Editing Talk:FSS-1000 Sabre

==Basis==
[[File:Sabertooth5.gif|thumb|Saber-tooth Tiger. The creature that the Saber is named after.]]
The source is that video they just showed on the Halo Reach E3 campaign video. You can hear a Army soldier say "Sabers are ready to go" or something like that. Either way, I heard the word "SABER." It's most likely named after the Sabertooth tiger, a mammal. It would make since since UNSC vehicles are named after animals. [[User: EchostreamFanJosh|EchostreamFanJosh]]

:The E3 2010 Microsoft Press Conference shows it as a small space shuttle that is able to fight in space. --{{User:Cally99117/Sig|19:15|June 14|2010}}

:There's no such thing as a "Sabertooth tiger". And yes, we saw it too.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 18:16, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

:*OK. Smilodon, AKA Saber-tooth tiger. Also I created thsi page, how come I don't have the right to edit it? It's like only admins get all the points. [[User: EchostreamFanJosh|EchostreamFanJosh]]
:: I think your forgetting that the [[Longsword]] and [[Shortsword]] are not named after animals. [[User talk:Spartan 112|Spartan 112]] 18:34, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

::NO! Smilodon is a species of ''Saber-toothed '''CAT'''''. Scientists say that you shouldn't call them tigers because they aren't. As I said... "There's no such thing as a "Sabertooth tiger"".-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 18:34, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
::Orcas aren't whales, yet we call them killer whales. And don't act like a smart ass. Everybody calls it Saber-tooth tiger. Also it's archaeologists to be exact. and maybe people call it Saber-toothed tiger. Either way, nobody calls it a cat (even though it is) [[User: EchostreamFanJosh|EchostreamFanJosh]]

:::Just because you and the Flintstones call them that doesn't mean everyone else does. The world changed while you remained a smartass. I also find it very hypocritical that you call me a smartass and give a smartass comment.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 18:41, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

:Not sure if the term "space shuttle" is the most appropriate to describe this craft; it is a vehicle that can fly out of atmosphere, yes, but its primary purpose seems to be fighting in space instead of transporting cargo and personnel. Also, how do we know what branch it's operated by? Referring to the sentence on the page, isn't the Navy itself a part of the UNSCDF? It could also be an Air Force fighter but it's still likely to be a Navy one. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 18:19, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Longsword, Shortsword, Saber. It is likely that they are keeping with the bladed weapon moniker for UNSC space-fighters, as a saber is a type of sword...
[[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 18:48, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah. I doubt it is from the Smilodon (I've noticed that we always capitalize species names on this wiki... what's that about?) nickname because it would probably be called the "Sabertooth" rather than the "Sabre." Given that it is a form of sword, I would guess it is named after that. Sorry. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 00:07, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

==Weaponry==

Is this me or at some point of the trailer we can clearly see the sabre firing missiles at a covenant seraph [[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="LimeGreen">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="RoyalBlue">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color="Salmon">0</font>]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/A Company|<font color="Gold">0</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Chief frank 001|<font color="GreenYellow">1</font>]]</sup> 20:42, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

:In a few of the scenes you can see that the HUD is showing machine guns as the weapons the player was using at the time.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 16:53, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
:It has both guns and missles - like the Hornet.

== Sub-par engine systems ==

I have a question why does the Sabre need a booster system to achieve escape velocity when Pelicans and Longswords have proven capable of doing so on their own?--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 16:51, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

:It is probably meant exclusively for space combat ,therefore it cannot fly in atmosphere succesfully. [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|FatalSnipe117]] 21:23, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

::I'd agree with FatalSnipe117. The design doesn't look very aerodynamic for atmospheric flight - and remember that these were prototypes or newly introduced craft. Let's also keep in mind that we've never really had good figured for how long it takes for the craft to reach space - I'm sure the Pelican and Longsword can reach space on their own, but with a multistage launch rocket the Sabre could reach space much faster. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

:::It probably doesn't perform well in atmosphere, but it seems it is capable of atmospheric flight, considering it has rudders and flaps. If it was built solely for space flight, those wouldn't be needed at all. It may be able to land on a planet, much like a space shuttle. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:54, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
:::Agreed. But they were probably meant as space-launched fighters. Longsword is bulky like a B-2 Spirit. Sabre is very, very mobile, judging by the size. You can probably have 3-4 Sabres for one Longsword or 2 Seraphs. My bet Sabre's an interceptor that can't damage a capital ship. Matches the name - longsword's good at punching through armor, while sabre is used against soft targets.[[Special:Contributions/95.165.149.53|95.165.149.53]] 10:50, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

:::I agree. It probably doesn't do too well in atmosphere and it's a prototype.[[User talk:OniLink|OniLink]] 23:33, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

==New Pic==
Am I the only one who thinks that this recently uploaded pic should be the one at the top?   [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]]
==Physics==
Could anyone check if Sabre behaves by newtonian physics? Can it rotate 180 degrees, shoot the guy chasing it and keep going where it was going before turning (check any Battlestar Galactica vid on YouTube to see what I mean)?[[Special:Contributions/95.165.149.53|95.165.149.53]] 10:50, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

:If it was in space and it switched off the engine before doing so, yes - it can do that. However, I doubt that you will be able to perform such a manoeuvre in the game. It's hard to do that in a game.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 13:06, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
:Right stick to control the nose and RCS, left stick to trigger forward/reverse thrust... Ironically, real physics make combat ''more'' challenging and cinematic - unlike other real things.[[Special:Contributions/79.139.167.188|79.139.167.188]] 16:01, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Fall and Summer ==

Okay so, I've noticed there was a little edit war about when the Sabre was first used, I'm not the one who changed it to Summer or Fall, but August is in Summer because Fall starts September 21-22nd, in different parts of the world it's a different story but Bungie and Halo are American so I think it's better if we put it to Summer.. I don't really care what it says but I just don't want readers being confused... No disrespect to anyone, just wanted to clear it up before it started some huge fight like so many tiny things do.. [[User talk:Sicarius-X|Sicarius-X]] 15:47, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

:In the standardized calendar, it goes: Winter = November, December, January. Spring = February, March, April. Summer = May, June, July. Fall/Autumn = August, September, October. When these seasons technically start is a different story, i.e. Fall starts late September, but the calendar is organized for consistency and for easier navigation. We should follow the calendar, and not get into technicalities, because that would indefinitely start edit wars. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah.. I guess bro, sorry about that [[User talk:Sicarius-X|Sicarius-X]] 16:19, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

:No problem, I was just clarifying. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:22, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

== Helmejong Turn ==

As mildly noted above, the Sabre seems to be unable of performing a space-only maneuver of turning off your engines, facing backward, and firing backwards while still going forwards(which I like to call a Helmejong Turn). Further more, it seems to be unable to turn off its engines at all.

I was little annoyed at the non-inclusion of this until I realized, the Sabre fires projectile weapons, which naturally leads to recoil. So perhaps it is unable to perform this trick because it needs to keep its engines on at all times in order to absorb recoil from its weapons. It doesn't explain why Covenant ships aren't seen doing this maneuver however, seeing as plasma weapons should not have the same problem, but it's a start.[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''</span>]] 19:42, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

:I said it before. It's due to the game's engine. Canonically, they obviously can perform zero-g manoeuvres - it's just that the game's engine wasn't designed to do that. If it didn't act like it was in-atmosphere, Winter Contingency would have you float all over the place and warthogs would flip every twenty seconds.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 19:46, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I know, but that's the [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist answer], and I was looking at it from a Watsonian perspective. Regardless, it's just a theory, just wondering.[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''</span>]] 00:54, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
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 ==Weaponry==
-Is this me or at some point of the trailer we can clearly see the sabre firing missiles at a covenant seraph [[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="LimeGreen">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="RoyalBlue">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color="Salmon">0</font>]]UoH/A Company|<font color="Gold">0</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Chief frank 001|<font color="GreenYellow">1</font>]]</sup> 20:42, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
+Is this me or at some point of the trailer we can clearly see the sabre firing missiles at a covenant seraph [[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="LimeGreen">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="RoyalBlue">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color="Salmon">0</font>]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/A Company|<font color="Gold">0</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Chief frank 001|<font color="GreenYellow">1</font>]]</sup> 20:42, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 :In a few of the scenes you can see that the HUD is showing machine guns as the weapons the player was using at the time.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 16:53, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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 :It is probably meant exclusively for space combat ,therefore it cannot fly in atmosphere succesfully. [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|FatalSnipe117]] 21:23, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::I'd agree with FatalSnipe117. The design doesn't look very aerodynamic for atmospheric flight - and remember that these were prototypes or newly introduced craft. Let's also keep in mind that we've never really had good figured for how long it takes for the craft to reach space - I'm sure the Pelican and Longsword can reach space on their own, but with a multistage launch rocket the Sabre could reach space much faster. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
+::I'd agree with FatalSnipe117. The design doesn't look very aerodynamic for atmospheric flight - and remember that these were prototypes or newly introduced craft. Let's also keep in mind that we've never really had good figured for how long it takes for the craft to reach space - I'm sure the Pelican and Longsword can reach space on their own, but with a multistage launch rocket the Sabre could reach space much faster. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 :::It probably doesn't perform well in atmosphere, but it seems it is capable of atmospheric flight, considering it has rudders and flaps. If it was built solely for space flight, those wouldn't be needed at all. It may be able to land on a planet, much like a space shuttle. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:54, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
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 Okay so, I've noticed there was a little edit war about when the Sabre was first used, I'm not the one who changed it to Summer or Fall, but August is in Summer because Fall starts September 21-22nd, in different parts of the world it's a different story but Bungie and Halo are American so I think it's better if we put it to Summer.. I don't really care what it says but I just don't want readers being confused... No disrespect to anyone, just wanted to clear it up before it started some huge fight like so many tiny things do.. [[User talk:Sicarius-X|Sicarius-X]] 15:47, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:In the standardized calendar, it goes: Winter = November, December, January. Spring = February, March, April. Summer = May, June, July. Fall/Autumn = August, September, October. When these seasons technically start is a different story, i.e. Fall starts late September, but the calendar is organized for consistency and for easier navigation. We should follow the calendar, and not get into technicalities, because that would indefinitely start edit wars. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
+:In the standardized calendar, it goes: Winter = November, December, January. Spring = February, March, April. Summer = May, June, July. Fall/Autumn = August, September, October. When these seasons technically start is a different story, i.e. Fall starts late September, but the calendar is organized for consistency and for easier navigation. We should follow the calendar, and not get into technicalities, because that would indefinitely start edit wars. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 Yeah.. I guess bro, sorry about that [[User talk:Sicarius-X|Sicarius-X]] 16:19, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:No problem, I was just clarifying. -  [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:22, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
+:No problem, I was just clarifying. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:22, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 == Helmejong Turn ==
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 I know, but that's the [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist Doylist answer], and I was looking at it from a Watsonian perspective. Regardless, it's just a theory, just wondering.[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''</span>]] 00:54, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
-== Damage ==
-Shouldn't we add the fact that the YSS-1000 shows damage when hit without shields?--[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 15:48, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
-* UM... isn't that why it has shields, so it doesn't take damage?  I'm sorry if I'm kinda coming off as an ass but..... What else would it do?  Say ow?--[[User talk:Caboose&#39;s Brother|Caboose&#39;s Brother]] 20:57, 20 February 2011 (EST)
-==Size==
-How big is it. Dimensions in meters. Height, length, width. I know it looks about the size of a Pelican with roughly the same width, but considerably shorter. And the height I would have to guess would be 2-3 meters.
-== Sabre/Morgan ==
-Am I the only one that notices that one of those early concept art pictures of the Sabre resembles the ADFX-01 Morgan/ADFX-02 Morgan from Ace Combat 0? {http://acecombat.wikia.com/wiki/ADFX-02_Morgan} [[User:IceBite|IceBite]] ([[User talk:IceBite|talk]]) 00:23, 30 January 2013 (EST)