at the booster frames and you could see the numbers 117 and 104,so we might see bleu team again.

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/852871/bungie-project-2/videos/halolegends_rewind_080409.html

I think that those 5 are john,fred,kelly,linda and kurt.

Just watched the Package, Should we pop the pic from halo Ledgends (He's the first on left) or keep him in full armor?
--[[User talk:CiaoGamer|CiaoGamer]] 23:25, December 4, 2009 (UTC)


== Fred on the cover of FOR ==

On the cover of Fall of Reach I think the Spartan on the far right is Fred. Also if it's during the Battle of Sigma Octanus why are they wearing Mark V MJOLNIR armor when they wore Mark IV during the battle? I think these are the Spartans on the cover, far left-Fred, one with sniper rifle-Linda, middle-John, and one with shotgun-James.--[[Special:Contributions/24.148.222.64|24.148.222.64]] 01:40, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

:Standard-issue MJOLNIR Mark V entered service in November 2551. We have no evidence to suggest that the SPARTAN-IIs didn't get Mark V until after Sigma Octanus IV. All we have is John-117 using his Mark V to test whether or not an AI can effect the handling of MJOLNIR armour.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 19:31, 13 February 2011 (EST)

==What the hell?!!==
Does Halo Legends have to mess '''everything''' up? Fred was clearly described as having black hair with silver streaks in ''The Fall of Reach''. Just because no one at 343 picked up a Halo novel doesn't mean they can **** up everything to whatever they want with the characters! Are they so freaking lazy they can't even do a bit of cross-referencing to make sure everything fits? Sorry for the rant but I find mistakes like these disgusting. Arby116
:Jesus, calm down, so what? I personally liked the look they gave for Fred. So his ''hair'' is a different color, big whoop. Get over it. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 13:48, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

:Yes, it is a big whoop. There's something called canon, which has to be upheld and is being kept in line at Halopedia, and even at Halo Fanon. Mistakes are still mistakes, and if they weren't aware of it (even worse, if they ''were''), this just shows that they care more about making money than doing a good job. If 343i can't set a standard higher than the "unofficial" writers at Halo Fanon do, then they're in the wrong line of business, and it also means that I have the right to object and hold little to no respect to them. <font type="arial">—<font size="1">'' [[User:Arbiter116|<font color="4682B4">Faith</font>]] <font color="006400">is to </font> <font color="4682B4">[[User profile:Arbiter116|know]]</font>. [http://www.halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/User:Sona_'Demal <font color="adff2f">Trust</font>]. <font color="006400">is to</font> [http://www.halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Sona_'Demal <font color="ffff00">believe</font>]''.</font></font>



:It been awhile since I last read ''The Fall of Reach'' but if it was said near the fall of Reach, then it is possible that his hair darken to look black and stress or time cause the silver streaks. Remember, we don't know when this takes place.[[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 15:06, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

:There's also the fact that they have an artistic license.  By no means expect anything to look like it should.  --[[User:Maslab|Do not insult me.]] 21:50, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

::I find artistic licence as a lame excuse for simple errors. I don't think being an anime gives the creators enough slack to disregard canon, nor do I think in keeping with canon should limit the visual delivery of an anime, not in the slightest. It just gives the impression that they either didn't care, or were too lazy with research to realise these facts. Its not even that hard to be aware of them, just see how easy Halopedia documents them. So it might just be the colour of hair, but I appreciate detail. Nevermind. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 00:49, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
:::It can be surprisingly difficult and time wasting to change something minute after weeks of making something in a 3D modeling program.  But yes, it is a bit lazy.  --[[User:Maslab|Do not insult me.]] 01:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
::Um, it would take no time at all. Just a few clicks to change that cluster of polygons to a different color. -- [[User talk:Lord Hyren|Lord Hyren]] 17:15, 2 January 2011 (EST)
::Well nice going man, you just insulted him. And have you realized how much better it would look if they just made it in the Halo engine?? Not only that, but they would save TIME too, as long as they got someone to do the acting. Because call me crazy but even the Halo '''2''' graphics are better than that. (hang on, getting a picture of CE and Legends side by side), Heck, I think CE is around as good as Legends. If Bungie would have sent a few of their guys out there, they could have made Legends in the Halo engine (Havok), and we would have been much more happy with the results![[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  16:42, 4 January 2011 (EST)!!!!!!!!

:::Congratulations to both users for replying to a one-year old discussion!- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:56, 4 January 2011 (EST)
::::Yay! :) *Grunt Birthday Party going on in background*[[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  17:12, 4 January 2011 (EST)!!!

Holy Shite, Halo-343 You lost your damn mind.  Hahahahahaha--[[User talk:Caboose&#39;s Brother|Caboose&#39;s Brother]] 17:27, 12 February 2011 (EST)
:Merely misplaced it. Don't worry, it's been reattached accordingly :P - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 18:07, 12 February 2011 (EST)

Hahaha Nice response mate--[[User talk:Caboose&#39;s Brother|Caboose&#39;s Brother]] 17:53, 13 February 2011 (EST)

==Forward Unto Dawn==

Since Fred and Kelly are confirmed for Forward Unto Dawn. Should the character profile picture be updated to a live action picture once an appropriate screen capture becomes available?{{Unsigned|‎Manwiththegun}}
:Doubt it. The pictures we have are of ''The Package'', while FuD occurs before it. Ideally, the images shown should be the latest chronologically.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 01:48, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
::They appear in the cast list on the Forward Unto Dawn's [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2262308/ IMDb page]. We'll decide on the pic later depending on what's available, but we probably won't change it. We already have live-action shots of John-117 but no one is even thinking about replacing his profile pic. Note that we also use the in-game version of Thomas Lasky, not the live-action version.--[[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty '''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112 '''</span>]] 01:59, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
Recentness versus detail. On [[Activation Index]] we chose to use the less recent image because it shows more detail. Now, a live action photo compared to a (canon-loose) CGI cartoon... [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 02:08, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
:The picture for the activation index is the render from the Halo Combat Evolved Anniversary HD version... [[User talk:SPARTAN-225|SPARTAN-225]] 06:49, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
::No, it's the one from Halo 2. Xamikaze330 named the file "File:H2-ActivationIndex.png", and the thumbnail caption is ''"The Activation Index of Installation 05."'' —<span style="font-family: Eurostile;">'''[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:#000;">SPARTAN</span>]][[User talk:Spartan331|<span style="color:#888;">331</span>]]'''</span> 07:07, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

==Rank==
Fred was promoted to Lieutenant, Junior Grade when he was on Onyx, right? So why does Dr. Clayton refer to him as a Lieutenant in the 2010 Adjunct of ''Ghosts of Onyx''? On Earth his rank isn't mentioned, but if he's getting a field promotion I doubt he was already an officer.--[[User talk:CaptainRaspberry|CaptainRaspberry]] 22:26, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
:It's been established as a mistake on part of the author, as canonically he was promoted on Onyx.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus,</span>]]'' ''[[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Halopedia Administrator</span>]]'' <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black">Talk</font>]]'''</sup> 22:28, 2 October 2012 (EDT)

==Fred or Frederic==
So a few years ago we moved this page from "Frederic-104" to "Fred-104" because he's nearly always called that in the books. But in ''Guardians'' he's referred to as Frederic, both by the characters and in the subtitles. Should we take this as the games superceding the books and change the article, or leave it be because of the majority of book examples? [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 22:54, 21 November 2015 (EST)

:I don't believe the games should inherently supersede the novels (at least in this case), though we do still have Samuel-034's article titled as such, even though he is often referred to as Sam. On the other hand, we also have Catherine-B320's article titled "Kat-B320" because she is nearly always referred to as "Kat" and we have Will's article title "Will-043". Honestly, I would leave it in this case, as Fred (along with Will) mention that he prefers to go by his name's shortform and it's actually kind of odd that he is so commonly referred to as "Frederic" in ''Halo 5''. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 23:52, 28 November 2015 (EST)

:I would assume he now prefers Frederic since he never shows any signs of disliking being referred to Frederic after the Covenant war. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - [[Blue Team|Team Chief]] 02:35, 29 November 2015 (EST)

:I figure that's how the games are going to refer to him from now on. Depends on if future books will follow. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 04:06, 29 November 2015 (EST)

I don't really have an opinion on whether to move the page or keep it as it is, but whether or not that happens, rather than replace the name ''again'' in every mention of him we could alternate between both forms of the name just as canon does in this and other cases like Will and Sam. Perhaps use the full name in the first mention of the character in an article and then use the short form in most subsequent mentions. That said, I don't think this is necessarily warranted with Kat since no one literally uses her full name, ever, aside from official documents. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 16:43, 24 December 2015 (EST)

:That works for character pages. I had been thinking about the level transcripts since his lines are always marked as "Frederic" but I had been writing "Fred" anyway. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 19:10, 24 December 2015 (EST)