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| Edited the number of Scarab legs from "four or six" to simply "four." No source given, and no reference to where a six-legged Scarab is ever seen. [[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] 09:56, 18 Dec 2009 (UTC)
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| : Six-Legged Scarabs don't exist. Maybe in some art novel. But not in any game. [[User:Youngrubby|<span style="color:green"><b>Rezo </b></span><span style="color:blue"><b>'Scratoqee</b></span>]] ([http://halopedian.com/User_talk:Youngrubby <span style="color:red"><b>Talk</b></span>]) 20:14, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| This page seems to be dedicated to the scarab of [[Halo 3]]. should there not be pages for the Halo 2 scarab and Halo Wars scarab? [[User:VanFlyhight|VanFlyhight]] 18:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
| | this page seems to be dedicated to the scarab of [[Halo 3]]. should there not be pages for the Halo 2 scarab and Halo Wars scarab? [[User:VanFlyhight|VanFlyhight]] 18:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC) |
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| A: they are dropped from Covenant starships in space, not unlike UNSC orbital drop pods, and do in fact thrusters on their legs to break their fall. Bustie24 15:30, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Scarab is Covenant species/Hunter variation?== | | ==Scarab is Covenant species/Hunter variation?== |
| I heard somewhere that a Bungie official said that the Hunters we saw in Halo 2 were just the "tip of the iceberg". Maybe the scarabs are types of hunters! They bleed orange, they have lekgolo worms, and when you melee the core, you hear the squishy flesh sound. And, there's apparently no driver. Think about it. Why would they design a weak point and weak joints? | | I heard somewhere that a Bungie official said that the Hunters we saw in halo 2 were just the "tip of the iceberg". Maybe the scarabs are types of hunters! They bleed orange, they have lekgolo worms, and when you melee the core, you hear the squishy flesh sound. And, there's apparently no driver. Think about it. Why would they design a weak point and weak joints? |
| :This theory's been about since Halo 3 came out. About the 'weak points', anything that requires four direct hits from a Scorpion to get temporarily disabled is hardly what I would call weak. Also, think about the Halo 3 Wraith. That's got a lovely little disc on the back that can be used to destroy it really quickly. Same for the 'eyes' of a Phantom. All vehicles have a weak point for balanca reasons. -[[User:Frozenjakalope|Jakalope]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | | :This theory's been about since Halo 3 came out. About the 'weak points', anything that requires four direct hits from a Scorpion to get temporarily disabled is hardly what I would call weak. Also, think about the Halo 3 Wraith. That's got a lovely little disc on the back that can be used to destroy it really quickly. Same for the 'eyes' of a Phantom. All vehicles have a weak point for balanca reasons. -[[User:Frozenjakalope|Jakalope]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC) |
| ::This is correct and will be confirmed on the assembly map on the mythic map pack. Watch red vs blue video on it for more. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQBTN8J_DFE&feature=channel_page] [[User talk:Josh40|Josh40]] 00:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC) | | ::This is correct and will be confirmed on the assembly map on the mythic map pack. Watch red vs blue video on it for more. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQBTN8J_DFE&feature=channel_page] [[User talk:Josh40|Josh40]] 00:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC) |
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| ::Actually, scarabs are justhuge machines deployed from Covenant dropships. JUST MACHINES!!! not hunters, and as it turns out, they were originally used for mining, so they didn't really need armour, which explains the weak leg joints. Bustie24 15:29, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::You are partially correct, while they are machines, they are controlled by [[Lekgolo]] worms which also compose the Hunter. CoH/Member List#Field Masters|<span style="color:gold">''Field''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Colonel|<span style="color:#000000">''Master''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 16:59, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| i've been wondering,how do they get the scarab in they're ships?the grav lift seams to small and the docking bays ARE to small?where do they store it and how do they get it back in there? | | i've been wondering,how do they get the scarab in they're ships?the grav lift seams to small and the docking bays ARE to small?where do they store it and how do they get it back in there? |
| Have u seen regret's assault carrier compared to IAC?, then comapre a peli to IAC then a peli to a scarab---cHR0n0sPh3r3 | | Have u seen regret's assault carrier compared to IAC?, then comapre a peli to IAC then a peli to a scarab---cHR0n0sPh3r3 |
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| Where they store it? hmmm... let me think about that, Oh, I know! In the ''hangar'', where all the vehicles go... [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 23:01, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| :True, the hanger, but I think he was looking for specifics. You don't store PELICANS! (awesome) in a Longswod hanger. The Phantom hanger of a Covie cruiser is probably not the best place to put a Scarab. And cHR0n0s, please google 'grammar' and read up on it. This is not a text message or some IM. I would hope people here would aim for a bit higher degree of professionalism. Thanks. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 00:13, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::If you look at the end of the level [[Floodgate (Level)|Floodgate]] you will notice that the Phantoms are parked in there, along with a huge [[UNSC Frigate|Frigate]], I think they could fit a scarab in there too. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 00:41, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::THey probably could. You could also fit a PELICAN in a Longsword hanger, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best/right place to store it. I suspect the Scarabs are placed in some sort of hanger with release doors on the bottom and/or sides to allow the Scarabs to drop/walk out onto the battlefield. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 00:45, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Looks at this File:AC_Cargobay.jpg, and note under the hangar that it has a Grav lift, compare it to the rest of the 5K long ship, and I'd say a Scarab could fit through that. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 00:54, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::I see. I'm not saying you're wrong...just that the Scarab ''could'' go somewhere else, and perhaps it is ''better'' to put it somewhere else, not that it ''can't'' fit in a Phantom hanger. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 00:58, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::I realise this fact, I'm just saying, hell, they might even have something up in the roof of the hangar to dangle the scarabs off, that then lifts them out of the hangar, to be dropped from the section just in front of it. Or maybe, they deploy them like they deploy the the aliens in War of the worlds, out of the cannon ;D [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:02, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::::Gotcha. That is a possibility. Maybe you should ask the Covenant how they prefer to deploy their Scarabs. Maybe they'll even give you a demonstration. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 01:04, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::::::I think I'll pass on that idea... sounds a tad too risky. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:08, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::::They said they deploy it from high altitude and the lumbering behemoth somehow survives the drop and gets right back to 'devastating' the UNSC. then PELICANS come in and rip it to shreds because nothing can stop them. That actually brings me to my next two points: why did they send in Master Chief when a flight of PELICANS could have devastated the entire Covenant? And secondly, the two Scarabs on [[The Covenant (level)|The Covenant]]...they drop out of nowhere. There's no ship for them to come down from if I recall correctly, and when you look up, they don't spawn. You have to look away. Odd. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 01:12, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| Suppose it's just for gameplay reasons... give you something interesting to fight... although, if you look at the Scarab in H2, hundreds of missiles from Pelicans did absolutely nothing... I reckon the ones in the Game are made weaker or strong depending on what you got to do, H2 Scarab, indestructable except for by completing the level, while the common ones in H3, are completely destructable. Other wise they would be boring enemies to fight constantly aye? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:31, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| :That's just the difference between the games. Although they made the Scarabs indestructible because if Chief were to see one, it'd instantly explode, and you wouldn't be able board it. I do detest things like that, like in ''Halo: CE'' how nothing was destructible and nothing could move those pesky Covenant crates. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 01:35, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Maybe Scarabs got a flying engine in their belly. Just a mad idea, but it could be right. [[User talk:Youngrubby|Youngrubby]] 19:39, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| with it being more bulbous at the end, it mounts a smaller plasma beam that seems weaker and a second one on its rear and it seems vulnerable to small arms fire (as it suffers damage to its legs from rocket strikes). It is also purple, does no longer seem to have a lower interior deck and its legs are different. [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th | | with it being more bulbous at the end, it mounts a smaller plasma beam that seems weaker and a second one on its rear and it seems vulnerable to small arms fire (as it suffers damage to its legs from rocket strikes). It is also purple, does no longer seem to have a lower interior deck and its legs are different. [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th |
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| :The walker is very similar to the Scarab. Yes, it is possible that Bungie made another new walker, but it is just as likely if not even more likely that they remodeled it. The Scarab in the trailer and the Scarab on this page are similar enough that they are instantly recognized as being such. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 17:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | | :The walker is very similar to the Scarab. Yes, it is possible that Bungie made another new walker, but it is just as likely if not even more likely that they remodeled it. The Scarab in the trailer and the Scarab on this page are similar enough that they are instantly recognized as being such. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 17:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| ::I think that this the same Scarab but has some new aditions. [[User:Clavix2|Clavix2]] 17:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | | ::I think that this the same Scarab but has some new aditions. [[User:Clavix2|Clavix2]] 17:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| :::Did either of you even compare the image to that of the Scarab. It would be like remoddling the Wraith into a Ghost. Apart from the legs and the green glowing 'eye' they look very much different [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th | | :::Did either of you even compare the image to that of the Scarab. It would be like remoddling the Wraith into a Ghost. Apart from the legs and the green glowing 'eye' they look very much different [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th |
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| ::::Maybe it's a Brute Scarab? They remodelled the Plasma Rifle didn't they? Why not the awesomely powerful Scarab? --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 18:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | | ::::Maybe it's a Brute Scarab? They remodelled the Plasma Rifle didn't they? Why not the awesomely powerful Scarab? --[[Image:Final Goji.jpg|40px]] [[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 18:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| Here's something to think about. Scarabs were designed for mining, not combat. The ones used in Halo 2 were just makeshift weapons that Regret deployed. The major refinement to the legs in the screenshot seems to be extra armor - as could be the purple plating. This may be because they're adapting something that proved effective in combat to a combat role, or it could be the Brutes' natural instinct to destroy everything showing through. That could also, easily, explain the new thing on the tail of it - which looks like a weapon emplacement that could have been added. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | | Here's something to think about. Scarabs were designed for mining, not combat. The ones used in Halo 2 were just makeshift weapons that Regret deployed. The major refinement to the legs in the screenshot seems to be extra armor - as could be the purple plating. This may be because they're adapting something that proved effective in combat to a combat role, or it could be the Brutes' natural instinct to destroy everything showing through. That could also, easily, explain the new thing on the tail of it - which looks like a weapon emplacement that could have been added. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| :Perhaps a comment should be added to the article about the dispute about what it is. If it ends up not being a Scarab, we can update appropriately when the game is released --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC) | | :Perhaps a comment should be added to the article about the dispute about what it is. If it ends up not being a Scarab, we can update appropriately when the game is released --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| The argument that the walker is vulnerable to small arms fire is an unfair assessment. Phantoms and Pelicans have, likewise, been made vulnerable to small arms fire. That was a redesign from a conceptual level rather than a redesign from inside the Halo Universe. After all, they destroyed a Scarab with moderate difficulty at the beginning of GoO and, IIRC, they didn't use things more powerful than rockets and tanks. --[[User:206.75.46.254|206.75.46.254]] 20:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Forgottenlord not logged in | | The argument that the walker is vulnerable to small arms fire is an unfair assessment. Phantoms and Pelicans have, likewise, been made vulnerable to small arms fire. That was a redesign from a conceptual level rather than a redesign from inside the Halo Universe. After all, they destroyed a Scarab with moderate difficulty at the beginning of GoO and, IIRC, they didn't use things more powerful than rockets and tanks. --[[User:206.75.46.254|206.75.46.254]] 20:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Forgottenlord not logged in |
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| Hmmm, a valid arguement but in Halo 2 its atchually ben noted as being impervious to UNSC weaponary. Its noted that rockets, .50 cal rounds and 90mm anti tank shells and between 8-16 ANVIL-II missiles seem to have no effect however either. Infact, according to Halo 2 its only weakness is boarding and sabotage from the deck underneath. Of course a counter arguement can be that the attack in the trailer only shows its legs and outwards objects being disabled and infact master chief easily obliterates an object just inside it rumoured to be its power core with a Spiker and makes it explode violently. [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 13th | | Hmmm, a valid arguement but in Halo 2 its atchually ben noted as being impervious to UNSC weaponary. Its noted that rockets, .50 cal rounds and 90mm anti tank shells and between 8-16 ANVIL-II missiles seem to have no effect however either. Infact, according to Halo 2 its only weakness is boarding and sabotage from the deck underneath. Of course a counter arguement can be that the attack in the trailer only shows its legs and outwards objects being disabled and infact master chief easily obliterates an object just inside it rumoured to be its power core with a Spiker and makes it explode violently. [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 13th |
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| I have noticed that at one point in the E3 2007 trailer that the Chief and the Arbiter are standing and behind them is an original Scarab, it looks way more similar to the Halo 2 version than the new one. I believe that the new vehicle is not a Scarab. (By the way it might just be the Chief standing) Im not signed in but I am SPARTAN-101 | | I have noticed that at one point in the E3 2007 trailer that the Chief and the Arbiter are standing and behind them is an original Scarab, it looks way more similar to the Halo 2 version than the new one. I believe that the new vehicle is not a Scarab. (By the way it might just be the Chief standing) Im not signed in but I am SPARTAN-101 |
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| Crikey! so many people batting the "is it or isnt it" about! Why cant it simply be a Scarab Mk II? Its a far more efficient and advanced design than the one used in Halo 2, but it is still recognisably a Scarab, regardless of design, purpose or armament. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 03:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC) | | Crikey! so many people batting the "is it or isnt it" about! Why cant it simply be a Scarab Mk II? Its a far more efficient and advanced design than the one used in Halo 2, but it is still recognisably a Scarab, regardless of design, purpose or armament. [[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 03:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| It looks like a very redisigned battle scarab, or perhaps a brute scarab. However it still retains, large legs, cannons, and decks, so I think its fair to call it a Scarab from now. And just because they can be damaged by weapons now means nothing. Phantoms can be damaged now, but they are still phantoms, right? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | | It looks like a very redisigned battle scarab, or perhaps a brute scarab. However it still retains, large legs, cannons, and decks, so I think its fair to call it a Scarab from now. And just because they can be damaged by weapons now means nothing. Phantoms can be damaged now, but they are still phantoms, right? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC) |
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| The argument of it now being weak to small arms fire has nothing to do with it being a new vehicle. I think that was more of a gameplay choice than anything. After all, it is more fun to fight it and have it fight you than to follow it and kill some Covenant to board it. Also, if it has four legs, one or more large lasers, and is big enough to ride, it's a Scarab.[[User:ArchonGold|ArchonGold]] 22:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | | The argument of it now being weak to small arms fire has nothing to do with it being a new vehicle. I think that was more of a gameplay choice than anything. After all, it is more fun to fight it and have it fight you than to follow it and kill some Covenant to board it. Also, if it has four legs, one or more large lasers, and is big enough to ride, it's a Scarab.[[User:ArchonGold|ArchonGold]] 22:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC) |
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| Well it appears to be much lower to the ground (using Warthogs and mongooses running around its feet along with master chief shooting at its underbelly in its vid) so if scale to existing vehicles and palyers isn't worth anything, i don't know what is. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 02:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC) | | Well it appears to be much lower to the ground (using Warthogs and mongooses running around its feet along with master chief shooting at its underbelly in its vid) so if scale to existing vehicles and palyers isn't worth anything, i don't know what is. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 02:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC) |
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| This seemed like a good place to put this...as soon as I watched the "A Spartan Shall Rise" ViDoc, I noticed that the Scarab in that ViDoc is huge. The crashing Pelican is about the size of its AA Cannon...No amount of perspective could cause this. Although it could be a "Super Scarab," so to speak, I find this doubtful. -- [[User talk:Joseph-G111|Joseph-G111]]
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| When you shoot the core it bleeds and the 'blood' looks like a darker colour of hunter blood. [[User:Alexspartan117|Alexspartan117]] 16:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | | When you shoot the core it bleeds and the 'blood' looks like a darker colour of hunter blood. [[User:Alexspartan117|Alexspartan117]] 16:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| Trust me, the Scarab isn't made of Lekgolos. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 17:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | | Trust me, the Scarab isn't made of Lekgolos. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 17:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| [http://www.example.com Maybe not] but they do appear to be driven by them --[[User talk:RSIxidor|RSIxidor]] 18:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC) | | [http://www.example.com Maybe not] but they do appear to be driven by them --[[User talk:RSIxidor|RSIxidor]] 18:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC) |
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| Imagine if you could drive that scarab in multiplayer mode and somebody flips its, imagine what funny things it could say:):):) | | Imagine if you could drive that scarab in multiplayer mode and somebody flips its, imagine what funny things it could say:):):) |
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| :Could you stop saying that in every section here? --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 19:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC) | | :Could you stop saying that in every section here? --[[Image:MA5C ICWS Assault Rifle.jpg|50px]] ''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;">'''Blemo'''</span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">EMAIL</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="''Loser''. noun -- Anyone that is dumb enough to stare at a message on someone's signature for no apparent reason. You reading this pretty much proves the point.">MESSAGE</span></font></small></sub>'' 19:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC) |
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| I'm seeking general Halopedian opinion here, since the article is contradictory in this point. Is the Scarab a mining vehicle turned to combat uses during the First Battle of Earth, or is it a combat vehicle of a similar design to those mining vehicles seen by Kelly in First Strike? -[[User:Frozenjakalope|Jakalope]] 04:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | | I'm seeking general Halopedian opinion here, since the article is contradictory in this point. Is the Scarab a mining vehicle turned to combat uses during the First Battle of Earth, or is it a combat vehicle of a similar design to those mining vehicles seen by Kelly in First Strike? -[[User:Frozenjakalope|Jakalope]] 04:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC) |
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| :Its a combined mining-combat vehicle, which specialises in excavation but is fully capable of combat. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' | | :Its a combined mining-combat vehicle, which specialises in excavation but is fully capable of combat. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' |
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| WHY? there is no longer even 1 image of the H2 scarab on here????!?!?!? How do you expect us to gain from this knolage if its absent??? --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öW讥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 22:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC) | | WHY? there is no longer even 1 image of the H2 scarab on here????!?!?!? How do you expect us to gain from this knolage if its absent??? --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öW讥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 22:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC) |
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| :Um...just put one back in? I mean, come on! There's no need to yell. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 22:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC) | | :Um...just put one back in? I mean, come on! There's no need to yell. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 22:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC) |
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| i added 2 new images to the page in the '''Variation''' section. the hgn scarab and the h2 scarab... both .png's. --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öW讥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 20:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC) | | i added 2 new images to the page in the '''Variation''' section. the hgn scarab and the h2 scarab... both .png's. --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öW讥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 20:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC) |
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| So they glassed to dig for the entrance to The Ark and it was totally unharmed. What could they have possibly done to anything he was digging for in Halo 2? Burned it a little maybe? | | So they glassed to dig for the entrance to The Ark and it was totally unharmed. What could they have possibly done to anything he was digging for in Halo 2? Burned it a little maybe? |
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| They did: Halo 2, Great Journey level. We just don't see any in Halo 3, that doesn't mean they don't exist. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 01:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | | They did: Halo 2, Great Journey level. We just don't see any in Halo 3, that doesn't mean they don't exist. --<b>[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]][[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 01:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC) |
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| But i mean not in Halo 2 becuse if they could have one Scarab in Halo 3 i guess that it would be the same colors like the Phamtons and the Elites could give more help at the Citadel battle :) Anyways elites rocks | | But i mean not in Halo 2 becuse if they could have one Scarab in Halo 3 i guess that it would be the same colors like the Phamtons and the Elites could give more help at the Citadel battle :) Anyways elites rocks |
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| Shouldn't they be considered a living thing because they are simply a metal shell pumped full of lekgolo (as seen on assembly) with a conscience and everything and intentionally seek out and attack you without a visible driver like other covenant vehicles and hunters are the same way and we consider them as living lets see a dark teal metallic shell controlled by lekgolo worms who are the only way it can be damaged and will actively seek you out and attack with a large flowing green plasma weapon this describes hunters and scarabs they are either both vehicles or both living i say living but its not up to me i say this must be resolved --[[User talk:Ubuntu Dragon|Ubuntu Dragon]] 02:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC) | | Shouldn't they be considered a living thing because they are simply a metal shell pumped full of lekgolo (as seen on assembly) with a conscience and everything and intentionally seek out and attack you without a visible driver like other covenant vehicles and hunters are the same way and we consider them as living lets see a dark teal metallic shell controlled by lekgolo worms who are the only way it can be damaged and will actively seek you out and attack with a large flowing green plasma weapon this describes hunters and scarabs they are either both vehicles or both living i say living but its not up to me i say this must be resolved --[[User talk:Ubuntu Dragon|Ubuntu Dragon]] 02:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC) |
| :That's what I think. It's almost like a really big hunter. <font color="cyan">'''Teh lolz!'''</font> [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: cyan; font-family: Halo3,Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Bionicle+Lotr'''</span>]] 21:10, September 27, 2009 (UTC) | | :That's what I think. It's almost like a really big hunter. <font color="cyan">'''Teh lolz!'''</font> [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<span style="color: cyan; font-family: Halo3,Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Bionicle+Lotr'''</span>]] 21:10, September 27, 2009 (UTC) |
| :I also agree. Thats also a really big sentence man--[[User talk:Ashing shot|ASEC]] 01:38, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| in character compatibility the Covenant species shouldn't lose the ability to drive in because no one sees it any more it should be what can drive it instead.A Elite can drive it in halo 2 from there on instead of only in halo 2--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 21:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC) | | in character compatibility the Covenant species shouldn't lose the ability to drive in because no one sees it any more it should be what can drive it instead.A Elite can drive it in halo 2 from there on instead of only in halo 2--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 21:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| They don't lose the ability because they are not driving them in the next game. Its like you see a guy drive his car to the store but the next day he walks there so he cant drive from there on.So all character compatabilityy should be changed to just who can and who cant instead of (Only in Halo 2)....--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 03:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | | They don't lose the ability because they are not driving them in the next game. Its like you see a guy drive his car to the store but the next day he walks there so he cant drive from there on.So all character compatabilityy should be changed to just who can and who cant instead of (Only in Halo 2)....--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 03:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| If every time a artist took some liberty in the Graphic Novel is taken as being straight canon, then there's gotta be a dozen new species of Covenant, a whole new species of Huragok, etc etc. [[User talk:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 15:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC) | | If every time a artist took some liberty in the Graphic Novel is taken as being straight canon, then there's gotta be a dozen new species of Covenant, a whole new species of Huragok, etc etc. [[User talk:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 15:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC) |
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| :We are here to give out information based on what is accepted as canon, from an in-universe perspective. We do our best to enforce that, and people like me get annoyed as Hell whenever somebody starts bitching about how they think things should be done and are one-track minded. If you don't like it, no offense, but bugger off, because we don't want people whining all the time about something being done according to standards and how they do not think it should be done said way. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 17:22, October 4, 2009 (UTC) | | :We are here to give out information based on what is accepted as canon, from an in-universe perspective. We do our best to enforce that, and people like me get annoyed as Hell whenever somebody starts bitching about how they think things should be done and are one-track minded. If you don't like it, no offense, but bugger off, because we don't want people whining all the time about something being done according to standards and how they do not think it should be done said way. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[Image:S4.jpg|18px]] 17:22, October 4, 2009 (UTC) |
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| No I will not bugger off. For one, you are bitching about my bitching so you are a hypocrit. I am one-track minded? How so? If I'm talking about art here then I'm obviously not being one-track minded because art is very loose and creative. Actually, I think it is all opinion whoever says the Scarab in the Halo Graphic Novel isn't canon. Would it not better if you stated that it is POSSIBLY not canon and that there's a chance it could be canon, because then it's not set in stone. Don't say it as if it's law because it's not. If someone said that it isn't canon then it is because someone does not want it to be because it goes against what they feel to be correct. | | No I will not bugger off. For one, you are bitching about my bitching so you are a hypocrit. I am one-track minded? How so? If I'm talking about art here then I'm obviously not being one-track minded because art is very loose and creative. Actually, I think it is all opinion whoever says the Scarab in the Halo Graphic Novel isn't canon. Would it not better if you stated that it is POSSIBLY not canon and that there's a chance it could be canon, because then it's not set in stone. Don't say it as if it's law because it's not. If someone said that it isn't canon then it is because someone does not want it to be because it goes against what they feel to be correct. |
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| :Actually, yes, it is considered policy. The canon-strict policy we have on Halopedia insists that only canon may be accepted into the articles. As for the Scarab, it is not considered canon because simply, it isn't. The Graphic Novel is mentioned in the article last I checked, but not considered canon, because frankly, it looks not a bloody thing like a Scarab. Finally, I didn't accuse you of being one-track minded, I accused you of objecting to the one-track mindedness. I'm dearly sorry, but this is how things are done. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 14:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | | :Actually, yes, it is considered policy. The canon-strict policy we have on Halopedia insists that only canon may be accepted into the articles. As for the Scarab, it is not considered canon because simply, it isn't. The Graphic Novel is mentioned in the article last I checked, but not considered canon, because frankly, it looks not a bloody thing like a Scarab. Finally, I didn't accuse you of being one-track minded, I accused you of objecting to the one-track mindedness. I'm dearly sorry, but this is how things are done. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[Image:S4.jpg|18px]] 14:19, October 12, 2009 (UTC) |
| :The presence of the Scarab in Halo Graphic Novel is canon, but the way it is drawn is not. Now, that being said: The Graphic Novel is canon as long as it does not contradict the established canon information. This is similar to the situation of ILoveBees. Note that we didn't say the Scarab in HGN is not canon; we just stated that the visuals are contradictory and are based on the artists' perspectives. To support this, ''the story is canonical (it was authorized by Bungie), but the visuals of the story clearly are not''. It is not a new Scarab variant; it is the artists' interpretation of how they see the Halo Universe as. This is why you can notice the Elites are drawn differently and why there's a early concept of Master Chief being shot by Elites in the Scarab image. This also applies throughout all stories and arts in HGN; the way the Energy Sword is drawn is different than the game and the way artists drew the Flood from the first two stories. | | :The presence of the Scarab in Halo Graphic Novel is canon, but the way it is drawn is not. Now, that being said: The Graphic Novel is canon as long as it does not contradict the established canon information. This is similar to the situation of ILoveBees. Note that we didn't say the Scarab in HGN is not canon; we just stated that the visuals are contradictory and are based on the artists' perspectives. To support this, ''the story is canonical (it was authorized by Bungie), but the visuals of the story clearly are not''. It is not a new Scarab variant; it is the artists' interpretation of how they see the Halo Universe as. This is why you can notice the Elites are drawn differently and why there's a early concept of Master Chief being shot by Elites in the Scarab image. This also applies throughout all stories and arts in HGN; the way the Energy Sword is drawn is different than the game and the way artists drew the Flood from the first two stories. |
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| :Could you provide a specific evidence just to support this? Curiosity.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:37, October 26, 2009 (UTC) | | :Could you provide a specific evidence just to support this? Curiosity.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:37, October 26, 2009 (UTC) |
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| ::On page 244-245 of the halo enclyopidiea. it refers to the halo 2 model as "Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform", and the halo 3 model as "Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform V.2 variant" stating the v.2 "...has only one Anti-aircraft gun, but it does have 360-degree firing..." it goes onto state how "... it is shorter, but wider.." and says "... it is also controlled by a colony of lekgolo." but the enclyopidia also ha a fair amount of mistakes, so it's level of canon is disputed. [[User talk:Jabberwockxeno|Jabberwockxeno]] 22:51, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | | ::On page 244-245 of the halo enclyopidiea. it refers to the halo 2 model as "Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform", and the halo 3 model as "Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform V.2 variant" stating the v.2 "...has only one Anti-aircraft gun, but it does have 360-degree firing..." it goes onto state how "... it is shorter, but wider.." and says "... it is also controlled by a colony of lekgolo." but the enclyopidia also ha a fair amount of mistakes, so it's level of canon is disputed. [[User talk:Jabberwockxeno|Jabberwockxeno]] 22:51, October 27, 2009 (UTC) |
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| :::First, spell-phail. Second, based on your phail input of the Encyclopedia's description of the Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform, it seems that the Encyclopedia is just saying that the behemoth had an upgrade in their weaponry. Dire times during war requires modification to weaponry/technology.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | | :::First, spell-phail. Second, based on your phail input of the Encyclopedia's description of the Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform, it seems that the Encyclopedia is just saying that the behemoth had an upgrade in their weaponry. Dire times during war requires modification to weaponry/technology.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC) |
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| ::::Yes, but remember: a complete revamp means it becomes a completely new model. Halo 2: Original Scarab. Halo 3: New Scarab. Also, considering that the Halo 3 Scarab is destructible, I'd like to tell you that invincibility>destructibility and considering that the new model takes about two seconds to kill a Spartan head on, whereas the original killed anything that glanced it, I'd hardly call that an upgrade. The only thing the new Scarab has over the old one is that it can climb over buildings and the like, but that probably isn't too important considering that the Halo 2 one could just walk over or destroy those buildings. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 23:11, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | | ::::Yes, but remember: a complete revamp means it becomes a completely new model. Halo 2: Original Scarab. Halo 3: New Scarab. Also, considering that the Halo 3 Scarab is destructible, I'd like to tell you that invincibility>destructibility and considering that the new model takes about two seconds to kill a Spartan head on, whereas the original killed anything that glanced it, I'd hardly call that an upgrade. The only thing the new Scarab has over the old one is that it can climb over buildings and the like, but that probably isn't too important considering that the Halo 2 one could just walk over or destroy those buildings. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] [[Image:S4.jpg|18px]] 23:11, October 27, 2009 (UTC) |
| :::::Have you ever consider that that is purely to balance out the game? Also, please remember that the Scarab in H2 are part of a level/scenery, doesn't have an AI and not an actual vehicle model whereas the ones in H3 actually has its very own model and also an AI. That being said, when it is part of the scenery, Bungie intended that scenery model to be destroyed at specific points of the location and by completing specific objectives whereas in H3, the model had an AI and is no longer part of the scenery, thus having its very own model which can freely move around the map and allowing the players to destroy it by using any methods they can think of.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC) | | :::::Have you ever consider that that is purely to balance out the game? Also, please remember that the Scarab in H2 are part of a level/scenery and not an actual AI whereas the ones in H3 actually has an AI. If Bungie didn't change the Scarab preference and let it stay like in H2, it would be impossible for the players to actually get on board the Scarab and destroy it.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC) |
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| :::::I understand perfectly. What I am saying is that it has been completely changed, even in non-gameplay options. An example is that the H3 model is Lekgelo controlled, whereas the H2 one is controlled by a sapient being. It doesn't change the gameplay, but accompanied by the fact that they have given them a complete overhaul, it is, dare I say it, ignorance to think that the two are the same. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:09, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Maybe it's an oversight/ret-con by Bungie? H2 is known for its messy but interesting plot, themes and elements. But you might be right... --<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::I don't think it is an oversight by Bungie if it was featured in two games. However, maybe the games are just a retelling of events from Master Chief's perspective, and he's just making it invincible to go along with the story. Just saying... -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:24, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Quote|The decision to redesign the Scarab had as much to do about improving gameplay as it did with improve technology|Statement from Art of Halo 3}}
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| :::::::Just saying, maybe its just for artistic purposes, based on the statement above? Who knows, maybe the Scarab in H2 is also controlled by Mgalekgolo but we just never seen one. Like I said, an oversight by Bungie.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:31, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::It isn't controlled by Lekgelo. To finish the level in Halo 2, Cortana tells you to kill the drivers, and in the final level, Johnson drives it. But you might be right as to the artistic thing. Nonetheless, they are two different machines.
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| :::::::::H2 was made before H3. Maybe, somewhere during the production of H3, Bungie had to bend the canon and change how the Scarab operates, thus in succession, had to come up with some kind of explanation to why this is absent in H2. Additionally, there are several aesthetic differences in H2 and H3, notably like the appearances of the Banshees (minor changes), the Frigate (minor changes), Marine's BDU (major changes) and the Scorpion Tank.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:48, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::Adding to my previous comment, then how about the Scorpion Tank which had a major design overhaul in H3 from H2 and HCE? Should we consider that the three are different models?--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:52, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Hey Ascension? We CAN spell FAIL. With an F. And did YOU ever think that maybe it WASN'T JUST for balance? They're two clearly different machines and you're completely missing the point of this argument. They're different looking. they have different capabilities. They have different armaments. And they most certainly are described as DIFFERENT machines in the encyclopedia. You would know if you looked it up. Whether they operate under different scripting AIs or have different weaknesses (etc) or gun strengths is completely irrelevant to your argument of classification and actually strengthens the argument as to why they shouldn't be considered the same. Get over it and stop fighting common sense AND canon. Phantastic Phail.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:15, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Refer to my previous comment, [[User:Nerfherder1428|phailure-who-happens-to-phails-at-everything]]. Oh, lookie, a wikipedia link to [[wikipedia:Phail|phailure]].--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::: Or it's NOT an oversight OR a retcon and the prevailing theory that they're two different models for slightly different purposes reigns as truth. A truth that is confirmed thanks to the Encyclopedia. Thank you and good day sir.
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| :::::::::To whoever posted above, shut it, because -Ascension- is right. The Scorpion is ''possibly'' three different models, but it is likely just artistic changes. The argument for the Scarab is that it has a massive overhaul and that the two are referenced as two different things in Halo Wars. Nonetheless, reviewing the argument, you are correct in that the changes are likely just artistic and gameplay related, but it also appears to be a large amount of evidence on my part. Anywho, until we have confirmed sources, let us just leave this as it is. -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:59, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::And your "phail" link goes to a wikipedia page about FAILURE and the internet's obsession with the word FAIL. Not phail. Sorry. We kin spail thangs hurr! Gawly! I'm sorry that I expected to hear a mature response from somebody who knows his stuff. Too bad I had to hear from you instead. It's an ugly thing to see an obnoxious S.O.B. submit to defeat.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::I assume you <s>have just reached puberty</s> just acquired Halo 3: ODST and now claimed yourself a hardcore Halo Fan, based on my observation and how you reacted to a publication of a literature. Hmm... let's analyse; the only immaturity I express is the use of an internet meme whereas little Nerfherder1428 here uses Caps-Lock and a rebellious tone in his/her comment. Note, the use of Caps-Lock in a comment denotes immature behaviour. So, who's the mature user?<small>Phail!</small>
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| :::::::::Also, never refer to one source to verify an information. Multiple sources (H2, H3, HGN, Art Of H3) shows that the Scarab's appearance has some to do with: 1) aesthetic changes/purely artistic, 2) an oversight/ret-con or 3) Not clearly explained. Oh, and this is coming from a user with a more mature response than the above.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:42, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::::I apologize that I had to reduce you to swapping personal attacks, but when will it end? We're here to talk about Halo. (Thank you General57. I DID come here to talk about Scarabs.) Let me humor you for a second. I own every piece of Halo literature and games. Comics, books, everything. I've been an active participant in this community for quite a while, only a while under Nerfherder1428. Analyze is spelled like that: Analyze. You (ph)ail to see that it is your excessive use of said meme that continues to annoy those around you. Caps-Lock only served to represent the spelling of a word and its subsequent emphasis. It's a common literary technique. And as I do believe you're still reducing yourself to petty arguments, I'm going to leave it up in the air about the most mature.
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| :::::::::Also, I'm not using just one source. Does the fact that they are TOTALLY different in H2 and H3 not count? No source in the history of Halo has EVER said that the differences between the two scarabs are solely artistic in nature. So at least I have even ONE reference to my name where you do not. Even the quote you posted above about tech and gameplay improvements does nothing to disprove the myth that they are different. So could you please post exact references that PROVE you right? Because I can give one that utterly and completely makes me correct. And before that Encyclopedia (something that you recently fought for to prove canonicity), nobody was %100 percent sure which way the argument was going. Now we have proof. And yet you're still clutching onto unlikely theories like a malnourished baby to the teat of his crack-whore mother. Is the fact that they don't function/look/operate the same way not enough to convince you? Then you need to look through the Encyclopedia for yourself. If you want to argue the route that just one source can't be trusted, I can point out that many of the articles on Halopedia come from ONE game, ONE book, or ONE source. So again, please Mister, PLEASE find me some sources that make you God or don't bother replying. --[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:07, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::''Analyze is spelled like that: Analyze.'' - Ah, American English... should we conform to their version of English? No, thank you. I'll stick to British-English. ''meme that continues to annoy'' - Aye, and it's working quite well. ''I'm going to leave it up in the air about the most mature.'' - Looking at the comments, you started the attack and it's you who started this immature discussion. A simple message at my message board would suffice, but no, you took it personally. Pretty immature in my opinion. Oh, keep one comment to one paragraph. It tends to confuse other users, notably DinoBenn above. ''Comics, books, everything'' - Aren't you proud of yourself? Again, the use of Caps-Lock represents your immaturity. ''Now we have proof.'' - So, wait. In the Encyclopaedia talk page, you urged that the article should be considered non-canon for its increasing numbers of errors and mistakes and now you're claiming that it is the definitive source? Note that the Game Series is superior in terms of canonicity and we have to consider all sources. ''So could you please post exact references that PROVE you right?'' Regarding the quote I added previously, that was from [[The Art of Halo 3]], an art book containing development/production notes from Bungie themselves. So, it is relevant to this discussion. The Encyclopaedia and its contents, however, is still under debate. Please refer to the above comments/my previous comments if you're still in the discussion of whether or not the Scarabs are different models.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 01:23, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| People, stop arguing. No more insulting, kay? We are here to discuss Scarabs, not failure. So either stop getting off topic, or discuss this elsewhere on your own talk pages or boards. -- ''[[User:General5 7|<span style="color: black; font-family: century gothic; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#000000">'''General5 7'''</font></span>]] <small><sup>[[user talk:General5 7|<font color="#FFA500">'''B'''</font>]]</sup></small><sup><small> [[Special:Contributions/General5 7|<font color="#dcdcdc">'''O'''</font>]]</small></sup><sup><small>[[Special:Emailuser/General5 7|<font color="#Ff0000">'''O!'''</font>]]</small></sup> 00:46, October 28, 2009 (UTC)''
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| :Halopedia is like chess, my friends. -Ascension- always wins, DinoBenn always knows what he is doing, and if you do not know the rules, you ultimately fail. Anyways, let us bring this to a conclusion. The Scarab article will be left alone, the encyclopedia will be considered canon with errors, and Nerfherder will stop using the caps button. Okay? -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 00:50, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Ascension fails to come up with many valid arguments in the last few responses I've seen. DinoBenn does seem to know a bit at least. But I don't agree that we ignore a accepted piece of canon. Even if we didn't see the Encyclopedia for some time, There's no way I wold have ever thought H2-H3 changes were solely aesthetic. Even their operation (H2 is a machine, controlled by Elites and even Sgt. Johnson and one-point) is entirely independent and actually serves in the storyline. So as they are completely and utterly different and as they are stated to be just as different as we always assumed, I see no problem updating the article. As for the Scorpions, I agree that those minor changes could possibly be attributed to aesthetics.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| :::The both of you will cease this pointless exchange of insults and utter bullcrap or I will block the both of you. Understood? Get out of here and find [[Halo|something to do]]! <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 01:31, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| If the Halo 2 era scarab and the Halo 3 era scarab are different models than shouldn't they have different articles. They are very disimilar and this gives reason to have them on two seperate pages. ([[Special:Contributions/24.178.82.131|24.178.82.131]] 14:48, November 13, 2009 (UTC))([[Special:Contributions/24.178.82.131|24.178.82.131]] 14:49, November 13, 2009 (UTC))(--[[Special:Contributions/24.178.82.131|24.178.82.131]] 14:51, November 13, 2009 (UTC))Drone232
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| Let's look at this in a calm collective manner. What I'm thinking is this (and I know it is not specificaly canon, but just go with me on this):Now look at the HAlo 3 Scarab. It looks pretty similar to the normal Scarab on Halo Wars. Now look at the Halo 2 Scarab. It looks Like the Super Scarab forom Halo Wars. ( And I'm not only comparing this to Halo Wars so no one accuse me of that) What I am thinking is: Halo 2 Scarab, being indestructable either for gameplay or canon, is most likely a Super Scarab Model. Because it is on The Prophet of Regret's ship, it could most likely be for maximum protection. Now the Halo 3 scarab. Since they are dropped from other less important ships with less important crew, it could be a normal scarab. (which would account for being easier to destroy.) This is just speculation but makes sense. As for the Lekgolo controlling the Scarabs, as I have said above, just because we see them controll it does not mean they ALWAYS controll it. It could be a type of auto pilot and the Elites/Brutes could controll them when they want to. Look at modern day planes. They have an autopilot that can be turned off at will. The Halo 2 Scarabs could very well have LEkgolo worms controlling them that can be controlled via the cockpit. Much like riding a Horse. The Lekgolo could have some sort of "harness" to controll them. But as I said, speculation, but it might make sense.--[[User talk:Rprince418|Rprince418]] 01:38, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Thank you for your calm input. I realize that this "debate" has been going on for a while and finally dried up a while ago, but I had some account issues that I was just able to sort out and that is why I am posting in this section. What I said still stands: The encyclopedia clearly describes the Scarab as the model seen in halo 2, with it's box like shape, it's flower like "eye" and it's 2 anti-air guns. at the bottom of the page, it states that there is a variant model labeled as the V.2 variant in it's offcial covie milltary name. it then describes this model as having only one anti-air gun, but states that it is larger and can rotate 360 degrees, it's 3 plasma cannons, how it is shorter but wider then the main model, and other distinguishing feautures of the halo 3 model scarab. I realize that this book has a fair number of mistakes, but most of these are minor and are easy to spot (such as putting the wrong picture in certian places), and the fact that this book is used as a source on many other pages. I don't agree that a entire 2nd page is needed for the 2 models, but just have the fact that they ARE in fact not the same model writen under the halo 3/ODST heading. that section on the page already hints at this, but it is never outright stated in the paragraph, like how it is in the encyclopedia. I will also point out that there are seprate pages for weapons that were in halo 3 compared to halo 2 and CE with nearly indistinguble diffrences. Thank you. [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 21:32, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Oh, and if we agree on the above suggestation of "note that they are different models" that I just gave, and if we have them, put the height, wegiht etc of the diffrent models, on in ( ) [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 22:01, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Might be imagining things ==
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| But i could swear that looking at the belly of hte scarab in halo 2 that there were lekgolo worms, or at least big orange cables or something. I might be hallucinating but i am pretty sure the scarab in halo 2 is also controlled by worms. [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 16:50, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| I just checked, the bottum of the scarab in halo 2 has huge visible sections of lekgolo worms, and dont say they arent worms because the only other option is a inexplicable crapload of yellow-orange wiring, how come i am the only person to ever notice that the scarab in halo 2 has worms. [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 17:35, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| so are we just going to ignore the fact that the scarab in halo 2 has worms on it? [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 18:37, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Jesus, dude. Show us a picture and calm down a little. it's been 3 hours since you posted it and it's the middle of the day for many on Monday. People aren't going to answer right off the bat.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 19:01, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| Uh, dude, those 'worms' are actually its plasma tank. [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 20:51, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| :How do yo propose i get this picture, i am telling you the worms are there. And i am not talking about the plasma tank that much should be clear, i am talking about the orange-brown-yellow areas around the tank, that are clearly not teal in color. It is only visible when the scarab is movie, the inert scarab seen on the final level does not seem to have them, but when it starts moving they become brown, the worms are most visible in metropolis when the scarab passess overhead zoom in and look at its belly. And keep and open midn when doing this dont go into halo 2 saying to yourself that this isnt true . . . it is very clear that these are lekgolo worms. [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 23:54, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Oh also, before you be an jerk to someone because of what time it is, consider that you are not the only person in the world, and that your timezone isnt the only timezone on the entire planet, or that maybe someone else doesnt quite have hte exciting action packed mondays as yourself, and maybe they spend four hours a day pretending to work in a cubicle because all of the work they are provided is retardedly simple. [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 00:28, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Or you could just patiently await a response instead of snapping one or two hours after your first post. Also, cool story bro. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:52, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| :: I agree with Smoke. and Enlightment. Also, to Smoke., did you get that from DA? -[[User:DinoBenn|<span style="color:red">DinoBenn says "Fight to the End,</span>]] [[User talk:DinoBenn|<span style="color:blue">Never Give In"</span>]] 02:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Scarab v1,v2 analyze.==
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| lets go trought this,in H2 regret was digging for the ark,or at least he tought that,and it wasthe same artifact truth searched for in H3.
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| of course the version in H3 is controled by lekgolo worms and the version i H2 is controled by two shangheili pilots,or possibly one.
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| i think regret could have used carriers to dig for the artifact but possible he wanted to find it first and brought the scarab for presicion work.
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| in H3 u don't see the surface of the artifact very clear so its possible for scarabs to be there and excavate the smaller parts and also,glassing won't remove the particles but it will kill anything or anyone dumb enough to walk in to it.also i ope its clear that the scarabs could be used to remove tha glasslayer on the surface of the artifact. also prophet of regret appearantly didn't know that earth was the home planet of the humans because then he would have brought a much bigger fleet and destroyed EVERY O.D.P and then glassed the parts of the planet he where not interested of.so he did brought scarabs directly from tresshold or something. AND,truth did know it but somehow he didnt glass all the surface of the planet.he also liked the jiralhaene more than the shangheili so he brought the jiralhaene version of the scarab and the jiralhaene version of the ghost(chopper)and the jiralhaene version of the warthog (prowler).so there is a jiralhaene version and a shangheili. look at the article about scarabs the one about truth and the one about regret.also check out about jiralhaene and shangheili so would all become clear.[[User talk:Lordaki|Lordaki]] 02:04, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| :First: Fvcking grammar and spelling please! Second: the only problem is that have you ever consider Halo Wars' Scarab which is controlled mostly by the Sangheili throughout the campaign? Third: fvcking learn to spell and use grammar! [[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#000000;">{insert name</span>]] [[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#000000;">here}</span>]] 02:09, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| ok,i admit,i don't spell very well but i'm not english i'm swedish,and hey,i'm twelve so don't come upp with the grammar for me please.i have enough of it in school.well,i havent thought about the scarab in halo wars so thats my bad.i'm sorry if there where some other parts i may hhave missed.[[User talk:Lordaki|Lordaki]] 17:55, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| :To the above, you've been blocked for two year (which the block will be lifted as you turn 14) for violating [http://www.wikia.com/Terms_of_Use Wikia's Terms of Use]. To answer your question: the Scarab in H3, H3R and Halo Wars are described as Scarab V2 by [[Halo Encyclopaedia]]. I would suggest buying the book to know more about the Scarab.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 18:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| == LOOK ==
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| http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p46/Ralok_one/mfpmp2010-03-1312-09-51-42.jpg
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| look at the belly of it, the distinctly not colored the same as the rest of it part. Thoseare lekgolo worms, i am making htis assumption based on the fact that the pattern of the distinctly miscolored lines is very randomized. If i have to circle the part that i am looking at in ms paint i will be dissapointed. [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 17:20, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| It looks vaguely like lekgolo worms and if they were it would mean scarabs are not mechanical but a lekgolo form other than a hunter, which could be posible, but in the case of the Halo 2 scarab it would mean elites are controlling the lekgolo when they're quite capable of it themselves. [[User talk:VanFlyhight|Van Dominic Flyhight]] 15:21, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Or they could have just been operating the weapons systems, or the life support systems for the worms. Or maybe the navigational systems, since y'now the worms have no eyes. [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 14:05, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| Ralok may be on to something. MAybe the elites were in control of the WHOLE crew's life support. when they were killed, the lekgolo controlling it also died. It makes a good enough sense to be feesable and ralok, lekgolo kinda have eyes. one example is a hunter[[User talk:Mr.Green hat|/\/\r.6r33|\| |-|@T]] 20:41, April 27, 2010 (UTC)Mr.Green hat
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| : I dont know what the elites were doing on the scarab, i dont really care all i care about is that the scarab seemingly has lekgolo, i dont know what purpose they serve but the physical evidence is there, the design on the belly of the scarab seems to specific to beanything else. [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 21:40, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Did it ever occur to you that they are just wires? Power circcuits to the rest of the scarab? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 22:56, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::You guys realize that there has been much discussion about the presence (or lack thereof) on Lekgolo on Scarabs? Last I checked, it was suspected that Lekgolo were the power source of the Scarab, and that an interface with them was constructed so the other Covenant could operate the Scarab. I believe this is still true, as I remember something about this being mentioned when [[Assembly|an awesome map of close-quarter uber-pwnage]] was released. <small><span style="border: 2px solid black; -moz-border-radius:24px">[[User:orionf22|'''<span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22 </span>''']][http://halopedian.com/User:orionf22 <span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> Me </span>][[User talk:orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px"> Talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/orionf22|<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick"> Contributions </span>]][http://xfire.com/clans/coag <span style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px"> <b>CAG</b> </span>]</span></small> 23:04, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| Yes i did consider that they may just be wires but there are some istinct flaws with this iea, the fact is that they are exposed, there is no reason for this no other covenant technology features exposed wires, they are around the power core (like the lekgolo on the h3 scarab) an hte next problem is with color, they are a distinctly different color, there is no reason for this. Nobody hwen designing a giant walking tank just says during the esign process "you know what how about some giant exposed tan-orange wires on the belly of this thing" if you havent noticed things tend to be desinged the way they are for a reason [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 03:10, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| If they all had a reason, then why was hte Wraith designed to shoot like a catput, and not fit in reasonable spaces? Why was the banshee made so its aerodynamics fail? And the glowing green thing isn't the power core - that would be all the plasma reserves for the weapon...[[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 03:18, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Says who? who says that the glowing green thing is hte plasma reserves, i have never hear that an noboy else i have ever talke to has ever heard that, in fact its likely you mae it up to make yourself sound smarter. And this is a visual design issue not a practical design issue. Give me one good reason there would be brown-orange cables on thebelly of the scarab only visible through exposed panels, you cannot do that, its hardly noticable because i am appearently the only one who noticed it. Explain please [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 10:50, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| : I think ralok makes the best point in this argument. However, I'm not saying that we should state in the article that the orange on the belly is DEFINITELY [[lekgolo]].
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| ==Covenant (level) scarabs==
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| The part about the scarabs on the covenant mentions the possibility of truth's vessel dropping them off. I suggest it is changed because truth's vessel was the dreadnaught and it has been grounded by Mendincant Bias. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 20:48, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Halo 3 Scarab Energy Door ==
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| I was just wondering why there is an Energy Shield Door on the Halo 3 Scarab if it is driven/controlled/made of lekgolo worms? I'm surprised no one else has ever mentioned this. [[User:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''''X'''''</span><span style="color:#FF7518">'''''Super'''''</span><span style="color:#CE0000">'''''Gamer'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:XSuperGamer|<span style="color:#303030">'''''Talk'''''</span>]]</sup> 18:42, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Difference throughout the games ==
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| In Halo Wars it looks different that it looks like it has one eye and not four eyes as seen in Halo 3 anyone noticed that?[[User talk:Jay96|Jay96]] 09:31, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Halo: Reach==
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| Will the Scarab be in Halo: Reach? - Matt98 30 July 2010 19:01 (UTC)
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| I think i read somwhere that it would appear in Reach, but I don't have a source. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 03:06, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
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| Yea, it was leaked in a german magazine that in one level you fight multiple scarabs.
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| ==Reach Gen Picture==
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| Can we update with a reach gen picture? I have one from the ViDoc that was just released that can be used.[[User talk:NarutoROCKS189|NarutoROCKS189]] 11:18, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Scarab Scream? ==
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| Hi, On the last level of Halo: Reach when Carter flies into the scarab with the pelican as the scarab is dying, i swear i heard it scream. did anyone else hear it? am i crazy?
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| [[User talk:Gilgamesh the usurper|Gilgamesh the usurper]] 05:39, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| You might be right but I can't be sure (I'll repay it some time and check) also over all they seem to act more "alive" and in the game manual they are described as super heavy infatry rather than vehicles.'''[[User talk:Dragrath1|Dragrath1]] 22:30, September 30, 2010 (UTC)'''
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| ==In First Strike==
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| Scarabs were in fact present in [[Halo: First Strike]] on pages 142 and 144, the Covenent are using them as mining machines when they are trying to escavate the Forerunner Crystal and when Fred and Kelly steal the Wraiths a Scarab attacks Fred and he destroys it. This proves that there first appearence isn't Halo 2.
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| == Size ==
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| Since we know the length and height of the scarab's due to the scaled pictures from HBO and the v2 model from the actionclix, shouldn't this be added?
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| Ok, so then add it. :/ Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 13:57, 25 September 2011 (EDT)!
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| == Contradictory writing ==
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| See here: http://www.halopedia.org/Type-47_Ultra_Heavy_Assault_Platform#Versions
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| :"[the V1 Model] is more vulnerable to boarding actions."
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| :"the V2 is more susceptible to boarding."
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| I would fix this on my own, but I don't know which phrase to delete, or if both should be deleted. Halp. -- [[User talk:Dustin Nugget|Dustin Nugget]] 14:57, 30 November 2012 (EST)
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| ::Okay. Since no one with the knowledge has made the appropriate changes themselves, I'll just delete both phrases. -- [[User talk:Dustin Nugget|Dustin Nugget]] 18:41, 2 December 2012 (EST)
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| ==Scarab mentioned in Halo 4?==
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| I see under the list of appearances that the Scarab is listed as having been mentioned in Halo 4. When was this the case? -- [[User talk:JJAB91|JJAB91]] 14:02, 15 June 2014 (EST)
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| :A bit late, but according to the page [[Shutdown]] there is a Marine who mentions the Scarab destroyed by the Master Chief during the Battle of New Mombasa. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 15:17, 7 January 2015 (EST)
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| == ''Halo 3'' fact sheet ==
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| The ''Halo 3'' fact sheet (which is used for a source for the Deutoros model's height and width seems to be incorrect. The ''Encyclopedia'', ''Essential Visual Guide'', and Waypoint's article all use the Deutoros model's image when listing the Scarab's dimensions but we are citing that the listed dimensions belong to the Protos model, when they actually belong to the Deutoros model, not to mention that the dimensions from the fact sheet seem rather small for a Scarab. For proof, Stephen Loftus lists both Scarab models' heights [http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/1280h.html?display=cov_a here]. The height of the Deutoros matches up with the heights given by the three aforementioned sources, while the Proto's height isn't even mentioned on this page. The dimensions given by the fact sheet seem to have been disregarded, as they do not represent the size of any Scarab model. We should dismiss the fact sheet's dimensions and maybe make note of the error in the Trivia section. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 16:11, 12 July 2015 (EDT)
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| ==Splitting the article==
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| Does anyone else think it would be prudent to split this article into separate Type-47A and Type-47B pages? The only reason both models have the Type-47 moniker is that they were both cataloged in 2547; otherwise they're very different beasts. Considering we have separate articles for weapon variants (such as the various MA5 models) I don't see any reason ''not'' to have separate articles for the Protos and Deutoros. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:34, 8 February 2017 (EST)
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| Definitelty. If you're willing to take care of it, I say go for it.[[User:Japeth555|Japeth555]] ([[User talk:Japeth555|talk]]) 11:02, 8 February 2017 (EST)Japeth555
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| == I think the banished Scarab should have it's own page ==
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| It looks radically different, it must be it's own model [[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 11:11, 25 February 2017 (EST)
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| :It's the same variant (per ''Halo Wars 2'' appearance list), so it doesn't necessarily need it's own page. We have many other instances of detailing multiple variants on the same page. I believe this can be done here.--[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: green;" title="Spartacus is an administrator.">'''''Spartacus'''''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:grey">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 11:27, 25 February 2017 (EST)
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| ::While it's not been confirmed to be so I'm pretty positive they're just modified T-47Bs.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 19:21, 25 February 2017 (EST)
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