Editing Talk:Deutoros-pattern Scarab

Edited the number of Scarab legs from "four or six" to simply "four." No source given, and no reference to where a six-legged Scarab is ever seen. [[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] 09:56, 18 Dec 2009 (UTC)

==Different Types==

::Actually, scarabs are justhuge machines deployed from Covenant dropships. JUST MACHINES!!! not hunters, and as it turns out, they were originally used for mining, so they didn't really need armour, which explains the weak leg joints. Bustie24 15:29, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

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:::So basically, Scarabs are technically controlled by Hunters. :D

Where they store it? hmmm... let me think about that, Oh, I know! In the ''hangar'', where all the vehicles go... [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 23:01, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

::If you look at the end of the level [[Floodgate (Level)|Floodgate]] you will notice that the Phantoms are parked in there, along with a huge [[UNSC Frigate|Frigate]], I think they could fit a scarab in there too. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 00:41, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

::::::I realise this fact, I'm just saying, hell, they might even have something up in the roof of the hangar to dangle the scarabs off, that then lifts them out of the hangar, to be dropped from the section just in front of it. Or maybe, they deploy them like they deploy the the aliens in War of the worlds, out of the cannon ;D [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:02, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::I think I'll pass on that idea... sounds a tad too risky. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:08, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Suppose it's just for gameplay reasons... give you something interesting to fight... although, if you look at the Scarab in H2, hundreds of missiles from Pelicans did absolutely nothing... I reckon the ones in the Game are made weaker or strong depending on what you got to do, H2 Scarab, indestructable except for by completing the level, while the common ones in H3, are completely destructable. Other wise they would be boring enemies to fight constantly aye? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:31, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

:Maybe Scarabs got a flying engine in their belly. Just a mad idea, but it could be right. [[User talk:Youngrubby|Youngrubby]] 19:39, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

:::Did either of you even compare the image to that of the Scarab. It would be like remoddling the Wraith into a Ghost. Apart from the legs and the green glowing 'eye' they look very much different [[User: Ajax 013| Ajax 013]] July the 12th

Here's something to think about. Scarabs were designed for mining, not combat. The ones used in Halo 2 were just makeshift weapons that Regret deployed. The major refinement to the legs in the screenshot seems to be extra armor - as could be the purple plating. This may be because they're adapting something that proved effective in combat to a combat role, or it could be the Brutes' natural instinct to destroy everything showing through. That could also, easily, explain the new thing on the tail of it - which looks like a weapon emplacement that could have been added. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed that at one point in the E3 2007 trailer that the Chief and the Arbiter are standing and behind them is an original Scarab, it looks way more similar to the Halo 2 version than the new one. I believe that the new vehicle is not a Scarab. (By the way it might just be the Chief standing) Im not signed in but I am SPARTAN-101

It looks like a very redisigned battle scarab, or perhaps a brute scarab. However it still retains, large legs, cannons, and decks, so I think its fair to call it a Scarab from now. And just because they can be damaged by weapons now means nothing. Phantoms can be damaged now, but they are still phantoms, right? --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 06:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

So they glassed to dig for the entrance to The Ark and it was totally unharmed. What could they have possibly done to anything he was digging for in Halo 2? Burned it a little maybe?

== weird face ==

But the problem is why Bungie did not created a separatist scarab for the elites?

But i mean not in Halo 2 becuse if they could have one Scarab in Halo 3 i guess that it would be the same colors like the Phamtons and the Elites could give more help at the Citadel battle :) Anyways elites rocks

in character compatibility the Covenant species shouldn't lose the ability to drive in because no one sees it any more it should be what can drive it instead.A Elite can drive it in halo 2 from there on instead of only in halo 2--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 21:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

They don't lose the ability because they are not driving them in the next game. Its like you see a guy drive his car to the store but the next day he walks there so he cant drive from there on.So all character compatabilityy should be changed to just who can and who cant instead of (Only in Halo 2)....--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 03:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I think what Sangheili is trying to say is, just because we don't see the covenent drive the Halo 3 Scarabs does not mean that they can't. They could be using an Autopilot

==What has Halopedia done?==

If every time a artist took some liberty in the Graphic Novel is taken as being straight canon, then there's gotta be a dozen new species of Covenant, a whole new species of Huragok, etc etc. [[User talk:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 15:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

No I will not bugger off. For one, you are bitching about my bitching so you are a hypocrit. I am one-track minded? How so? If I'm talking about art here then I'm obviously not being one-track minded because art is very loose and creative. Actually, I think it is all opinion whoever says the Scarab in the Halo Graphic Novel isn't canon. Would it not better if you stated that it is POSSIBLY not canon and that there's a chance it could be canon, because then it's not set in stone. Don't say it as if it's law because it's not. If someone said that it isn't canon then it is because someone does not want it to be because it goes against what they feel to be correct.

And Ajax...a dozen new species of Covenant? Really? Come on...You can always tell what is an Elite and what is a Grunt. Hell even Frank O' Connor explained this about the Halo: Legends. It doesn't matter how an Elite is shown, as long as it looks like the basics of an Elite then it will be an Elite. Just because they changed something small like a gauntlet or a helmet or a colour of the eye doesn't make it an entirely different species. Now THAT is one-track minded. Did you not notice they changed the Jackals look about three times, all made by some artists? If that is acceptable then why isn't it so for other Halo labelled things such as the Graphic Novel? [[User talk:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:08, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

:The presence of the Scarab in Halo Graphic Novel is canon, but the way it is drawn is not. Now, that being said: The Graphic Novel is canon as long as it does not contradict the established canon information. This is similar to the situation of ILoveBees. Note that we didn't say the Scarab in HGN is not canon; we just stated that the visuals are contradictory and are based on the artists' perspectives. To support this, ''the story is canonical (it was authorized by Bungie), but the visuals of the story clearly are not''. It is not a new Scarab variant; it is the artists' interpretation of how they see the Halo Universe as. This is why you can notice the Elites are drawn differently and why there's a early concept of Master Chief being shot by Elites in the Scarab image. This also applies throughout all stories and arts in HGN; the way the Energy Sword is drawn is different than the game and the way artists drew the Flood from the first two stories.

:::First, spell-phail. Second, based on your phail input of the Encyclopedia's description of the Type-47 Ultra Heavy Assault Platform, it seems that the Encyclopedia is just saying that the behemoth had an upgrade in their weaponry. Dire times during war requires modification to weaponry/technology.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:02, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

:::::Have you ever consider that that is purely to balance out the game? Also, please remember that the Scarab in H2 are part of a level/scenery, doesn't have an AI and not an actual vehicle model whereas the ones in H3 actually has its very own model and also an AI. That being said, when it is part of the scenery, Bungie intended that scenery model to be destroyed at specific points of the location and by completing specific objectives whereas in H3, the model had an AI and is no longer part of the scenery, thus having its very own model which can freely move around the map and allowing the players to destroy it by using any methods they can think of.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 23:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

::::::Maybe it's an oversight/ret-con by Bungie? H2 is known for its messy but interesting plot, themes and elements. But you might be right... --<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

{{Quote|The decision to redesign the Scarab had as much to do about improving gameplay as it did with improve technology|Statement from Art of Halo 3}}

:::::::: Or it's NOT an oversight OR a retcon and the prevailing theory that they're two different models for slightly different purposes reigns as truth. A truth that is confirmed thanks to the Encyclopedia. Thank you and good day sir.

::::::::And your "phail" link goes to a wikipedia page about FAILURE and the internet's obsession with the word FAIL. Not phail. Sorry. We kin spail thangs hurr! Gawly! I'm sorry that I expected to hear a mature response from somebody who knows his stuff. Too bad I had to hear from you instead. It's an ugly thing to see an obnoxious S.O.B. submit to defeat.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 00:32, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::''Analyze is spelled like that: Analyze.'' - Ah, American English... should we conform to their version of English? No, thank you. I'll stick to British-English. ''meme that continues to annoy'' - Aye, and it's working quite well. ''I'm going to leave it up in the air about the most mature.'' - Looking at the comments, you started the attack and it's you who started this immature discussion. A simple message at my message board would suffice, but no, you took it personally. Pretty immature in my opinion. Oh, keep one comment to one paragraph. It tends to confuse other users, notably DinoBenn above. ''Comics, books, everything'' - Aren't you proud of yourself? Again, the use of Caps-Lock represents your immaturity. ''Now we have proof.'' - So, wait. In the Encyclopaedia talk page, you urged that the article should be considered non-canon for its increasing numbers of errors and mistakes and now you're claiming that it is the definitive source? Note that the Game Series is superior in terms of canonicity and we have to consider all sources. ''So could you please post exact references that PROVE you right?'' Regarding the quote I added previously, that was from [[The Art of Halo 3]], an art book containing development/production notes from Bungie themselves. So, it is relevant to this discussion. The Encyclopaedia and its contents, however, is still under debate. Please refer to the above comments/my previous comments if you're still in the discussion of whether or not the Scarabs are different models.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 01:23, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

::Ascension fails to come up with many valid arguments in the last few responses I've seen. DinoBenn does seem to know a bit at least. But I don't agree that we ignore a accepted piece of canon. Even if we didn't see the Encyclopedia for some time, There's no way I wold have ever thought H2-H3 changes were solely aesthetic. Even their operation (H2 is a machine, controlled by Elites and even Sgt. Johnson and one-point) is entirely independent and actually serves in the storyline. So as they are completely and utterly different and as they are stated to be just as different as we always assumed, I see no problem updating the article. As for the Scorpions, I agree that those minor changes could possibly be attributed to aesthetics.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 01:13, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

::Or you could just patiently await a response instead of snapping one or two hours after your first post. Also, cool story bro. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]^{[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]}</b> 00:52, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

==Scarab v1,v2 analyze.==

::Did it ever occur to you that they are just wires? Power circcuits to the rest of the scarab? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 22:56, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yes i did consider that they may just be wires but there are some istinct flaws with this iea, the fact is that they are exposed, there is no reason for this no other covenant technology features exposed wires, they are around the power core (like the lekgolo on the h3 scarab) an hte next problem is with color, they are a distinctly different color, there is no reason for this. Nobody hwen designing a giant walking tank just says during the esign process "you know what how about some giant exposed tan-orange wires on the belly of this thing" if you havent noticed things tend to be desinged the way they are for a reason [[User talk:Ralok|ralok]] 03:10, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Since we know the length and height of the scarab's due to the scaled pictures from HBO and the v2 model from the actionclix, shouldn't this be added?

== Contradictory writing ==

:"[the V1 Model] is more vulnerable to boarding actions."

I would fix this on my own, but I don't know which phrase to delete, or if both should be deleted. Halp. -- [[User talk:Dustin Nugget|Dustin Nugget]] 14:57, 30 November 2012 (EST)