Editing Talk:Covenant cruiser

{{FactOrFictionResolved|[[User:125.203.122.53|125.203.122.53]]|03:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)|There is no such thing as a Heavy Cruiser.  This is Fan Fiction!  There are just CAR-class Cruisers.  Prove me wrong!  find a quote that says Heavy Cruiser!|15:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)}}
:I'll find that quote when I have time. Don't worry. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]][[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 14:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that ''Ket''-pattern battlecruisers are often refered to as just "cruisers" (even though cruiser and battle-cruiser are two different ship types) and it may also be a ''Reverence''-class or a light cruiser being spoken of in his source as they are all Cruisers Basicly.[[User talk:Maiar|Maiar]] 00:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== Shaw-Fujikawa Drives on a Covenant Cruiser? ==

Just a question, but should the Shaw-Fujikawa drive be put on a Covenant Cruiser?  I mean, I don't know what the Covenant use, but I just thought I might point out that the Covenant, obviously, don't use Shaw-Fujikawa drives. If I am wrong and misunderstood something, then I am sorry. As I said, just pointing that out. [[User:Lekrel|Lekrel]] 05:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
:[[User:RelentlessRecusant]] at 17:03, 20 November 2006 added that this type of ship had Shaw-Fujikawa drive.  If he doesn't answer here we can take this to his talk page. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 07:53, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

==Picking a size==

I'm glad you finally decided on the size of the Cruiser!  Looking over the history it seems like you've had a tough time:

#<small>'''Length''' - between 300–2000 meters </small> -- [[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] 20:31, 12 August 2006 
#300-1782.2 meters -- [[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] 03:06, 19 November 2006
#300–1455 meters -- [[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] 14:17, 24 November 2006
#1455 meters -- [[User:J!MMY-008]] 23:42, 28 November 2006
#300–1455 meters -- [[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] 23:05, 30 November 2006
#1000–1455 meters -- [[User:RelentlessRogue|RelentlessRogue]] 00:51, 26 December 2006

== new picture ==

I put a picture of a covenant cruiser and it saids its a covenant light cruiser the picture but I look it up in a book called "the art of halo creating a video game" and I saw the same picture and it says this covenant ship is a covenant cruiser.

==Cruiser vs. ''Ket''-pattern==

Considering what was said earlier on this page,and that the games and novels tend to take their own routes with things, and don't always agree (The ''Clad'' was described as a destroyer in the novels for example), would it be reasonable to think that the ''Ket''-pattern battlecruiser and the "Covenant cruiser" of the novels are the same ship? Maybe this has been decided to be incorrect, but I would like to know what people think. [[User talk:Quakeomaniac|Quakeomaniac]] 04:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree same with the assult carier and the carier.  Those pages should be redirecrted or deleted.

: There are more than one type of cruiser traditionally. Light and Heavy cruisers being the most common variety. Quite frankly, i don't see any need to delete those pages until we have enough evidence to say otherwise.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 08:00, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

:The Destroyer part was a simply error. We have no information to confirm that all Covenant Cruisers encountered by the UNSC during the war were ''Ket''-pattern. To be honest, that would be a very bad idea on the Covenant's part, as if the class were designed with a flaw, the UNSC would be able to abuse it on all cruisers.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 15:33, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Of course we keep the distinction between "cruiser" and "light cruiser", since there we have a stated difference between the two, but there isn't anything that seems to suggest that the normal cruiser is distinct from the ''Ket''-pattern. Therefore I think this page should be merged with the ''Ket''-pattern cruiser. [[User talk:D3in0nychu5|D3in0nychu5]] 16:28, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

:Even in the games, no one ever says ''Ket''-pattern battlecruiser, they just say cruiser.  They should be merged.  There's probably going to a long debate with no resolution though. [[User talk:DA BEST|DA BEST]] 21:25, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

::Untrue - it was used a few times in ''Halo: Combat Evolved''. Even then, they say "battlecruiser" a lot, too.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 21:44, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

:Still, the same ships (ex. The Truth and Reconciliation) are called both a cruiser and a battlecruiser.  Which is why their most likely the same thing. [[User talk:DA BEST|DA BEST]] 22:22, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

::The Halo Encyclopedia confirms that they are different. Furthermore, if there was only one type of cruiser known, why call it the "CCS-class Battlecruiser?" - what stops it from being "Covenant cruiser"?-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 17:27, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

They also been described as different sizes. A ''Ket'' is slightly larger than the average Covenant cruiser. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 18:25, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

== Article grouping ==

I suggest that this article be re-written as an "umbrella article" to group information on the ''ORS''-, ''RCS''-, and ''Reverence''-class cruisers, similar to the current layout of the [[Covenant destroyer]] article.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 18:18, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
:I agree. Shouldn't we change this article a bit? It looks like the page is for a specific class or something like that, but it's mostly about the cruisers that were not particularly identified. ''The Essential Visual Guide'' explains that there are many classes, so this article should be an "umbrella article" as stated above. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 14:45, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

::Anyway, I don't know what was said in the original Encyclopedia, but after checking the most recent version, I can see that the different Covenant cruisers mentioned are: the [[Zanar-pattern light cruiser|light cruiser]], the [[Varric-pattern heavy cruiser|heavy cruiser]], the {{Pattern|Ket|battlecruiser}} and the {{Pattern|Varric|heavy cruiser}}. The ships' lengths match those stated in the ''Essential Visual Guide''. As for this current "Covenant cruiser" which is 1,000 metres long, there's no such ship mentioned either in the Encyclopedia (2011 edition) or the ''Essential Visual Guide''. I guess I'll update this page later when I can, unless anyone has anything to add. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 14:32, 20 August 2013 (EDT)