Editing Talk:D77-TC Pelican

Not a 70mm chain gun?

Is there anyone who can explain why the in game pelican does not have a 70mm chin gun? In game the chin gun appears to be the same weapon, if not smaller caliber than the Warthog's chain gun. But it obviously is not a 70mm cannon - [[User:Blehm98|Blehm98]] 21 October 2006

*I went back and studied Halo 2. Look at any pelican with a weapon (Outskirts, Metropolis, Delta Halo or Regret are ideal) and examine the chaingun under its nose. Now go to the AIE-468H Heavy Machinegun that we used in the Beta. Look familiar? [[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]} 02:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

well in H3 there is a two-pronged like bottom hatch and a top hatch raises up with a window

:Erm, you forgotten they are in space. Also, a pelican would be able to recover from free fall, but that one did not. I suspect it is because of the spartans.-- [[User:R1e2u3b4e5n6|<font color="6633FF">never ending-summer</font>]]^{[[User talk:R1e2u3b4e5n6|<font color="6633FF">My personal COM chanel</font>]]} 10:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

:A reference to an upgraded version perhaps? -- [[User:Manticore|<b><span style="color: black">Manticore</span></b>]] [[User talk:Manticore|^{<span style="color: black">Talk</span>}]]^|[[Special:Contributions/Manticore|^{<span style="color: black">CSV</span>}]] 03:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Stephen Loftus says it should be "D77-TC," and I usually go with what he says... sources? '''[[halowikia:User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">G</font><font color="#770000">^ü</font><font color="#cc0000">é</font><font color="#ff0000">_ß</font><font color="#ff3333">Ł</font><font color="#ff6666">^¥</font>]]-[[halowikia:User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">∏</font><font color="#6666ff">_é</font><font color="#3333ff">Ґ</font><font color="#0000ff">^∫</font><font color="#0000cc">ø</font><font color="#000066">_ñ</font><font color="#000000">¥</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">^†</font><font color="#007700">ħ</font><font color="#00cc00">_î</font><font color="#00ff00">И</font><font color="#44ff44">^g</font><font color="#99ff99">¥</font>]]''' 05:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Earth isn't the ''last'' UNSC planet, its just the last major stronghold. There are plenty of other places where ordinance could be made. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]_{([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])}^{[http://halopedian.com/User:ED/Gaming <font color="000000">(gaming)</font>]}</b> 04:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

One being Mars, as 'Arms Race' showed us. [[User:Poison headcrab|Poison headcrab]] 02:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Turn to Official Xbox Magazine's August 2007 issue on page 88. Under the rumor mole section, it states "...Been waiting to fly Halo's Pelican dropship since the original game? You'll finally get to on Spetember 25th." I think this would work in Multiplayer and Single Player, if [[Shrine]] is as big as they say it is.

 

::The first bit is a red herring nevermind idiotic of CORUSE my car is “faster” over some minute distance, but that’s because my care doesn’t weigh 4 millions pounds. This is about TOP speed and the rest of your own message helps highlights why the given number is retarded.

I discount any non-senses about it being super heavy myself many vehicles can carry more then their own weight in cargo. Never mind that huge portions of the interior are just full of air, and the fact that Banshee guns and such which don’t appear anymore lethal then a machine gun seem totally able to damage and destroy it which shows it’s probably not armored to any serious degree. I see no reason it should weigh more then a comparable helicopter at 15 to 20 tons.

Now lifting a tank weighing 66 tons vertically with just raw thrust would take… 66 tons of thrust, plus the weight of the Pelican.Given its size let’s just say that’s 14 tons (not at all out of place for a large’ish helicopter so a good fit) so we get a nice round 80 tons of thrusts. Hauling a load THAT heavy the low number might be almost reasonable, problem is most of the time it isn’t hauling 60+ tons of dead weight on the back.

At those times it’s thrust to weight ratio sores and is probably over 4 to 1, most modern fighter jets can’t even break 1.25 to 1!!! It should be able to climb like a rocket ship… wait it CAN based on ALL the novels. Even if we postulate some super heavy airframe the fact is that the engine, no matter HOW you cut it, have an excesses lifting capacity/thrust of around 66 (probably somewhat more) tons, that’s ALLOT of thrust.

66 tons of thrust IE JUST the excesses from when it’s not carrying a tank (and again it’s probably more since you want a margin of safety) could easily lift a fully loaded 737 straight up… As in if you stuck these engines under the belly they’d lift it skyward like a rocket, at least until it flipped over and crashed anyway. The 737 own engines, putting out a pidly 20 tons of thrust combined, by comparison can easily push that 54 ton aircraft up to 600+ miles per hour in level flight. True it has a large wing to help, but it also probably like a forth the thrust, nearly 4 times the weight of an empty pelican by my reckoning, and a much larger (if perhaps marginally more streamlined) surface area.

Anyone that thinks that much power couldn’t move something that sized faster then a car on the highway is a moron. I won’t even get into the fact we see Pelican’s covering huge areas of Halo in a reasonable period of time. If it really could only go 45 miles per hour it would take DAYS to traverse any serious distance across or around Halo. In fact at 45 miles per hour with decent roads modern TANKS could DRIVE their faster.

Conceivably any low ball figure for its speed could be a combat speed. In some military air forces minimum and maximum air speeds and altitudes are mandated and only excedable in times of emergency (ie dogfighting). Also, the figure could be ground speed and not air speed. ps is the spell check terrible on this site?

The article actually says. Ten in a normal craft, plus more in an altered Pelican with a troop-bay extension - but they don't appear in the game. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 01:25, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

:Most of the info is taken from Halo.Bungie.org :)--[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''']] ^{[[User talk:Spartan781|<font color="black" face="Arial">Comm</font>]]}_{[[Special:Contributions/Spartan781|<font color="black" face="Arial">CSV</font>]]} 05:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What about making two separate articles, one for the general Pelican, this one, and a second for the D77H-TCI of Halo 3? '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 02:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

::Really? The fact that the older D77-TC Pelican has been replaced by the newer D77H-TCI Pelican, the major role they play in Halo 3, and the numerous differences would suggest otherwise. '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 03:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

If you'll notice in the abolve image, about eight pelicans can be seen under construction. The back four are almost unrecognizable, but I think I can read the tags on the front four: O5 (Oscar 5) on the left, O6 (Oscar 6) In the front, O8 (Oscar 8) on the right, and O9 (Oscar 9) in the back. Unless anyone has any objections or thinks this is incorrect, I will add them to the list of identified Pelicans. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]]</b> 21:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I know this is a couple years old by now, but the Pelicans in the picture could also be 06, 05, and so on and so forth. With the font of the identification numbers, I think it is hard to tell between a 0, and an 'O'. I believe, however, that they ID numbers are simply 06 and so on, because of the corresponding IDs on the floor. Perhaps the factory putting these dropships together labels them that way so they know where parts are supposed to go, which i think would not be too unbelievable, as the Pelicans would most likely recieve their final ID number after rolling off the factory floor and heading out to move to their designated unit/attendant starship.[[User talk:SpartaWolf|SpartaWolf]] 06:12, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

The wings on the Pelican look extremely small for the weight they have to provide lift for, and using the thrusters would get costly. So is it possible that the actual hull of the Pelican provides most of the lift? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_body Lifting Bodies] arent new - the general shape and layout [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:X24.jpg look ''very'' similar]. The wings would just be for directional and altitudal control, with the thrusters as backup. The Space Shuttle has wings, even though it's a lifting body. Does this deserve inclusion? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 00:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

*Flight isn't necessarily linked to lift if you put big enough engines on a brick it could break the sound barrier in level flight... control would be a bit of an issue though. Really any time you see a modern fighter stand on its tail and accelerate straight up you’re seeing the triumph of thrust over gravity same with a rocket. The Pelican is likely relying largely on this principle the simple fact it can ''hover'' with a full load is fair evidecne of this. Hovering is purely a question of thrust as no air is moving over any lifitng surfaces. (which is why it's so damn hard) the Pelican can do this which means it has enough thrust to basiclly hold itself up under earth gravity without any lift.

If you look at this image, supposedly a battle scene from the Interplanetary War, it has Pelicans in it. Does that mean that Pelicans have been in service since the 2100's? [[User:Stryker117|<span style="color:DarkBlue"><b>Stryker</b></span>]][[User talk:Stryker117|<span style="color:DarkBlue"><b>117</b></span>]] 03:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With short, stubby wings, the Pelican cannot remain airborne at all. It couldn't even fly. So the lift needed for airworthiness must come from an additional source, supplementing the lift generated from the wings. This could either be antigravity (unlikely, as the USMC didn't do much with that), or generated directly from the fuselage. This is known as the lifting body principle, and was tested during the Space Race and afterwards as a search for a reusable space vehicle (now known as the Space Shuttle, thanks to all the testing). Lifting bodies are exactly what they sound like: an aerodynamically engineered fuselage that is capable of generating its own lift, supplementing its wings. The Pelican likely operates in the same fashion, albeit with greater efficiency thanks to its advanced engines. This would explain how Pelicans can remain aloft instead of dropping out of the sky (or not taking off in the first place).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's time we move it back to ''D77-TC Pelican'''. D is the classification, as is the "TC" - you don't label an Apache "Attach Helicopter 66," you just call it "AH-66 Apache." More relevant to Halo, we con't call the "[[UH-144 Falcon]]" the "Utility Helicopter 144" -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue>^Autocrat</font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple>^{Qur'a 'Morhek}</font></i></u>]] 21:52, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10-4 thank you--[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 12:17, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

 

In the pre-rendered cutscenes the cockpit have the pilot and copilot side by side, however in gameplay the cockpits have the pilot in front and the copilot behind as has been since H3 pelicans. This is most noticable with crashed pelican on the beach [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] ([[User talk:VARGR|talk]]) 14:23, 11 December 2014 (EST)

:I wouldn't call it a mistake. The cutscene models are much higher quality models than the ones used in the game. These are now pre-rendered custscenes and don't use in-game assets. The Warthogs are also better resolution models (note how the towhook bobs around when its driving) as are the characters. Look at Sgt. Johnson in the cutscene versus the game. The cutscene Pelicans are physically different model files from the ones we encounter during gameplay. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 19:09, 11 December 2014 (EST)