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==Different Types== | ==Different Types== | ||
this page seems to be dedicated to the scarab of [[Halo 3]]. should there not be pages for the Halo 2 scarab and Halo Wars scarab? [[User:VanFlyhight|VanFlyhight]] 18:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
==How is the Scarab deployed?== | ==How is the Scarab deployed?== | ||
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note that on the cruisers there are gravity lifts, they may have larger ones dedicated to the scarabs | note that on the cruisers there are gravity lifts, they may have larger ones dedicated to the scarabs | ||
==Scarab is Covenant species/Hunter variation?== | ==Scarab is Covenant species/Hunter variation?== | ||
I heard somewhere that a Bungie official said that the Hunters we saw in | I heard somewhere that a Bungie official said that the Hunters we saw in halo 2 were just the "tip of the iceberg". Maybe the scarabs are types of hunters! They bleed orange, they have lekgolo worms, and when you melee the core, you hear the squishy flesh sound. And, there's apparently no driver. Think about it. Why would they design a weak point and weak joints? | ||
:This theory's been about since Halo 3 came out. About the 'weak points', anything that requires four direct hits from a Scorpion to get temporarily disabled is hardly what I would call weak. Also, think about the Halo 3 Wraith. That's got a lovely little disc on the back that can be used to destroy it really quickly. Same for the 'eyes' of a Phantom. All vehicles have a weak point for balanca reasons. -[[User:Frozenjakalope|Jakalope]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | :This theory's been about since Halo 3 came out. About the 'weak points', anything that requires four direct hits from a Scorpion to get temporarily disabled is hardly what I would call weak. Also, think about the Halo 3 Wraith. That's got a lovely little disc on the back that can be used to destroy it really quickly. Same for the 'eyes' of a Phantom. All vehicles have a weak point for balanca reasons. -[[User:Frozenjakalope|Jakalope]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
::This is correct and will be confirmed on the assembly map on the mythic map pack. Watch red vs blue video on it for more. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQBTN8J_DFE&feature=channel_page] [[User talk:Josh40|Josh40]] 00:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC) | ::This is correct and will be confirmed on the assembly map on the mythic map pack. Watch red vs blue video on it for more. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQBTN8J_DFE&feature=channel_page] [[User talk:Josh40|Josh40]] 00:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Scarab AI== | ==Scarab AI== | ||
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i've been wondering,how do they get the scarab in they're ships?the grav lift seams to small and the docking bays ARE to small?where do they store it and how do they get it back in there? | i've been wondering,how do they get the scarab in they're ships?the grav lift seams to small and the docking bays ARE to small?where do they store it and how do they get it back in there? | ||
Have u seen regret's assault carrier compared to IAC?, then comapre a peli to IAC then a peli to a scarab---cHR0n0sPh3r3 | Have u seen regret's assault carrier compared to IAC?, then comapre a peli to IAC then a peli to a scarab---cHR0n0sPh3r3 | ||
== Halo 3 == | == Halo 3 == | ||
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with it being more bulbous at the end, it mounts a smaller plasma beam that seems weaker and a second one on its rear and it seems vulnerable to small arms fire (as it suffers damage to its legs from rocket strikes). It is also purple, does no longer seem to have a lower interior deck and its legs are different. [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th | with it being more bulbous at the end, it mounts a smaller plasma beam that seems weaker and a second one on its rear and it seems vulnerable to small arms fire (as it suffers damage to its legs from rocket strikes). It is also purple, does no longer seem to have a lower interior deck and its legs are different. [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th | ||
:The walker is very similar to the Scarab. Yes, it is possible that Bungie made another new walker, but it is just as likely if not even more likely that they remodeled it. The Scarab in the trailer and the Scarab on this page are similar enough that they are instantly recognized as being such. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 17:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | :The walker is very similar to the Scarab. Yes, it is possible that Bungie made another new walker, but it is just as likely if not even more likely that they remodeled it. The Scarab in the trailer and the Scarab on this page are similar enough that they are instantly recognized as being such. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 17:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
::I think that this the same Scarab but has some new aditions. [[User:Clavix2|Clavix2]] 17:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | ::I think that this the same Scarab but has some new aditions. [[User:Clavix2|Clavix2]] 17:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
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:::Did either of you even compare the image to that of the Scarab. It would be like remoddling the Wraith into a Ghost. Apart from the legs and the green glowing 'eye' they look very much different [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th | :::Did either of you even compare the image to that of the Scarab. It would be like remoddling the Wraith into a Ghost. Apart from the legs and the green glowing 'eye' they look very much different [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th | ||
::::Maybe it's a Brute Scarab? They remodelled the Plasma Rifle didn't they? Why not the awesomely powerful Scarab? --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font> | ::::Maybe it's a Brute Scarab? They remodelled the Plasma Rifle didn't they? Why not the awesomely powerful Scarab? --[[Image:Final Goji.jpg|40px]] [[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 18:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
Here's something to think about. Scarabs were designed for mining, not combat. The ones used in Halo 2 were just makeshift weapons that Regret deployed. The major refinement to the legs in the screenshot seems to be extra armor - as could be the purple plating. This may be because they're adapting something that proved effective in combat to a combat role, or it could be the Brutes' natural instinct to destroy everything showing through. That could also, easily, explain the new thing on the tail of it - which looks like a weapon emplacement that could have been added. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | Here's something to think about. Scarabs were designed for mining, not combat. The ones used in Halo 2 were just makeshift weapons that Regret deployed. The major refinement to the legs in the screenshot seems to be extra armor - as could be the purple plating. This may be because they're adapting something that proved effective in combat to a combat role, or it could be the Brutes' natural instinct to destroy everything showing through. That could also, easily, explain the new thing on the tail of it - which looks like a weapon emplacement that could have been added. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Perhaps a comment should be added to the article about the dispute about what it is. If it ends up not being a Scarab, we can update appropriately when the game is released --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | :Perhaps a comment should be added to the article about the dispute about what it is. If it ends up not being a Scarab, we can update appropriately when the game is released --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
::Maybe i should note that 'inesctoid mining vehicle' was never expressly named as the Scarab. Also why would the scarab need to be refitted with extra armor, it was virtually impenetrable to start with and if they did 'refit' it, it seems a rather silly and extensive refit. | ::Maybe i should note that 'inesctoid mining vehicle' was never expressly named as the Scarab. Also why would the scarab need to be refitted with extra armor, it was virtually impenetrable to start with and if they did 'refit' it, it seems a rather silly and extensive refit. | ||
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[[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th | [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th | ||
The argument that the walker is vulnerable to small arms fire is an unfair assessment. Phantoms and Pelicans have, likewise, been made vulnerable to small arms fire. That was a redesign from a conceptual level rather than a redesign from inside the Halo Universe. After all, they destroyed a Scarab with moderate difficulty at the beginning of GoO and, IIRC, they didn't use things more powerful than rockets and tanks. --[[User:206.75.46.254|206.75.46.254]] 20:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Forgottenlord not logged in | The argument that the walker is vulnerable to small arms fire is an unfair assessment. Phantoms and Pelicans have, likewise, been made vulnerable to small arms fire. That was a redesign from a conceptual level rather than a redesign from inside the Halo Universe. After all, they destroyed a Scarab with moderate difficulty at the beginning of GoO and, IIRC, they didn't use things more powerful than rockets and tanks. --[[User:206.75.46.254|206.75.46.254]] 20:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Forgottenlord not logged in | ||
Hmmm, a valid arguement but in Halo 2 its atchually ben noted as being impervious to UNSC weaponary. Its noted that rockets, .50 cal rounds and 90mm anti tank shells and between 8-16 ANVIL-II missiles seem to have no effect however either. Infact, according to Halo 2 its only weakness is boarding and sabotage from the deck underneath. Of course a counter arguement can be that the attack in the trailer only shows its legs and outwards objects being disabled and infact master chief easily obliterates an object just inside it rumoured to be its power core with a Spiker and makes it explode violently. [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 13th | Hmmm, a valid arguement but in Halo 2 its atchually ben noted as being impervious to UNSC weaponary. Its noted that rockets, .50 cal rounds and 90mm anti tank shells and between 8-16 ANVIL-II missiles seem to have no effect however either. Infact, according to Halo 2 its only weakness is boarding and sabotage from the deck underneath. Of course a counter arguement can be that the attack in the trailer only shows its legs and outwards objects being disabled and infact master chief easily obliterates an object just inside it rumoured to be its power core with a Spiker and makes it explode violently. [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 13th | ||
I have noticed that at one point in the E3 2007 trailer that the Chief and the Arbiter are standing and behind them is an original Scarab, it looks way more similar to the Halo 2 version than the new one. I believe that the new vehicle is not a Scarab. (By the way it might just be the Chief standing) Im not signed in but I am SPARTAN-101 | I have noticed that at one point in the E3 2007 trailer that the Chief and the Arbiter are standing and behind them is an original Scarab, it looks way more similar to the Halo 2 version than the new one. I believe that the new vehicle is not a Scarab. (By the way it might just be the Chief standing) Im not signed in but I am SPARTAN-101 | ||
Crikey! so many people batting the "is it or isnt it" about! Why cant it simply be a Scarab Mk II? Its a far more efficient and advanced design than the one used in Halo 2, but it is still recognisably a Scarab, regardless of design, purpose or armament. | Crikey! so many people batting the "is it or isnt it" about! Why cant it simply be a Scarab Mk II? Its a far more efficient and advanced design than the one used in Halo 2, but it is still recognisably a Scarab, regardless of design, purpose or armament. [[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 03:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
It looks like a very redisigned battle scarab, or perhaps a brute scarab. However it still retains, large legs, cannons, and decks, so I think its fair to call it a Scarab from now. And just because they can be damaged by weapons now means nothing. Phantoms can be damaged now, but they are still phantoms, right? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | It looks like a very redisigned battle scarab, or perhaps a brute scarab. However it still retains, large legs, cannons, and decks, so I think its fair to call it a Scarab from now. And just because they can be damaged by weapons now means nothing. Phantoms can be damaged now, but they are still phantoms, right? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
The argument of it now being weak to small arms fire has nothing to do with it being a new vehicle. I think that was more of a gameplay choice than anything. After all, it is more fun to fight it and have it fight you than to follow it and kill some Covenant to board it. Also, if it has four legs, one or more large lasers, and is big enough to ride, it's a Scarab.[[User:ArchonGold|ArchonGold]] 22:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | The argument of it now being weak to small arms fire has nothing to do with it being a new vehicle. I think that was more of a gameplay choice than anything. After all, it is more fun to fight it and have it fight you than to follow it and kill some Covenant to board it. Also, if it has four legs, one or more large lasers, and is big enough to ride, it's a Scarab.[[User:ArchonGold|ArchonGold]] 22:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
In Halo 3 (The Storm), at the same time the "walker" appears, Sgt. Johnson says "Scarab! Find some cover." So obviously it is a Scarab.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 23:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | In Halo 3 (The Storm), at the same time the "walker" appears, Sgt. Johnson says "Scarab! Find some cover." So obviously it is a Scarab.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 23:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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[http://www.wizkidsgames.com/halo/images/Halo_Scarab_Large.jpg|H3 Scarab] | [http://www.wizkidsgames.com/halo/images/Halo_Scarab_Large.jpg|H3 Scarab] | ||
--'''[[User:Knuxchao|<font color="Goldenrod">Reborn Knuxchao</font> | --'''[[User:Knuxchao|<font color="Goldenrod">Reborn Knuxchao]]</font> <small> <sub>[[User_talk:Knuxchao|<font color="DarkGoldenrod">T</font>]]</sub> <sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Knuxchao|<font color="SaddleBrown">C</font>]]</sup> </sub> <sup>[[Special:Random|<font color="Black">R</font>]]</sup></small>''' 03:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Well it appears to be much lower to the ground (using Warthogs and mongooses running around its feet along with master chief shooting at its underbelly in its vid) so if scale to existing vehicles and palyers isn't worth anything, i don't know what is. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 02:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC) | Well it appears to be much lower to the ground (using Warthogs and mongooses running around its feet along with master chief shooting at its underbelly in its vid) so if scale to existing vehicles and palyers isn't worth anything, i don't know what is. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 02:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Designation? == | == Designation? == | ||
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When you shoot the core it bleeds and the 'blood' looks like a darker colour of hunter blood. [[User:Alexspartan117|Alexspartan117]] 16:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | When you shoot the core it bleeds and the 'blood' looks like a darker colour of hunter blood. [[User:Alexspartan117|Alexspartan117]] 16:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
Trust me, the Scarab isn't made of Lekgolos. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font> | Trust me, the Scarab isn't made of Lekgolos. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 17:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
[http://www.example.com Maybe not] but they do appear to be driven by them --[[User talk:RSIxidor|RSIxidor]] 18:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC) | [http://www.example.com Maybe not] but they do appear to be driven by them --[[User talk:RSIxidor|RSIxidor]] 18:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Imagine if you could drive that scarab in multiplayer mode and somebody flips its, imagine what funny things it could say:):):) | Imagine if you could drive that scarab in multiplayer mode and somebody flips its, imagine what funny things it could say:):):) | ||
:Could you stop saying that in every section here? --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 19:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC) | :Could you stop saying that in every section here? --[[Image:MA5C ICWS Assault Rifle.jpg|50px]] ''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;">'''Blemo'''</span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">EMAIL</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="''Loser''. noun -- Anyone that is dumb enough to stare at a message on someone's signature for no apparent reason. You reading this pretty much proves the point.">MESSAGE</span></font></small></sub>'' 19:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Consensus please == | == Consensus please == | ||
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I'm seeking general Halopedian opinion here, since the article is contradictory in this point. Is the Scarab a mining vehicle turned to combat uses during the First Battle of Earth, or is it a combat vehicle of a similar design to those mining vehicles seen by Kelly in First Strike? -[[User:Frozenjakalope|Jakalope]] 04:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | I'm seeking general Halopedian opinion here, since the article is contradictory in this point. Is the Scarab a mining vehicle turned to combat uses during the First Battle of Earth, or is it a combat vehicle of a similar design to those mining vehicles seen by Kelly in First Strike? -[[User:Frozenjakalope|Jakalope]] 04:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Its a combined mining-combat vehicle, which specialises in excavation but is fully capable of combat. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font> | :Its a combined mining-combat vehicle, which specialises in excavation but is fully capable of combat. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' | ||
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== THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!! == | == THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!! == | ||
WHY? there is no longer even 1 image of the H2 scarab on here????!?!?!? How do you expect us to gain from this knolage if its absent??? --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öW讥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 22:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC) | WHY? there is no longer even 1 image of the H2 scarab on here????!?!?!? How do you expect us to gain from this knolage if its absent??? --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öW讥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 22:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Um...just put one back in? I mean, come on! There's no need to yell. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font> | :Um...just put one back in? I mean, come on! There's no need to yell. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 22:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
== I added a new image... == | == I added a new image... == | ||
i added 2 new images to the page in the '''Variation''' section. the hgn scarab and the h2 scarab... both .png's. --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öW讥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 20:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC) | i added 2 new images to the page in the '''Variation''' section. the hgn scarab and the h2 scarab... both .png's. --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öW讥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 20:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Fight Dead Scarab? How? == | == Fight Dead Scarab? How? == | ||
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So they glassed to dig for the entrance to The Ark and it was totally unharmed. What could they have possibly done to anything he was digging for in Halo 2? Burned it a little maybe? | So they glassed to dig for the entrance to The Ark and it was totally unharmed. What could they have possibly done to anything he was digging for in Halo 2? Burned it a little maybe? | ||
:They didn't know the scale of what they were looking for. Scarabs are enough to uncover the usual structures, but this one was dozens of kilometers across. They didn't have the time. So they brought in ships to do the work. --'''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] | :They didn't know the scale of what they were looking for. Scarabs are enough to uncover the usual structures, but this one was dozens of kilometers across. They didn't have the time. So they brought in ships to do the work. --'''[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[userWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
== weird face == | == weird face == | ||
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When I weakened it, I destroyed it why did it is back on track. | When I weakened it, I destroyed it why did it is back on track. | ||
*This is a place to ask questions about the article, not about the actual subject of the article. Join a Bungie forum if you want to ask about matters such as this. | *This is a place to ask questions about the article, not about the actual subject of the article. Join a Bungie forum if you want to ask about matters such as this. | ||
==Article== | ==Article== | ||
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But the problem is why Bungie did not created a separatist scarab for the elites? | But the problem is why Bungie did not created a separatist scarab for the elites? | ||
They did: Halo 2, Great Journey level. We just don't see any in Halo 3, that doesn't mean they don't exist. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 01:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | They did: Halo 2, Great Journey level. We just don't see any in Halo 3, that doesn't mean they don't exist. --<b>[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]][[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 01:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
But i mean not in Halo 2 becuse if they could have one Scarab in Halo 3 i guess that it would be the same colors like the Phamtons and the Elites could give more help at the Citadel battle :) Anyways elites rocks | But i mean not in Halo 2 becuse if they could have one Scarab in Halo 3 i guess that it would be the same colors like the Phamtons and the Elites could give more help at the Citadel battle :) Anyways elites rocks | ||
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== the types == | == the types == | ||
I think one is a heavier armored variant while the other has better armor but the legekelo cant control the heavier armor because of the weight while the purple one is just a light variant that they can move easily | I think one is a heavier armored variant while the other has better armor but the legekelo cant control the heavier armor because of the weight while the purple one is just a light variant that they can move easily | ||
== Type-48? == | == Type-48? == | ||
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Shouldn't they be considered a living thing because they are simply a metal shell pumped full of lekgolo (as seen on assembly) with a conscience and everything and intentionally seek out and attack you without a visible driver like other covenant vehicles and hunters are the same way and we consider them as living lets see a dark teal metallic shell controlled by lekgolo worms who are the only way it can be damaged and will actively seek you out and attack with a large flowing green plasma weapon this describes hunters and scarabs they are either both vehicles or both living i say living but its not up to me i say this must be resolved --[[User talk:Ubuntu Dragon|Ubuntu Dragon]] 02:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC) | Shouldn't they be considered a living thing because they are simply a metal shell pumped full of lekgolo (as seen on assembly) with a conscience and everything and intentionally seek out and attack you without a visible driver like other covenant vehicles and hunters are the same way and we consider them as living lets see a dark teal metallic shell controlled by lekgolo worms who are the only way it can be damaged and will actively seek you out and attack with a large flowing green plasma weapon this describes hunters and scarabs they are either both vehicles or both living i say living but its not up to me i say this must be resolved --[[User talk:Ubuntu Dragon|Ubuntu Dragon]] 02:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:That's what I think. It's almost like a really big hunter. <font color="cyan">'''Teh lolz!'''</font> [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: cyan; font-family: Halo3,Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Bionicle+Lotr'''</span>]] 21:10, September 27, 2009 (UTC) | :That's what I think. It's almost like a really big hunter. <font color="cyan">'''Teh lolz!'''</font> [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: cyan; font-family: Halo3,Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Bionicle+Lotr'''</span>]] 21:10, September 27, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Wait == | == Wait == | ||
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in character compatibility the Covenant species shouldn't lose the ability to drive in because no one sees it any more it should be what can drive it instead.A Elite can drive it in halo 2 from there on instead of only in halo 2--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 21:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC) | in character compatibility the Covenant species shouldn't lose the ability to drive in because no one sees it any more it should be what can drive it instead.A Elite can drive it in halo 2 from there on instead of only in halo 2--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 21:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
:English, please? --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http:// | :English, please? --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] [[UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] [[File:Bouncy Wiki Logo.gif|38px]] 21:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
They don't lose the ability because they are not driving them in the next game. Its like you see a guy drive his car to the store but the next day he walks there so he cant drive from there on.So all character compatabilityy should be changed to just who can and who cant instead of (Only in Halo 2)....--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 03:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | They don't lose the ability because they are not driving them in the next game. Its like you see a guy drive his car to the store but the next day he walks there so he cant drive from there on.So all character compatabilityy should be changed to just who can and who cant instead of (Only in Halo 2)....--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 03:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
I think what Sangheili is trying to say is, just because we don't see the covenent drive the Halo 3 Scarabs does not mean that they can't. They could be using an Autopilot | I think what Sangheili is trying to say is, just because we don't see the covenent drive the Halo 3 Scarabs does not mean that they can't. They could be using an Autopilot | ||
==What has Halopedia done?== | ==What has Halopedia done?== | ||
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If every time a artist took some liberty in the Graphic Novel is taken as being straight canon, then there's gotta be a dozen new species of Covenant, a whole new species of Huragok, etc etc. [[User talk:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 15:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC) | If every time a artist took some liberty in the Graphic Novel is taken as being straight canon, then there's gotta be a dozen new species of Covenant, a whole new species of Huragok, etc etc. [[User talk:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 15:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:We are here to give out information based on what is accepted as canon, from an in-universe perspective. We do our best to enforce that, and people like me get annoyed as Hell whenever somebody starts bitching about how they think things should be done and are one-track minded. If you don't like it, no offense, but bugger off, because we don't want people whining all the time about something being done according to standards and how they do not think it should be done said way. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 17:22, October 4, 2009 (UTC) | :We are here to give out information based on what is accepted as canon, from an in-universe perspective. We do our best to enforce that, and people like me get annoyed as Hell whenever somebody starts bitching about how they think things should be done and are one-track minded. If you don't like it, no offense, but bugger off, because we don't want people whining all the time about something being done according to standards and how they do not think it should be done said way. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[Image:S4.jpg|18px]] 17:22, October 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
No I will not bugger off. For one, you are bitching about my bitching so you are a hypocrit. I am one-track minded? How so? If I'm talking about art here then I'm obviously not being one-track minded because art is very loose and creative. Actually, I think it is all opinion whoever says the Scarab in the Halo Graphic Novel isn't canon. Would it not better if you stated that it is POSSIBLY not canon and that there's a chance it could be canon, because then it's not set in stone. Don't say it as if it's law because it's not. If someone said that it isn't canon then it is because someone does not want it to be because it goes against what they feel to be correct. | No I will not bugger off. For one, you are bitching about my bitching so you are a hypocrit. I am one-track minded? How so? If I'm talking about art here then I'm obviously not being one-track minded because art is very loose and creative. Actually, I think it is all opinion whoever says the Scarab in the Halo Graphic Novel isn't canon. Would it not better if you stated that it is POSSIBLY not canon and that there's a chance it could be canon, because then it's not set in stone. Don't say it as if it's law because it's not. If someone said that it isn't canon then it is because someone does not want it to be because it goes against what they feel to be correct. | ||
And Ajax...a dozen new species of Covenant? Really? Come on...You can always tell what is an Elite and what is a Grunt. Hell even Frank O' Connor explained this about the Halo: Legends. It doesn't matter how an Elite is shown, as long as it looks like the basics of an Elite then it will be an Elite. Just because they changed something small like a gauntlet or a helmet or a colour of the eye doesn't make it an entirely different species. Now THAT is one-track minded. Did you not notice they changed the Jackals look about three times, all made by some artists? If that is acceptable then why isn't it so for other Halo labelled things such as the Graphic Novel? [[User talk:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:08, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | And Ajax...a dozen new species of Covenant? Really? Come on...You can always tell what is an Elite and what is a Grunt. Hell even Frank O' Connor explained this about the Halo: Legends. It doesn't matter how an Elite is shown, as long as it looks like the basics of an Elite then it will be an Elite. Just because they changed something small like a gauntlet or a helmet or a colour of the eye doesn't make it an entirely different species. Now THAT is one-track minded. Did you not notice they changed the Jackals look about three times, all made by some artists? If that is acceptable then why isn't it so for other Halo labelled things such as the Graphic Novel? [[User talk:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:08, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Actually, yes, it is considered policy. The canon-strict policy we have on Halopedia insists that only canon may be accepted into the articles. As for the Scarab, it is not considered canon because simply, it isn't. The Graphic Novel is mentioned in the article last I checked, but not considered canon, because frankly, it looks not a bloody thing like a Scarab. Finally, I didn't accuse you of being one-track minded, I accused you of objecting to the one-track mindedness. I'm dearly sorry, but this is how things are done. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 14:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | :Actually, yes, it is considered policy. The canon-strict policy we have on Halopedia insists that only canon may be accepted into the articles. As for the Scarab, it is not considered canon because simply, it isn't. The Graphic Novel is mentioned in the article last I checked, but not considered canon, because frankly, it looks not a bloody thing like a Scarab. Finally, I didn't accuse you of being one-track minded, I accused you of objecting to the one-track mindedness. I'm dearly sorry, but this is how things are done. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[Image:S4.jpg|18px]] 14:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:The presence of the Scarab in Halo Graphic Novel is canon, but the way it is drawn is not. Now, that being said: The Graphic Novel is canon as long as it does not contradict the established canon information. This is similar to the situation of ILoveBees. Note that we didn't say the Scarab in HGN is not canon; we just stated that the visuals are contradictory and are based on the artists' perspectives. To support this, ''the story is canonical (it was authorized by Bungie), but the visuals of the story clearly are not''. It is not a new Scarab variant; it is the artists' interpretation of how they see the Halo Universe as. This is why you can notice the Elites are drawn differently and why there's a early concept of Master Chief being shot by Elites in the Scarab image. This also applies throughout all stories and arts in HGN; the way the Energy Sword is drawn is different than the game and the way artists drew the Flood from the first two stories. | :The presence of the Scarab in Halo Graphic Novel is canon, but the way it is drawn is not. Now, that being said: The Graphic Novel is canon as long as it does not contradict the established canon information. This is similar to the situation of ILoveBees. Note that we didn't say the Scarab in HGN is not canon; we just stated that the visuals are contradictory and are based on the artists' perspectives. To support this, ''the story is canonical (it was authorized by Bungie), but the visuals of the story clearly are not''. It is not a new Scarab variant; it is the artists' interpretation of how they see the Halo Universe as. This is why you can notice the Elites are drawn differently and why there's a early concept of Master Chief being shot by Elites in the Scarab image. This also applies throughout all stories and arts in HGN; the way the Energy Sword is drawn is different than the game and the way artists drew the Flood from the first two stories. | ||
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:Could you provide a specific evidence just to support this? Curiosity.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:37, October 26, 2009 (UTC) | :Could you provide a specific evidence just to support this? Curiosity.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:37, October 26, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::On page 244-245 of the halo enclyopidiea. it refers to the halo 2 model as "Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform", and the halo 3 model as "Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform V.2 variant" stating the v.2 "...has only one Anti-aircraft gun, but it does have 360-degree firing..." it goes onto state how "... it is shorter, but wider.." and says "... it is also controlled by a colony of lekgolo." but the enclyopidia also ha a fair amount of mistakes, so it's level of canon is disputed. [[User talk:Jabberwockxeno|Jabberwockxeno]] 22:51, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | ::On page 244-245 of the halo enclyopidiea. it refers to the halo 2 model as "Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform", and the halo 3 model as "Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform V.2 variant" stating the v.2 "...has only one Anti-aircraft gun, but it does have 360-degree firing..." it goes onto state how "... it is shorter, but wider.." and says "... it is also controlled by a colony of lekgolo." but the enclyopidia also ha a fair amount of mistakes, so it's level of canon is disputed. [[User talk:Jabberwockxeno|Jabberwockxeno]] 22:51, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::First, spell-phail. Second, based on your phail input of the Encyclopedia's description of the Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform, it seems that the Encyclopedia is just saying that the behemoth had an upgrade in their weaponry. Dire times during war requires modification to weaponry/technology.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | :::First, spell-phail. Second, based on your phail input of the Encyclopedia's description of the Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform, it seems that the Encyclopedia is just saying that the behemoth had an upgrade in their weaponry. Dire times during war requires modification to weaponry/technology.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::Yes, but remember: a complete revamp means it becomes a completely new model. Halo 2: Original Scarab. Halo 3: New Scarab. Also, considering that the Halo 3 Scarab is destructible, I'd like to tell you that invincibility>destructibility and considering that the new model takes about two seconds to kill a Spartan head on, whereas the original killed anything that glanced it, I'd hardly call that an upgrade. The only thing the new Scarab has over the old one is that it can climb over buildings and the like, but that probably isn't too important considering that the Halo 2 one could just walk over or destroy those buildings. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] | ::::Yes, but remember: a complete revamp means it becomes a completely new model. Halo 2: Original Scarab. Halo 3: New Scarab. Also, considering that the Halo 3 Scarab is destructible, I'd like to tell you that invincibility>destructibility and considering that the new model takes about two seconds to kill a Spartan head on, whereas the original killed anything that glanced it, I'd hardly call that an upgrade. The only thing the new Scarab has over the old one is that it can climb over buildings and the like, but that probably isn't too important considering that the Halo 2 one could just walk over or destroy those buildings. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[Image:S4.jpg|18px]] 23:11, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::Have you ever consider that that is purely to balance out the game? Also, please remember that the Scarab in H2 are part of a level/scenery, doesn't have an AI and not an actual vehicle model whereas the ones in H3 actually has its very own model and also an AI. That being said, when it is part of the scenery, Bungie intended that scenery model to be destroyed at specific points of the location and by completing specific objectives whereas in H3, the model had an AI and is no longer part of the scenery, thus having its very own model which can freely move around the map and allowing the players to destroy it by using any methods they can think of.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | :::::Have you ever consider that that is purely to balance out the game? Also, please remember that the Scarab in H2 are part of a level/scenery, doesn't have an AI and not an actual vehicle model whereas the ones in H3 actually has its very own model and also an AI. That being said, when it is part of the scenery, Bungie intended that scenery model to be destroyed at specific points of the location and by completing specific objectives whereas in H3, the model had an AI and is no longer part of the scenery, thus having its very own model which can freely move around the map and allowing the players to destroy it by using any methods they can think of.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::I understand perfectly. What I am saying is that it has been completely changed, even in non-gameplay options. An example is that the H3 model is Lekgelo controlled, whereas the H2 one is controlled by a sapient being. It doesn't change the gameplay, but accompanied by the fact that they have given them a complete overhaul, it is, dare I say it, ignorance to think that the two are the same. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:09, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | :::::I understand perfectly. What I am saying is that it has been completely changed, even in non-gameplay options. An example is that the H3 model is Lekgelo controlled, whereas the H2 one is controlled by a sapient being. It doesn't change the gameplay, but accompanied by the fact that they have given them a complete overhaul, it is, dare I say it, ignorance to think that the two are the same. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[Image:S4.jpg|18px]] 00:09, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::Maybe it's an oversight/ret-con by Bungie? H2 is known for its messy but interesting plot, themes and elements. But you might be right... --<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ::::::Maybe it's an oversight/ret-con by Bungie? H2 is known for its messy but interesting plot, themes and elements. But you might be right... --<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::::I don't think it is an oversight by Bungie if it was featured in two games. However, maybe the games are just a retelling of events from Master Chief's perspective, and he's just making it invincible to go along with the story. Just saying... -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:24, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | :::::::I don't think it is an oversight by Bungie if it was featured in two games. However, maybe the games are just a retelling of events from Master Chief's perspective, and he's just making it invincible to go along with the story. Just saying... -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[Image:S4.jpg|18px]] 00:24, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Quote|The decision to redesign the Scarab had as much to do about improving gameplay as it did with improve technology|Statement from Art of Halo 3}} | {{Quote|The decision to redesign the Scarab had as much to do about improving gameplay as it did with improve technology|Statement from Art of Halo 3}} | ||
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::::::::It isn't controlled by Lekgelo. To finish the level in Halo 2, Cortana tells you to kill the drivers, and in the final level, Johnson drives it. But you might be right as to the artistic thing. Nonetheless, they are two different machines. | ::::::::It isn't controlled by Lekgelo. To finish the level in Halo 2, Cortana tells you to kill the drivers, and in the final level, Johnson drives it. But you might be right as to the artistic thing. Nonetheless, they are two different machines. | ||
::::::Hey Ascension? We CAN spell FAIL. With an F. And did YOU ever think that maybe it WASN'T JUST for balance? They're two clearly different machines and you're completely missing the point of this argument. They're different looking. they have different capabilities. They have different armaments. And they most certainly are described as DIFFERENT machines in the encyclopedia. You would know if you looked it up. Whether they operate under different scripting AIs or have different weaknesses (etc) or gun strengths is completely irrelevant to your argument of classification and actually strengthens the argument as to why they shouldn't be considered the same. Get over it and stop fighting common sense AND canon. Phantastic Phail.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:15, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ::::::Hey Ascension? We CAN spell FAIL. With an F. And did YOU ever think that maybe it WASN'T JUST for balance? They're two clearly different machines and you're completely missing the point of this argument. They're different looking. they have different capabilities. They have different armaments. And they most certainly are described as DIFFERENT machines in the encyclopedia. You would know if you looked it up. Whether they operate under different scripting AIs or have different weaknesses (etc) or gun strengths is completely irrelevant to your argument of classification and actually strengthens the argument as to why they shouldn't be considered the same. Get over it and stop fighting common sense AND canon. Phantastic Phail.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:15, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::::Refer to my previous comment, [[User:Nerfherder1428|phailure-who-happens-to-phails-at-everything]]. Oh, lookie, a wikipedia link to [[wikipedia:Phail|phailure]].--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | :::::::Refer to my previous comment, [[User:Nerfherder1428|phailure-who-happens-to-phails-at-everything]]. Oh, lookie, a wikipedia link to [[wikipedia:Phail|phailure]].--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::::: Or it's NOT an oversight OR a retcon and the prevailing theory that they're two different models for slightly different purposes reigns as truth. A truth that is confirmed thanks to the Encyclopedia. Thank you and good day sir. | :::::::: Or it's NOT an oversight OR a retcon and the prevailing theory that they're two different models for slightly different purposes reigns as truth. A truth that is confirmed thanks to the Encyclopedia. Thank you and good day sir. | ||
::::::::And your "phail" link goes to a wikipedia page about FAILURE and the internet's obsession with the word FAIL. Not phail. Sorry. We kin spail thangs hurr! Gawly! I'm sorry that I expected to hear a mature response from somebody who knows his stuff. Too bad I had to hear from you instead. It's an ugly thing to see an obnoxious S.O.B. submit to defeat.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ::::::::And your "phail" link goes to a wikipedia page about FAILURE and the internet's obsession with the word FAIL. Not phail. Sorry. We kin spail thangs hurr! Gawly! I'm sorry that I expected to hear a mature response from somebody who knows his stuff. Too bad I had to hear from you instead. It's an ugly thing to see an obnoxious S.O.B. submit to defeat.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||