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Perhaps the destroyer from Fall or Reach and the Destroyers from Ghost of Onyx are different classes of destroyer, like CAR or CPV. It mentions in Ghost of Onyx that the destroyer have shuttle bays and Spirit Dropships. | Perhaps the destroyer from Fall or Reach and the Destroyers from Ghost of Onyx are different classes of destroyer, like CAR or CPV. It mentions in Ghost of Onyx that the destroyer have shuttle bays and Spirit Dropships. | ||
I deleted the picture of the so-called Covenant destroyer - as far as i can recall, it was from someone's CGI video clip with completely original equipment. So its not canon, and never was. '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' | I deleted the picture of the so-called Covenant destroyer - as far as i can recall, it was from someone's CGI video clip with completely original equipment. So its not canon, and never was. '''Honour Light Your Way - '''[[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 00:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
The aforementioned image is clearly not canon, but despite multiple deletions, it is always re-posted. Some action against this would be welcome. [[User: Spartan 144 "Nicholas"|Spartan 144 "Nicholas"]] 22:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC-8) | The aforementioned image is clearly not canon, but despite multiple deletions, it is always re-posted. Some action against this would be welcome. [[User: Spartan 144 "Nicholas"|Spartan 144 "Nicholas"]] 22:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC-8) | ||
I think you are right about being 2 different destroyers because on page 290 in halo ghosts of onyx it talks about 2 covenant heavy destroyers so I think the 1500 meter destroyer is really a heavy destroyer. So this page about the covenant destroyer should be change to heavy covenant destroyer and not covenant destroyer. | I think you are right about being 2 different destroyers because on page 290 in halo ghosts of onyx it talks about 2 covenant heavy destroyers so I think the 1500 meter destroyer is really a heavy destroyer. So this page about the covenant destroyer should be change to heavy covenant destroyer and not covenant destroyer. | ||
== correction == | == correction == | ||
FoR actually says that the covenant destroyer was a third ''Italic text''again''Italic text'' as large as the Iroquois. so if the Iroquois was 1000m long, the destroyer would have been 333m long. | FoR actually says that the covenant destroyer was a third ''Italic text''again''Italic text'' as large as the Iroquois. so if the Iroquois was 1000m long, the destroyer would have been 333m long. | ||
No, no, no. A UNSC destroyer is only seven meters longer then a UNSC frigate, which at 483 meters, this means that the Iroquois comes in at only 492 meters, and this would put a destroyer at about 175 meters. And in the trivia how is it known that that ship was a Destroyer? All Serina says is Covenant ship straight ahead or something like that [[User:All Under Heaven|All Under Heaven]] | No, no, no. A UNSC destroyer is only seven meters longer then a UNSC frigate, which at 483 meters, this means that the Iroquois comes in at only 492 meters, and this would put a destroyer at about 175 meters. And in the trivia how is it known that that ship was a Destroyer? All Serina says is Covenant ship straight ahead or something like that [[User:All Under Heaven|All Under Heaven]] | ||
== Curious == | == Curious == | ||
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:Either Ensemble have given it the wrong classification, or we've got the size of the Spirit of Fire wrong. Since the SoF's length comes from an interview with Graeme Devine, and accuracy can be difficult under fire from reporters, my guess would be the latter. Or it may be a Covenant Heavy Destroyer, briefly mentioned in First Strike I believe. I do note, however, that the books claim that Destroyers bear more than a passing resemblence to Carriers, the only noticable difference being size - so if it does eventuate to be a Carrier instead of a Destroyer, we may end up retaining the picture. | :Either Ensemble have given it the wrong classification, or we've got the size of the Spirit of Fire wrong. Since the SoF's length comes from an interview with Graeme Devine, and accuracy can be difficult under fire from reporters, my guess would be the latter. Or it may be a Covenant Heavy Destroyer, briefly mentioned in First Strike I believe. I do note, however, that the books claim that Destroyers bear more than a passing resemblence to Carriers, the only noticable difference being size - so if it does eventuate to be a Carrier instead of a Destroyer, we may end up retaining the picture. | ||
:And as far as I know, the actual meanings of Hull Classification Symbol refer to roles rather than sizes. A Destroyer is meant as an escort. A frigate is a light picket, cruiser is a fast warship, etc. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure some modern Cruisers are as large as Frigates. Its the use to which they are put that defines their class.-- | :And as far as I know, the actual meanings of Hull Classification Symbol refer to roles rather than sizes. A Destroyer is meant as an escort. A frigate is a light picket, cruiser is a fast warship, etc. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure some modern Cruisers are as large as Frigates. Its the use to which they are put that defines their class.-- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 09:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Yes, that would be right. It doesn't matter how large a ship is; it only matters what they're built for and what they're used for. Of course frigates can be bigger than carriers - it's just not usually done because with our current technology, it would be impractical. [[User:The 888th Avatar|<span style="color:blue;">The 888th Avatar</span>]] [[ | ::Yes, that would be right. It doesn't matter how large a ship is; it only matters what they're built for and what they're used for. Of course frigates can be bigger than carriers - it's just not usually done because with our current technology, it would be impractical. [[User:The 888th Avatar|<span style="color:blue;">The 888th Avatar</span>]] [[User_talk:The 888th Avatar|<sup><span style="color:blue;">(Talk)</span></sup>]] 09:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::This still doesn't explain why the Spirit of Fire is 2500 meters and the Destroyer is 1500 yet look very close in size in the cutscene. Or why it is only One and a half times the mass of a frigate but still so big in those scenes. | :::This still doesn't explain why the Spirit of Fire is 2500 meters and the Destroyer is 1500 yet look very close in size in the cutscene. Or why it is only One and a half times the mass of a frigate but still so big in those scenes. | ||
== Ensemble == | == Ensemble == | ||
I would imagine its the description that's wrong. While they clearly had the Spirit Size and designation down for the story, and all the cut-scenes, it was probably a typo in the description of the vessel that caused all this. If only they visited here and reviewed the classes of Covenant ships they could of found a dozen with not pics to work on if they really wanted on original looking ship. | I would imagine its the description that's wrong. While they clearly had the Spirit Size and designation down for the story, and all the cut-scenes, it was probably a typo in the description of the vessel that caused all this. If only they visited here and reviewed the classes of Covenant ships they could of found a dozen with not pics to work on if they really wanted on original looking ship. | ||
== Multi-Role, Specialized, or Obsolete Ship Model? == | == Multi-Role, Specialized, or Obsolete Ship Model? == | ||
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Judging from the ship's performance characteristics, it seems to be a multi-purpose design; it is capable of glassing planetary surfaces with a large, primary plasma weapon, it can deploy troops, equipment, vehicles, and field facilities, and has uncertain ship-to-ship prowess, given that it is only seen fighting a ship at point-blank range with its lesser plasma batteries. | Judging from the ship's performance characteristics, it seems to be a multi-purpose design; it is capable of glassing planetary surfaces with a large, primary plasma weapon, it can deploy troops, equipment, vehicles, and field facilities, and has uncertain ship-to-ship prowess, given that it is only seen fighting a ship at point-blank range with its lesser plasma batteries. | ||
If anything, it seems to be a type of destroyer or planetary operations vessels; perhaps it could be called a "planetary operations destroyer" or something like that. Another possibility is that it is a design that will eventually be rendered obsolete by the more familiar 1.5 | If anything, it seems to be a type of destroyer or planetary operations vessels; perhaps it could be called a "planetary operations destroyer" or something like that. Another possibility is that it is a design that will eventually be rendered obsolete by the more familiar 1.5 km destroyer that we know of later on, for that model is well-suited to fleet and planetary engagements, given that it can fight superbly against ships, has troops and material, and even Seraph fighters. The Halo Wars ships seem to be primarily planetary warfare-oriented, as it functions in a similar manner to the SoF. | ||
Given that this is early in the war, and Regret notes that it will take time to muster the ships, equipment, and troops to wipe out the Humans, it is a definite possibility that these ships are a soon to be obsolete design or a more specialized vessel. | Given that this is early in the war, and Regret notes that it will take time to muster the ships, equipment, and troops to wipe out the Humans, it is a definite possibility that these ships are a soon to be obsolete design or a more specialized vessel. | ||
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The only real problem I have is how the Destroyer glasses a planet; the opening cut scene is way off on that point. From a design standpoint I don't really have a problem with it, it seems to fit within the general realm of Covenant ship design. | The only real problem I have is how the Destroyer glasses a planet; the opening cut scene is way off on that point. From a design standpoint I don't really have a problem with it, it seems to fit within the general realm of Covenant ship design. | ||
The size, seems to match what the novels have stated about destroyers: | The size, seems to match what the novels have stated about destroyers: | ||
Fall of Reach Chapter 16 Page 145 | Fall of Reach Chapter 16 Page 145 | ||
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Page 151 "The view screen turned and centered on the ''enormous'' Covenant destroyer." | Page 151 "The view screen turned and centered on the ''enormous'' Covenant destroyer." | ||
However does that mean the destroyer in Halo Wars is the ''only'' class of Covenant destroyer, probably not. This new piece of concept art describes the Destroyer as a "Capital Class Ship" | However does that mean the destroyer in Halo Wars is the ''only'' class of Covenant destroyer, probably not. This new piece of concept art describes the Destroyer as a "Capital Class Ship" | ||
Sybex Halo PC Strategy Guide Page 73 "Covenant Battleships are long vaguely manta-shape spacecraft capable of launching dozens of fighters. They are typically armed with ''several dozen energy weapons''. Covenant capital ships come in ''varying classes and sizes'', though military observers note that there is a ''great deal of variance-weaponry, length, estimated tonnage, fighter complements, speed, and so on-within a particular class.''" | Sybex Halo PC Strategy Guide Page 73 "Covenant Battleships are long vaguely manta-shape spacecraft capable of launching dozens of fighters. They are typically armed with ''several dozen energy weapons''. Covenant capital ships come in ''varying classes and sizes'', though military observers note that there is a ''great deal of variance-weaponry, length, estimated tonnage, fighter complements, speed, and so on-within a particular class.''" | ||
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How exactly does "a third again as massive" mean that it's 3 times the size of the Iroqois? Wouldn't that mean that you just add a third onto the Iroqois' size? That would make it about 647 meters long. And if it was bigger than a Marathon class cruiser, then why would the humans designate it as a destroyer in the first place? Because I remember quite distincly that the covenant frigates that Keyes saw were only called that because they were about equivalent in size to a human frigate. It would not make any kind of sense to call it that when it's that big. And is there any other source for the size of a covenant destroyer? Because I am very curious as to where this number of 1500 meters came from. | How exactly does "a third again as massive" mean that it's 3 times the size of the Iroqois? Wouldn't that mean that you just add a third onto the Iroqois' size? That would make it about 647 meters long. And if it was bigger than a Marathon class cruiser, then why would the humans designate it as a destroyer in the first place? Because I remember quite distincly that the covenant frigates that Keyes saw were only called that because they were about equivalent in size to a human frigate. It would not make any kind of sense to call it that when it's that big. And is there any other source for the size of a covenant destroyer? Because I am very curious as to where this number of 1500 meters came from. | ||
== Slipspace speed == | == Slipspace speed == | ||
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==Picture== | ==Picture== | ||
The current picture in the infobox clearly shows a few Assault Carriers below, and they look like Seraphs to a CCS-class. Who to believe??? The novels, or a game.... EM | The current picture in the infobox clearly shows a few Assault Carriers below, and they look like Seraphs to a CCS-class. Who to believe??? The novels, or a game.... {{EM Sig}} | ||
:I think those are meant to be in the distance, but the lack of depth makes it hard to tell. [[User talk:Person1|Person1]] 20:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC) | :I think those are meant to be in the distance, but the lack of depth makes it hard to tell. [[User talk:Person1|Person1]] 20:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
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I'm just curious, does anyone else seem to think that the destroyers as shown in Halo Wars do not fit in AT ALL with the general style of Covenant ships seen in the trilogy, i.e the assault carrier, CCS-class battlecruiser, and the several cruisers seen at the beginning of halo 2? Not to mention, a destroyer having an energy projector?? It's even stated in the novels, First Strike I think, that only "big ships have them." This ship seems to me to be a different class, as it doesn't match the novels at all. Now, perhaps someone will come along and say Halo Wars overrules the novels, but please consider this. Halo Wars seems to contradict the novels and other material in a number of ways actually. [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 04:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC) | I'm just curious, does anyone else seem to think that the destroyers as shown in Halo Wars do not fit in AT ALL with the general style of Covenant ships seen in the trilogy, i.e the assault carrier, CCS-class battlecruiser, and the several cruisers seen at the beginning of halo 2? Not to mention, a destroyer having an energy projector?? It's even stated in the novels, First Strike I think, that only "big ships have them." This ship seems to me to be a different class, as it doesn't match the novels at all. Now, perhaps someone will come along and say Halo Wars overrules the novels, but please consider this. Halo Wars seems to contradict the novels and other material in a number of ways actually. [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 04:38, January 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:the Halo Encyclopedia can't even get it's facts straight and it IS canon. As for the ship differences, it was made by a completely different company that was trying to stay true to the Covenant style, but as as every game has it's own unique style, so does the people that makes it. As for the contradiction with FS, there have been several retcons as to ship abilities. You think the Assault Carrier has always had the ability to separate entire sections of it's hull as seen in The Package? And, unfortunately, Bungie has said the abomination that is Halo Legends is canon.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 03:11, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | :the Halo Encyclopedia can't even get it's facts straight and it IS canon. As for the ship differences, it was made by a completely different company that was trying to stay true to the Covenant style, but as as every game has it's own unique style, so does the people that makes it. As for the contradiction with FS, there have been several retcons as to ship abilities. You think the Assault Carrier has always had the ability to separate entire sections of it's hull as seen in The Package? And, unfortunately, Bungie has said the abomination that is Halo Legends is canon.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 03:11, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | ||