Editing Talk:Forerunner symbols

File:Symbol 1.GIF|thumb|The non-glowing cyan symbol, is found on the back of the higher-rank Elites.]]

==Elites left arm==

There are three forerunners symbols on an Elites both arms and six more covenant symbols on it's back. If someone could ad those to the list, that would be great.

==Derelict==

Also, I'd like to take this time to point out one mystery that, as of yet, has been completely overlooked, as far as I've seen, [[Derelict]]. I remind you that the Halo is not the only Forerunner installation we set foot on, in Halo. The Halo itself, but also Derelict, the net level. It's quite intriguing. It's a small station, floating in space, with no Halo in sight. Though it appears to be at the lagrange (sp?) point between a large planet and a moon, just like Halo, and there is a sun directly above the station. Also of note is how the level seems almost a hybrid of Covenant lighting and Forerunner design, textures, etc. Let discussion ensue. -- [[User:Forerunner]]

:Let it be noted that this article and this comment here have been taken from [http://halosm.bungie.org/story/forerunner/jsymbols.html an article] at HBO. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 21:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::You know Forerunner, after doing some extensive research on my HD-graphics modded Halo PC, I have to agree about he symbols. They look very Covenant, but using the Forerunner symbols list, they mainly resemble the Forerunner language. And if I were to guess location, I'd say the area we last saw Chief.--[[User: Modern day Vercetti|The Vercetti]] 01:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

==GoO==
Did not Doctor Hasley state that forerunner symbols possessed "other" dimensions?
:How would i know i don't have any of the books
::Yes, though I think she meant as in 3D symbols.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 14:04, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

== Undefined Symbol ==

Just because it means Shield World doesn't mean it can only be on Shield Worlds. It's part of there language you don't think they would have said anything about it on other installations? It's like a directory in a mall or something they have a symbol for bathroom. Does the fact that the symbol is used on the directory mean that the actual symbols on the doors of bathrooms don't actually mean bathroom? I think not.{{Unsigned|96.42.85.109}}

:Yeah, but it's uncormirmed. While it is in the cover of GoO, it might just be another generic Forerunner symbol. It stays undefined unless we get a confirmation.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 06:15, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

== Same symbol? ==

Hasn't anybody else noticed that the installation 6 symbol and that the first symbol on the page are exactly the same?

== Proper name for ODST Glyphs ==

I am thinking of writing a little about the Glyphs showed in ODST. I'm just not sure what would be the best, proper name for them.

Unless you have any problems with '''Y-glyph''', I would prefer using it. Name comes from the shape, obliviously, and it has alredy gained some little popularity in Bnet.

So, you cool with this?

:I'd prefer to call them Huragok Glyphs, seeing they're the only ones who use them. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 19:46, January 28, 2010
: That crossed my mind, too. Great, I think I'll use it, then.

== An interesting discovery ==
File:Forerunner maybe.JPG|300px|right|thumb]]
i don't know when Microsoft first started using this as their logo for Office Outlook, but it looks suspiciously familiar{{Unsigned|VanFlyhight}}

:You just have a weird obsession with Halo.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 20:55, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

u don't see it? i found this on accident. and whats that supposed to mean anyway? [[User talk:VanFlyhight|Van Dominic Flyhight]] 20:59, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

:She's trying to say ''"You've been over-analysing stuff/too obsessed with Halo"''.[[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#000000;">{insert name</span>]] [[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#000000;">here}</span>]] 01:56, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

== Common Symbol ==

[[File:Fr universal symbol.png|thumb|right]]
I've composed a list of this symbol's appearances in Halo CE multiplayer.
*[[Hang 'Em High]]
*[[Derelict]]
*[[Infinity]]

Not too many, but I would think that it means: Forerunner, and the Forerunner use it as some kind of 'stamp' that they put onto installations that they've created. I would believe that minor outposts (Bllod Gultch, Avalanch, ect) wouldn't have these, for reasons I can't think of. [[File:Elitesymbol1.png|20px]][[User:Liquid Ink|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:Crimson;"><big>Elite</big></span>]] [[User talk:Liquid Ink|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:blue;"><big>B</big></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Liquid Ink|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:blue;"><big>81</big></span>]] 08:05, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Halo 2!
*[[Ascension]]
*[[Containment]]
*[[Relic]]

Again, small numbers. It is found on switches in Relic and Containment. My theory about it not being in small outposts is consistant here. [[File:Elitesymbol1.png|20px]][[User:Liquid Ink|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:Crimson;"><big>Elite</big></span>]] [[User talk:Liquid Ink|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:blue;"><big>B</big></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Liquid Ink|<span style="font-family:cursive; color:blue;"><big>81</big></span>]] 09:18, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

==Rename?==
Shouldn't this be renamed to "Forerunner glyphs"? The characters in the books seem to refer to these symbols as glyphs most of the time.--'''''[[Help:User Levels|<span style="color:green">Commander</span>]]''''' [[User:Halofan1234|<span style="color:cyan">光环的家伙1234</span>]] '''''[[User talk:Halofan1234|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]''''' ''([[Special:Contributions/Halofan1234|<span style="color:gold">Contribs</span>]])'' '''([[Special:Editcount/Halofan1234|<span style"color:cyan">Edits</span>]])''' 19:09, 19 November 2011 (EST)

== More Symbols? ==

What about the glyphs we see at the end of each Terminal in Combat Evolved Anniversary? The same ones used in Halo Waypoint's Terminal unlocker. They were also featured in Halo Wars. The fact that these symbols have appeared on Forerunner technology and are seen at the end of 343i's terminal logs, it is evident that they are forerunner in origin. These glyphs should be added here.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 01:17, 18 December 2011 (EST)

:There's an excellent version [http://the99thdoctor.deviantart.com/art/Terminal-Translation-270280327 by this fine fellow], along with a font link in the comments he kindly gave me. I've posted a request to use his image for the article. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:26, 18 December 2011 (EST)

==Has anybody noticed...?==

Has anybody ever noticed how the Forerunner glyphs and symbols looks almost identical to Ancient Lantian script from the ''Stargate'' universe? I thought it was very interesting, seeing as I've been watching ''Stargate SG-1'' and ''Stargate Atlantis'' for awhile now. It does look suspiciously familiar. I can't help but wonder, could this be a possible nod to ''Stargate''? --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 11:23, 22 February 2013 (EST)Xamikaze330

==Forerunner written language==
[[File:Halo-ForerunnerLanguage.jpg|right|200px|thumb|No idea where to put this...]]

I have no idea where to put this [[:File:Halo-ForerunnerLanguage.jpg|particular image]] of the Forerunner written language, but since it is considered to be canon, and therefore important, it should be put somewhere in the article. I mean, I can start a new subsection, but there lies the problem: While I know what image to start it off, I have no idea what to write about it. I suppose one could make mention of some of the Forerunner dialects, but of the written language, still drawing a blank. Some help would be much appreciated. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 15:50, 12 October 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:Oh, wait, never mind, I found a good place to put it. Hope y'all don't mind, as it is canon, and it is seen in a few ''Halo'' games. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 15:55, 12 October 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

::Where did those symbols get translated into English alphabetic characters? Seems rather strange there would be a 1:1 correlation. The Waypoint ones are just so we have a means of inputting codes, it's not a canonical valid means of translation. These are the old hieroglyphs I realize, but even if 343 Industries did this it would be ludicrous to think you could translate Forerunner-to-English like that. Where is the official source for this chart? -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 19:17, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

:::[http://www.deviantart.com/art/Forerunner-Font-98973881 Neat font, but fan-made]. Xamikaze, once again, falls for another fan-made content. :P — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  19:31, 12 October 2013 (EDT) 

::::What?? I was sure it was canon!! I mean, match up the numbers in [[:File:Glyphs.png|this glyphs image]] and you get the same results! So, you sure it is fan-made? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 19:58, 12 October 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:::::One of many rule of thumbs in any website: don't trust content unless it is properly sourced. Especially for any content in this wiki made in 2008 and before. I am even doubting whether those numbered glyphs appeared anywhere in H1 to H3 (nb: the image Xamikaze linked was uploaded by Lord Viltor (see [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:Glyphs.gif our old archive here]). That being said, yes, I am absolutely sure that it is fan-made. As I said, it is well made, and it is likely that someone could be fooled by it if they did not do a proper background check. :P — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  20:15, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

[[File:Glyphs.png|right|100px]]
[[File:Halo-ForerunnerNumberingSystem.png|right|100px]]

::::Well, here is a full comparison of the  [[:File:Halo-ForerunnerNumberingSystem.png|Forerunner numbering system]] and the [[:File:Glyphs.png|present image]]. See how they are so much alike? So, if it is a piece of fan art, then how and where did they come up with that convincing font? What's canon and what isn't? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 19:07, 19 October 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:::::''When there's a will, there's a way.'' Similar is not the same as identical. Accuracy is not the same as precision. That being said, the numbering system you uploaded is not canon. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  19:41, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

==Writing systems==
[[File:H4-DelRio-Infinity-Bridge-04.jpg|right|200px|thumb|]]
I've been meaning to ask this. Shouldn't we get rid of the mention to the writing system on the stone structures in the maps Sandtrap/Sandbox and just focus our attention on the new Forerunner writing system featured in Anniversary and Halo 4?  [[User:Forgotten Helljumper|<span style="color:red">Forgotten Helljumper</span>]] 00:40, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
:I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. We know the Forerunners spoke several different dialects and even the article states that they had at least two very distinct writing systems (contextual logograms and more traditional script). Maybe the glyph system on Requiem is associated with [[Digon]], given that it was spoken by Warrior-Servants. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:05, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
::We now know of those dialects because of Greg Bear's Forerunner Trilogy. My main complaint about the conventional script is that way back in the day Bungie wasn't in-depth about Forerunners and kept them a mystery. When they created those multiplayer maps they needed to make a generic alien writing script for the sake of the theme of those maps and pass them off as being "Forerunner-ish". Now that 343i is in charge, they have a definitive Forerunner style which should take precedence as its been shown in-game. The Glyph system is fine as they been mentioned in novels and carried over into the Reclaimer saga. I just don't think we should take a design from a stone in Halo 3's multiplayer and pretend like it was a legitimate Forerunner writing system or one of the newly created dialects from Bear's trilogy.  [[User:Forgotten Helljumper|<span style="color:red">Forgotten Helljumper</span>]] 03:01, 17 October 2013 (EDT)

:::I'm not saying it has to be one of the dialects Bear established. I was just making a point that there is absolutely no contradiction here, especially since distinct types of writing would fit very well even with the recently fleshed-out Forerunner fiction. Sure, the script seen in Sandtrap can be treated as secondary to the one created for ''Halo 4'', but unless 343i outright comes out and says it isn't canon or that the Forerunners only had one type of writing system, ''ever'', over many millions of years, I don't see why the two can't coexist. You're probably right (emphasis on "probably" since we don't know for sure) in that Bungie didn't put that much thought into the script seen in the MP maps, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a place in the fiction. 343i's approach so far has been to try and include every piece they can, and even if they don't quite fit together, they come up with a more or less workable justification. In this case, the canon excuse would practically write itself since there is nothing inconsistent about a civilization having two different writing systems. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:02, 17 October 2013 (EDT)

==Reword suggestion==
Can I put forward a idea that this article needs a little reworking. Images are everywhere and its one of the messier looking articles on this wiki - [[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 23:10, 24 November 2015 (GMT)