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| Could we please have confirmation on this please? [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Daisy-023&diff=965224&oldid=964744 Lauren claims] that the unnamed SPARTAN-II is called Daisy-023 and was born in Harvest. The SPARTAN-II's place of birth was then said to be in Sargasso, [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Daisy-023&diff=965259&oldid=965232 an edit made by TDSpiral].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:40, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | | Could we please have confirmation on this please? [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Daisy-023&diff=965224&oldid=964744 Lauren claims] that the unnamed SPARTAN-II is called Daisy-023 and was born in Harvest. The SPARTAN-II's place of birth was then said to be in Sargasso, [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Daisy-023&diff=965259&oldid=965232 an edit made by TDSpiral].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:40, February 1, 2010 (UTC) |
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| :Yes, well I've asked Lauren about this, and she claims these "trading cards" are legit, and did post and image of one of these alleged cards (as seen to the right). I'd just like to know where all this new info on Homecoming is coming from anyway. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 17:49, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | | :Yes, well I've asked Lauren about this, and she claims these "trading cards" are legit, and did post and image of one of these alleged cards (as seen to the right). I'd just like to know where all this new info on Homecoming is coming from anyway. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 17:49, February 1, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::Problem is why post that particular card and not the Spartan?- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:54, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | | ::Problem is why post that particular card and not the Spartan?- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:54, February 1, 2010 (UTC) |
| :::I have no idea. Maybe it wasn't available at that time, or something? - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 18:27, February 1, 2010 (UTC) | | :::I have no idea. Maybe it wasn't available at that time, or something? - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 18:27, February 1, 2010 (UTC) |
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| Found out where the cards are from. It's part of a promo on Facebook for Halo Legends, so they aren't tangible, but they do include like little tidbits and things. I noticed that we also have the names of at least two characters from Legends spelt wrong (specifically Rol, actually spelt and pronounced: Roh/O'Brian, actually spelt: O'Brien). | | Found out where the cards are from. It's part of a promo on Facebook for Halo Legends, so they aren't tangible, but they do include like little tidbits and things. I noticed that we also have the names of at least two characters from Legends spelt wrong (specifically Rol, actually spelt and pronounced: Roh/O'Brian, actually spelt: O'Brien). |
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| : I have read the books, and i watched halo legends. I think halo legends was pretty good dispite all of its flaws, and flaws it had aplenty, then again so did the books in fact the books had an irrational number of flaws. `[[Special:Contributions/68.61.39.252|68.61.39.252]] 10:13, March 2, 2010 (UTC) | | : I have read the books, and i watched halo legends. I think halo legends was pretty good dispite all of its flaws, and flaws it had aplenty, then again so did the books in fact the books had an irrational number of flaws. `[[Special:Contributions/68.61.39.252|68.61.39.252]] 10:13, March 2, 2010 (UTC) |
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| == Daisy's death location is Sargasso, NOT Harvest ==
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| With the release of ''Silent Storm'' and the mentions of Daisy's death in the battle of Harvest, I recalled we had a conversation long ago on HBO regarding this canon fact, and we came to the conclusion that the ''Homecoming'' episode takes place not in Harvest in 2530 as the trading cards noted, which is an already dodgy canon source, but instead took place in Sargasso, most likely the Battle of Sargasso in '''2546'''.
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| [http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive38.pl?read=1118696 This is the thread in question where we took notes and compared.]
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| To put a few pointers on why we came to believe it is Sargasso and not Harvest:
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| * Harvest has no moons at all, which would make a major canon inconsistency if it turned out to be so. They are present throughout the episode.
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| * She is mentioned to be a Chief Petty Officer in ''Homecoming'', which would make her rise in ranks by 2530 just as meteoric as that of the Master Chief. It would make a lot more sense for her to have gained it as normal over the years by 2546, rather than the circumstances of John's promotion repeating.
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| * In addition to the former point, she turned out NOT to be a team leader, and instead Joshua is one, which cripples the possibility of her having had a reason to be promoted just as fast as the Master Chief. Likewise, it would be more logical for her to gain rank over time.
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| * Daisy's face shape as her teenage self is quite distinct from the one she has as a full-grown Spartan. Whereas her teenage self as a rounded face and bigger eyes, her adult self has a sharper head, smaller eyes, slightly different skin color, and longer hair. An artistic style in anime to denote age in general.
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| * The palm trees shown in the city ruins for the concept art for Halo: Homecoming are remarkably similar to the flora that exists in the flashbacks to Daisy's episode, implying that the location itself is the very same in which Daisy fights in -- Sargasso.
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| * In the episode ''Homecoming'', after the report of a lost unit, Daisy and Sgt. Howser come to the conclusion that the planet was finished, when the battle of Harvest, at the time, was about to be retaken by Cole. It would make more sense for it to be Sargasso itself as another lost planet out of many.
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| * The Trading Cards are an incredibly dodgy canon source present before the episode itself, as they stated the world she was born in was Harvest, until the episode contradicted it and mentioned it was Sargasso, so it is easier to assume the cards were decanonized long after ''Halo: Legends'' itself was released.
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| * As noted in the HBO thread, the location of both the station where Daisy's squadron was going to be evacuated, and her old childhood home, are quite too similar, and likely the result of a glassing.
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| * The narration in ''Homecoming'' never explicitly mentions the location present-day Daisy is in, which leaves the viewers to assume it is Sargasso.
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| * As somebody else mentioned on Discord, the opening narration to ''Homecoming'' mentions the Outer Colonies are gone by then, which places the episode at least in ''2535'', by which time Harvest had long since lost its strategic value.
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| --[[User:Jaydee|Jaydee]] ([[User talk:Jaydee|talk]]) 15:38, 9 September 2018 (EDT)
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| :Yeah. I wouldn't put much stock to the trading cards at this point, considering their obscurity - or the fact they also claim Harvest as being Daisy's homeworld. It's likely that the planet in ''Homecoming'' was meant to be Harvest at one point during the episode's development (or there was a miscommunication between the episode's writers and the people making the cards), but all the evidence you've outlined makes it very unlikely for that to still be the case. Even something like the presence of moons (apparently heavily urbanized ones, no less) alone would disprove the planet being Harvest in my book. --[[User:Tacitus|Tacitus]] ([[User talk:Tacitus|talk]]) 16:16, 9 September 2018 (EDT)
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| ::Agreed, cards aren't exactly trustworthy. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 16:33, 9 September 2018 (EDT)
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| :::But if its the only source on something shouldnt we use it with a note saying it may not be accurate. The cards like were the first source on a lot of stuff prior to other lore confirming it.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 16:56, 9 September 2018 (EDT)
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| ::The cards, which also are what gace us the name Sargasso and Daisy-023 to begin with, expliciatally ID the planet they're fighting on as Harvest. In 2531. When Daisy is about 20 years old. So yeah, obviously her face is different. Yes, the moon is an error but so is the Halo ring in the sky over Reach in the episode. The narration does not automatically mean that the setting of the following story is at least a decade into the war.~~TheEld
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| :::Here is Grims response. https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/1038898982880047104?s=19 Aka the planet is unknown and this means Daisys life can very much expand to a loy later than we originally expected.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 17:56, 9 September 2018 (EDT)
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| ::::Well, then. I guess that means while we can't say she died on Sargasso, it's not necessarily Harvest either and could be at any point in the war. The best solution is probably to leave the location and time undefined in here and all relevant articles, as well as explain the issue in more detail in a note (i.e. the cards say Harvest, but aren't necessarily reliable as they also claim Harvest is Daisy's homeworld, the presence of moons, etc. in addition to Grim's statement about the location being vague). --[[User:Tacitus|Tacitus]] ([[User talk:Tacitus|talk]]) 01:53, 10 September 2018 (EDT)
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