Editing Talk:Colonial Military Authority

Wheres the second portion of this article coming from?  It has no heading, nor source. -- [[User:Manticore|<b><span style="color: black">Manticore</span></b>]] [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] [[User talk:Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">Talk</span></sup>]]<sup> | </sup>[[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">CSV</span></sup>]] 10:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks to be a modified version of the UN charter[http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/]:<BR>

WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, AND FOR THESE ENDS to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS

I was wondering and I thought wounldn't Central command be like the J.C.S, joint cheifs of staff. HIGHCOM never had any Army generals only the M.C and Navy if you think about its only the navy due to the M.C being apart of it Central Command could be located at earth. now the Colonial Military Adminstration Could be runned by generals/admirals or the UEG's form of Congress or both

Hrmmm... Does anyone know how: FLEETCOM, CENTCOM, and HIGHCOM rank in respect to eachother?  [[User talk:Steve2frag|Steve2frag]] 19:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

HIGHCOM, then FLEETCOM... no one is sure where CENTCOM fits in, but like the Colonial Administration Authority. it was likely fallen by the wayside as the UNSC took over the Role of the the UEG. -[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 04:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

==ORION==

Please, stop adding in that the CMA started it in 2491. That was ONI. The CMA did their own project in 2321, according to the Halo Encyclopedia. Kthnxbai. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sergeant Major Avery Johnson</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Chatter</font>]]</sup></b> 05:19, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

:Yes and no. I've just realized that unfortunately the Halo Encyclopedia includes contradictory information on the subject. As you write, it states that on page 80-81, that the CMA launched it in 2321 and ONI in 2491. BUT, pages 44-45 and 67 say the exact opposite. They state that the project was launched in 2321 by ONI and resurrected in 2491 by the CMA before being absorbed back into ONI after Operation: CHARLEMAGNE. I assume you have a copy, and I urge you to double check my findings.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">'''112 '''</span>]]05:28, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Meh, I don't. I'm going off of what's sourced on other pages. It seems to make more sense that it was started by the CMA in 2321, and by ONI again in 2491, not the other way around, considering the fact that all canon seems to point towards ONI making it in 2491, not the CMA, especially when you consider that the known personnel used were in the United Nations Space Command, not the CMA. The Halo Encyclopedia is weird, I know. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sergeant Major Avery Johnson</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Chatter</font>]]</sup></b> 05:47, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah. I suggest we get someone else with a copy in on this conversation. See what other people think.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">''' - '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' 112 '''</span>]] 05:53, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

==CMA logo==
[[File:CMA logo - Stephen Loftus.png|right|150px|thumb|The CMA logo by Stephen Loftus.]]

Wait, why remove it? Stephen Loftus was able to create the logo, and he wouldn't make it unless there was a source describing and/or depicting (showing works too), so it is logical (and reasonable) to assume that there is a source somewhere, we just need to find it. I have access to all the ''Halo'' novels, and if it was there, I can't remember where and in what book it was in. As for all the ''Halo'' video games, it's possible that it is seen in-game somehow, maybe in a specific location on a specific level in Campaign, or maybe on some multiplayer map. I don't Stephen Loftus would just to create fan art and post it on HBO. There has to be a source, we (and I stress we) need to find that source. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 15:06, 13 April 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:You make a good point. I should have asked for consensus, and I apologize for not doing so. Still, I don't recall any media ever showing or describing the CMA's flag. The most likely source is ''Dirt'', considering that roughly a third of the story is about Gage's service in the Colonial Military. I haven't read ''Evolutions'' in a couple of years, so my memory on the subject is fuzzy. The ''Encyclopedia'' has a lengthy section about the CMA: however, neither my revised copy nor the original says anything about the flag.

:On the other hand, it's possible that Stephen Loftus simply created the flag and posted it along with all his other work, forgetting to mention that he made it up. I must admit, though, that this would be quite out of character; he has always based his images on canon information. Regardless, I feel the same way about the ''very existence'' of [[Bungie Motor Works]], which seems to have originated from the [http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_signs/ same ''HBO'' page]. Either way, we should try to find a source that either confirms or denies the validity of the image posted above: the same goes for Bungie Motor Works, by the way. --[[User:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|talk]]) 00:26, 14 April 2013 (EDT)

::I agree that our use of the image as "the CMA's official logo" is on very shaky ground and that we definitely need a more solid confirmation. Could it be that the file is simply misnamed? Many of the filenames are quite formulaic and there seem to be quite a few mislabelings; for instance, [http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_signs/images/0022-CIV-CMA-logo1.png the CAA logo] is titled as "CIV-CMA-logo1". Thus it's not entirely unheard of that Loftus simply assigned a random name for a graphic which he could've found from anywhere in the games or their texture files; he has shown to be very careful when it comes to canon, but it's possible he didn't exercise as much caution when naming these files in bulk. One potential source for the name is the filename of the original texture file, though it's impossible to say without knowing. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:26, 20 April 2013 (EDT)
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+Wheres the second portion of this article coming from?  It has no heading, nor source. -- [[User:Manticore|<b><span style="color: black">Manticore</span></b>]] [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] [[User talk:Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">Talk</span></sup>]]<sup> | </sup>[[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">CSV</span></sup>]] 10:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
-Wheres the second portion of this article coming from?  It has no heading, nor source. -- [[User:Manticore|<b><span style="color: black">Manticore</span></b>]] File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] [[User talk:Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">Talk</span></sup>]]<sup> | </sup>[[Special:Contributions/Manticore|<sup><span style="color: black">CSV</span></sup>]] 10:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 It looks to be a modified version of the UN charter[http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/]:<BR>
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 HIGHCOM, then FLEETCOM... no one is sure where CENTCOM fits in, but like the Colonial Administration Authority. it was likely fallen by the wayside as the UNSC took over the Role of the the UEG. -[[User talk:WhellerNG|WhellerNG]] 04:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
-::I've been working on the organization of the UNSC of late and I may be able to help with this one. HIGHCOM is the highest authority within the UNSC branch of the UEG. Below HIGHCOM you would have regional CENTCOMs. We know of a Sector 1, 3, and 4, plus a Sector B and a K, but you can infer some to fill the logical gaps. I would say that at least Sectors 1-4 would each have a CENTCOM presiding over their territories. Within each CENTCOM would be the forces that they control. For that, each would have units from the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, etc. Now the naval portion of a CENTCOM would be led by Navy command, which is NAVCOM. Below that is FLEETCOM, NAVLOGCOM, and NAVSPECWARCOM. I intend to soon show my entire organizational chart. I've been working on it a couple of months and I'm still tweaking the chart here and there to get it as complete as possible. Soon. :) [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 19:05, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
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 Please, stop adding in that the CMA started it in 2491. That was ONI. The CMA did their own project in 2321, according to the Halo Encyclopedia. Kthnxbai. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sergeant Major Avery Johnson</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Chatter</font>]]</sup></b> 05:19, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:Yes and no. I've just realized that unfortunately the Halo Encyclopedia includes contradictory information on the subject. As you write, it states that on page 80-81, that the CMA launched it in 2321 and ONI in 2491. BUT, pages 44-45 and 67 say the exact opposite. They state that the project was launched in 2321 by ONI and resurrected in 2491 by the CMA before being absorbed back into ONI after Operation: CHARLEMAGNE. I assume you have a copy, and I urge you to double check my findings.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">'''112 '''</span>]]05:28, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
+:Yes and no. I've just realized that unfortunately the Halo Encyclopedia includes contradictory information on the subject. As you write, it states that on page 80-81, that the CMA launched it in 2321 and ONI in 2491. BUT, pages 44-45 and 67 say the exact opposite. They state that the project was launched in 2321 by ONI and resurrected in 2491 by the CMA before being absorbed back into ONI after Operation: CHARLEMAGNE. I assume you have a copy, and I urge you to double check my findings.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">'''112 '''</span>]]05:28, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 Meh, I don't. I'm going off of what's sourced on other pages. It seems to make more sense that it was started by the CMA in 2321, and by ONI again in 2491, not the other way around, considering the fact that all canon seems to point towards ONI making it in 2491, not the CMA, especially when you consider that the known personnel used were in the United Nations Space Command, not the CMA. The Halo Encyclopedia is weird, I know. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sergeant Major Avery Johnson</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Chatter</font>]]</sup></b> 05:47, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:Yeah. I suggest we get someone else with a copy in on this conversation. See what other people think.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">''' - '''</span>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' 112 '''</span>]] 05:53, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
+:Yeah. I suggest we get someone else with a copy in on this conversation. See what other people think.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">''' - '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' 112 '''</span>]] 05:53, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 ==CMA logo==
+[[File:CMA logo - Stephen Loftus.png|right|150px|thumb|The CMA logo by Stephen Loftus.]]
 Wait, why remove it? Stephen Loftus was able to create the logo, and he wouldn't make it unless there was a source describing and/or depicting (showing works too), so it is logical (and reasonable) to assume that there is a source somewhere, we just need to find it. I have access to all the ''Halo'' novels, and if it was there, I can't remember where and in what book it was in. As for all the ''Halo'' video games, it's possible that it is seen in-game somehow, maybe in a specific location on a specific level in Campaign, or maybe on some multiplayer map. I don't Stephen Loftus would just to create fan art and post it on HBO. There has to be a source, we (and I stress we) need to find that source. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 15:06, 13 April 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
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 ::I agree that our use of the image as "the CMA's official logo" is on very shaky ground and that we definitely need a more solid confirmation. Could it be that the file is simply misnamed? Many of the filenames are quite formulaic and there seem to be quite a few mislabelings; for instance, [http://halo.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_signs/images/0022-CIV-CMA-logo1.png the CAA logo] is titled as "CIV-CMA-logo1". Thus it's not entirely unheard of that Loftus simply assigned a random name for a graphic which he could've found from anywhere in the games or their texture files; he has shown to be very careful when it comes to canon, but it's possible he didn't exercise as much caution when naming these files in bulk. One potential source for the name is the filename of the original texture file, though it's impossible to say without knowing. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:26, 20 April 2013 (EDT)
-:::HI, Stephen here. Sorry if there's been some confusion. The file name was likely named so I could have them in a certain order on HBO in my signage gallery. The logo in question (the one in white and blue with stripe and 3 stars) is more correctly a logo for the CAA, not the CMA, although both organizations are closely related. If you're wondering where it comes from, it's on the reverse-side of the handwritten note about the 600 Series ONI container for the Reach Legendary Edition. This site has a can of the letter side of the page but the opposite side was apparently not scanned. It's obvious it was supposed to be written on a scrap of paper as the other side contains mostly nonsense, but you can see the letterhead is from the CAA and that logo (or flag perhaps?) is on it. Hope this clears things up. If no one has seen this before, I'll give my eyes a pat on the back. :P [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 19:05, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
-::::Thanks for the clarification. I own the ''Reach'' Legendary Edition, but I haven't looked at the container in quite a while. Anyway, I'm a big fan of your work. Keep it up! --[[User:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|talk]]) 22:19, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
-::::Good to finally have this resolved. It would be great if you could also look into a similar case of nebulous logo origins with [[Bungie Motor Works]] (as pointed out by Braidenvl a couple of posts back). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:46, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
-:::This is fun that I've found some logos that no one else seems to have discovered. :) I'm at work now and don't have my notes but let's see what I can do from memory. The Bungie Motor Works logo is actually in the lower left-hand corner of the yellow civilian Hog advertising sign such as on the Halo 2 map Headlong. It's likely included as an in-joke from Bungie. If you look at Headlong's Hog sign though, there's a frame around it so you can't see the Bungie Motor Works sign. IN the campaign level Metropolis, when you pass the waterfall into the city center with the soccer ball straight ahead of you, turn right. At the end of the street is a green sign with the sectors of the city that are closed. Walk past that sign towards the building. On the opposite side of the sign is another Hog ad, but this time the frame doesn't cover up the Bungie Motor works logo. It helps to have a scoped weapon. Is Bungie Motor works an official company within the Haloverse? Why not? It can be seen unaided in the campaign. ;) [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 13:58, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
-:::: I guess that means in the ''Halo'' universe, Bungie became a car company, not a video game one. Whatever the Xbox's "killer app" was ''there'', remains a mystery. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:41, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
-::::Wow. Can't say that's too obvious, even for someone who has spent ''some'' time exploring levels. Anyways, thanks again. I'll add the proper source to the Bungie Motor Works article. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 16:52, 7 June 2013 (EDT)