Editing Talk:Camp Currahee

This name could possibly be a nod or a homage to Starship Troopers By Robert Heinlein, one of the training camps for the characters is 'Camp Curry'
:That's possible, but not likely. There are a lot of homages that could have been paid in the book. -[[User:ED|ED]] 02:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

i think it's a homage to Band Of Brothers, because that was where the 101st Airborne Battalion trained during World War II. pretty cool.

I'd suggest the nod to starship troopers is far more likely, given it's been added to the suggested reading list of the Army, Navy and Marine Corps, and is the only sci-fi book on the required reading list of the service academies (West Point, Annapolis, etc).  Band of brothers is good I do not argue that for a moment, but we can't know if its comparable until 2052 or so.


==Construction Date==
The Camp may have started construction in 2531, but the date given in bsangel's Tweet appears to be a typo. Kurt woke up on the ''Point of No Return'' and was recruited by Ackerson on December 14th, 2531, while Alpha Company arrived on-site to begin training on December 27th, 2532. I believe bsangel meant to post 2532 instead of 2531 in her tweet, as the earlier year has no significance in canon on that date, while Kurt was working on the SPARTAN-IIIs' training regimen for the preceding 6 months. The date as it appears in the page infobox also reads at first glance like it was built in a day (sure, the UNSC can put together some prefabs in a hurry, but that seems a bit hasty); it might be best to have the Constructed field read "2531-2532", given Parangosky only approved Ackerson's SPARTAN-III proposal in October of '31, and wikipedia uses year ranges on military installation infoboxes. Yours to consider, [[User:ASniper|ASniper]] ([[User talk:ASniper|talk]]) 22:28, December 31, 2023 (EST)

:It's definitely possible that bsangel made a typo and intended to put "2532" in the tweet instead. However, we cannot be sure if she did and it would be too much of an assumption for us to act as if it was a typo at this point. She states that on December 27, 2531, "In preparation for the SPARTAN-III project, Camp Currahee is constructed," with the most logical interpretation being that it *completed* construction on this date, because (as you said) the facility being built in a single day is quite questionable. However, I'd argue it's nearly as questionable that the camp just happened to be finished construction on December 27, *2532* (i.e. the same day as Alpha Company's arrival). And like you also said, Parangosky approved the Spartan-III program about two months prior to Camp Currahee's supposed completion date according to bsangel, which definitely is plausible. So, since bsangel stated in an official capacity the 2531 completion date for Camp Currahee's construction and it doesn't contradict anything, that's what we've gone with. - [[User:TheArb1ter117|<span style="color:green;">TheArb1ter117</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:TheArb1ter117|talk]])</span> 22:55, December 31, 2023 (EST)

::An understandable rationale for deferring to sources. But--I must say, the camp finishing construction just two weeks past when Kurt was recruited seems extremely doubtful to me. If he was working on the SPARTAN-III training regimen for the six months leading up to Alpha's arrival on the same date in 2532 (''GoO'', pg 67), it's unlikely he would have even finalized what facilities were needed for his lesson plan. To clarify, the only reason I pointed to December 27th 2532 as the end date was because that was the first day the Camp was in use as a training facility, and thus the last possible date by which construction officially completed. I'd still advocate for listing the construction as a broader 2531-2532, but that's out of my power. A shame bsangel can't correct it in an official capacity--maybe something to throw another community member's way for redaction. [[User:ASniper|ASniper]] ([[User talk:ASniper|talk]]) 23:49, December 31, 2023 (EST)

:::We don't know that Kurt was given any say in the layout or design of the facilities. That could have been decided without him, and he just designed his training regimen around what he was provided. There's also the possibility that he could request changes/additions made to the facility in the following years. We just don't know, and we can't assume that Kurt had any say in the camp's initial layout. Also, since there's nothing stating that Camp Currahee was still under construction in 2532, we unfortunately can't go with the "2531-2532" construction time frame either. As for the date discrepancies surrounding Camp Currahee and the Spartan-IIIs' training, we've already relayed our findings to 343 and hope things can be cleared up at some point. - [[User:TheArb1ter117|<span style="color:green;">TheArb1ter117</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:TheArb1ter117|talk]])</span> 00:03, January 1, 2024 (EST)

::::I wasn't aware you had a direct line to 343, that's excellent! Given Ackerson pitched the SPARTAN-III program to Parangosky with the request for a SPARTAN-II from the outset (Parangosky herself uses the "Spartan to train Spartans" line in the scene), I have to imagine they wanted Kurt to have input on the facilities needed for a training regime he was to build. But, granted, going further than that goes into assumption, and while it feels like a safe one, assumption shouldn't be a policy for a site dedicated to cataloguing a series based on its official publications--even if a Tweet seems dubious to me. It's a pedantic thing to be looking into, but it actually has a bearing on things elsewhere. Thanks! [[User:ASniper|ASniper]] ([[User talk:ASniper|talk]]) 00:48, January 1, 2024 (EST)
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	:::We don't know that Kurt was given any say in the layout or design of the facilities. That could have been decided without him, and he just designed his training regimen around what he was provided. There's also the possibility that he could request changes/additions made to the facility in the following years. We just don't know, and we can't assume that Kurt had any say in the camp's initial layout. Also, since there's nothing stating that Camp Currahee was still under construction in 2532, we unfortunately can't go with the "2531-2532" construction time frame either. As for the date discrepancies surrounding Camp Currahee and the Spartan-IIIs' training, we've already relayed our findings to 343 and hope things can be cleared up at some point. - [[User:TheArb1ter117\|<span style="color:green;">TheArb1ter117</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:TheArb1ter117\|talk]])</span> 00:03, January 1, 2024 (EST)		:::We don't know that Kurt was given any say in the layout or design of the facilities. That could have been decided without him, and he just designed his training regimen around what he was provided. There's also the possibility that he could request changes/additions made to the facility in the following years. We just don't know, and we can't assume that Kurt had any say in the camp's initial layout. Also, since there's nothing stating that Camp Currahee was still under construction in 2532, we unfortunately can't go with the "2531-2532" construction time frame either. As for the date discrepancies surrounding Camp Currahee and the Spartan-IIIs' training, we've already relayed our findings to 343 and hope things can be cleared up at some point. - [[User:TheArb1ter117\|<span style="color:green;">TheArb1ter117</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:TheArb1ter117\|talk]])</span> 00:03, January 1, 2024 (EST)

	::::I wasn't aware you had a direct line to 343, that's excellent! Given Ackerson pitched the SPARTAN-III program to Parangosky with the request for a SPARTAN-II from the outset (Parangosky herself uses the "Spartan to train Spartans" line in the scene), I have to imagine they wanted Kurt to have input on the facilities needed for a training regime he was to build. But, granted, going further than that goes into assumption, and while it feels like a safe one, assumption shouldn't be a policy for a site dedicated to cataloguing a series based on its official publications--even if a Tweet seems dubious to me. ~~I know it~~'s a pedantic thing to be looking into, but it actually has a bearing on ~~projects for communities~~ elsewhere. Thanks! [[User:ASniper\|ASniper]] ([[User talk:ASniper\|talk]]) 00:48, January 1, 2024 (EST)		::::I wasn't aware you had a direct line to 343, that's excellent! Given Ackerson pitched the SPARTAN-III program to Parangosky with the request for a SPARTAN-II from the outset (Parangosky herself uses the "Spartan to train Spartans" line in the scene), I have to imagine they wanted Kurt to have input on the facilities needed for a training regime he was to build. But, granted, going further than that goes into assumption, and while it feels like a safe one, assumption shouldn't be a policy for a site dedicated to cataloguing a series based on its official publications--even if a Tweet seems dubious to me. It's a pedantic thing to be looking into, but it actually has a bearing on things elsewhere. Thanks! [[User:ASniper\|ASniper]] ([[User talk:ASniper\|talk]]) 00:48, January 1, 2024 (EST)