Editing Talk:B-65 Shortsword

{{FactOrFictionResolved|22:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)|'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''|I'd like to know where the info came from. I tried searching several well known sites (like Bungie.net, etc) and couldn't find anything that actually state it had AA3X missiles.|06:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)}}

Well, it looks like that info was removed, so no need for this anymore.
:--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Master Gunnery Sergeant]] [[w:c:halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<span style="color:#0000CC">Hank J Wimbleton IV</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|COM]]</sup> 06:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Where's said it's only atmospheric craft?
Oh and new gameplay footage makes clear that the Shortswords are launched from Spirit of Fire, from orbit, thus they must be able to fly in space too.

Uh... Check the facts! IS Shortsword atmospheric craft really? And if it's, where's source? [[User:Woorloog|Woorloog]] 15:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

==Appearance==
[[Image:Skyhawk or is it.jpg|thumb|So is this a Shortsword?]]It looks like a Human Banshee.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 00:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Slightly, yes. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front <font color="000000">(shockfront)</font>]</sup></b> 20:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Human Banshee? I don't see much banshee in it at all, just a very small amount from the front.[[User talk:Laghing rabt|Laghing rabt]] 04:06, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

== Long Sword interceptors were used during the battle of chi cheti IV ==

Somebody has stated that the short sword might well be the predocessor of the longsword. However the time line of halo wars and the battle of chi cheti IV are about the same. At that battle they used a squadron of longswords to bomb the covenant ship while the shields were down before hitting it with a shiva nuke. Read the book the fall of reach. The longswords have been around for a long time. I do not think the shortsword is the predecessor but rather a variant of the longsword serving a more specialised purpose.

Cheers matt

yeah, they have diffrent pruposes, the shortsword is an atmospheric bomber, and the longsword is a space strikefighter. the longsword is efficent in space and can fight off serephs, but can also bomb larger ships, while the shortsword is mostly atmospheric an is only used to bomb. they have drastically diffrent purposes. I have no Idea where that thought came from.[[User talk:Laghing rabt|Laghing rabt]] 20:41, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Size ==

Would any one happen to be able to give me a refrence as to excactly how big this thing is? It doesn't look like it would be as big as a longsword. I think, It would be closer to the size of the the seraph or something. I haven't seen the thing ouside of a few pictures so I got no refrence to its size. that makes it difficult when trying to create a mod version.[[User talk:Laghing rabt|Laghing rabt]] 03:57, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

== indestructibility ==
the fact that the shortsword is unkillable IS A NECESSARY PIECE OF INFORMATION. [[User talk:Asdf1239|Asdf1239]] 04:54, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
:So, in reality, it cannot be killed even by God? Lies!<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:03, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, it is a useless information because it is just part of the scenery. Gameplay mechanics.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:04, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
:::which is why i put it in the trivia section [[User talk:Asdf1239|Asdf1239]] 04:14, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

== atmospheric craft? ==

there seems to be alot of questions on wether or not the shortsword is atmospheric or not, and my thoughts on this are that even though it can go through space from an orbiting ship to perform bombing runs in atmoshere, it still would likly qualify as atmospheric since it is probably to inefficient to use effectively in space, and besides the longsword can bomb in space, anyway.[[User talk:Laghing rabt|Laghing rabt]] 20:49, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

== In Reach ==

I think these are in Reach. At the end of the mission defending the ONI sword base(second mission), in the cut scene, you see several ships chasing the Covenant Corvette just before it is destroyed by orbital bombardment. These looks like shortsword bombers. [[User talk:Zosima|Zosima]] 17:02, September 20, 2010 (UTC)



: n/m apparently those were longswords.[[User talk:Zosima|Zosima]] 17:05, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

== Rename B-65 Suborbital Long-Range Bomber ==

Like the Longsword, the Shortsword receives an official designation that doesn't include its more common name. So I didn't want to rename it without community input.--[[User talk:Darth Oblivion|Darth Oblivion]] 16:34, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

:Agreed. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:35, 11 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330

==Missing Vehicle Data==

Okay, I noticed that this article appears to be incomplete. The Armaments/Weapons section is lacking some critical information from ''Halo: The Essential Visual Guide'', like its primary and secondary armaments. The Shortsword is equipped with [[M955 ASW/AC 30mm MLA]] machine guns as its primary weapon for I'm guessing dogfights, and also the [[M/RODAS Delivery System]] (Maastricht/Raleigh Ordnance Delivery-Application System), for the obvious use of dropping explosive bombs and the like. Not to mention there is a great deal of other critical information that must be included. I would do it myself, except I'm not sure I could do it right, which means someone is going to have to help out here. Have I missed anything else? Does anyone else agree that new information must be added? [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:35, 11 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:Agreed, I noticed that too. <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:Verdana;">[[User:BushWookieCamper|<span style="color:#536872;">Bush</span><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">Wookie</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:BushWookieCamper|<span style="color:#91A3B0;">Camper</span>]]</sup></span>
::Thanks. Hopefully someone like an admin can help out, or something. This needs to be corrected. And I'm not sure how I'm to do it, especially with time running out for me. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 16:00, 11 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
:::[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Be bold|Be Bold]]. If you have problems with formatting, someone will correct or help you, possibly unasked for. But really, if its just short and specific details like that, I doubt you'll have to many problems. Have some confidence! ;D -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 07:22, 12 September 2011 (EDT)
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 {{FactOrFictionResolved|22:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)|'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''|I'd like to know where the info came from. I tried searching several well known sites (like Bungie.net, etc) and couldn't find anything that actually state it had AA3X missiles.|06:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)}}
-==Untitled==
 Well, it looks like that info was removed, so no need for this anymore.
-:--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Master Gunnery Sergeant]] [[halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<span style="color:#0000CC">Hank J Wimbleton IV</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|COM]]</sup> 06:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
+:--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Master Gunnery Sergeant]] [[w:c:halofanon:Hank J Wimbleton IV|<span style="color:#0000CC">Hank J Wimbleton IV</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|COM]]</sup> 06:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 Where's said it's only atmospheric craft?
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 ==Appearance==
-File:Skyhawk or is it.jpg|thumb|So is this a Shortsword?]]It looks like a Human Banshee.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 00:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
+[[Image:Skyhawk or is it.jpg|thumb|So is this a Shortsword?]]It looks like a Human Banshee.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 00:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 :Slightly, yes. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Shock_Front <font color="000000">(shockfront)</font>]</sup></b> 20:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 Human Banshee? I don't see much banshee in it at all, just a very small amount from the front.[[User talk:Laghing rabt|Laghing rabt]] 04:06, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
-::I'd say it most definitely is a Shortsword bomber. The contours and shape of the ship looks exactly like it does in the [http://www.halopedian.com/File:HW_1920x1200_6.jpg wallpaper] of the Shortsword, as well as in the game itself, and in the ''Halo: The Essential Visual Guide''. Of course, by now you must have already noticed. Besides, what else could it be? [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 12:57, 3 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
 == Long Sword interceptors were used during the battle of chi cheti IV ==
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 ==Missing Vehicle Data==
-Okay, I noticed that this article appears to be incomplete. The Armaments/Weapons section is lacking some critical information from ''Halo: The Essential Visual Guide'', like its primary and secondary armaments. The Shortsword is equipped with [[Machine-linked autocannon|M955 ASW/AC 30mm MLA]] machine guns as its primary weapon for I'm guessing dogfights, and also the [[Maastricht/Raleigh Ordnance Delivery-Application System|M/RODAS Delivery System]] (Maastricht/Raleigh Ordnance Delivery-Application System), for the obvious use of dropping explosive bombs and the like. Not to mention there is a great deal of other critical information that must be included. I would do it myself, except I'm not sure I could do it right, which means someone is going to have to help out here. Have I missed anything else? Does anyone else agree that new information must be added? [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:35, 11 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
+Okay, I noticed that this article appears to be incomplete. The Armaments/Weapons section is lacking some critical information from ''Halo: The Essential Visual Guide'', like its primary and secondary armaments. The Shortsword is equipped with [[M955 ASW/AC 30mm MLA]] machine guns as its primary weapon for I'm guessing dogfights, and also the [[M/RODAS Delivery System]] (Maastricht/Raleigh Ordnance Delivery-Application System), for the obvious use of dropping explosive bombs and the like. Not to mention there is a great deal of other critical information that must be included. I would do it myself, except I'm not sure I could do it right, which means someone is going to have to help out here. Have I missed anything else? Does anyone else agree that new information must be added? [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:35, 11 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
 :Agreed, I noticed that too. <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:Verdana;">[[User:BushWookieCamper|<span style="color:#536872;">Bush</span><span style="color:#5F9EA0;">Wookie</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:BushWookieCamper|<span style="color:#91A3B0;">Camper</span>]]</sup></span>
 ::Thanks. Hopefully someone like an admin can help out, or something. This needs to be corrected. And I'm not sure how I'm to do it, especially with time running out for me. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 16:00, 11 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-:::[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Be bold|Be Bold]]. If you have problems with formatting, someone will correct or help you, possibly unasked for. But really, if its just short and specific details like that, I doubt you'll have to many problems. Have some confidence! ;D -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 07:22, 12 September 2011 (EDT)
+:::[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Be bold|Be Bold]]. If you have problems with formatting, someone will correct or help you, possibly unasked for. But really, if its just short and specific details like that, I doubt you'll have to many problems. Have some confidence! ;D -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 07:22, 12 September 2011 (EDT)
-::::Thanks. I am aware of this fact, that someone will probably fix any mistakes I made, especially with the very first [[Unidentified UNSC scanning device|article]] I have created from ''Halo Legends: The Package''. And I don't think I have too much problems with formatting, only problems with writing articles with every single bit of data and/or other info in a comprehensive manner, or something like that. You understand what I'm getting at, right? [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 12:51, 3 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-== Essential Visual Guide ==
-I don't have it but I heard from someone on Waypoint that there's a lot of information about the Shortsword that isn't mentioned in the article. If that's the case, could someone who has the Visual Guide add the missing info--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 10:46, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
-:[http://www.halopedian.com/index.php?title=B-65_Shortsword&curid=6703&diff=948397&oldid=947363 Did my best.] The main information on the page is just about the [[Maastricht/Raleigh Ordnance Delivery-Application System|M/RODAS]] system, which I made a page for just now. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|Tank beats]] [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Everything!]])</sub> 11:49, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
-::Someone might want to start working on that M955 ASW/AC 30mm MLA article, that way everything is just about complete. I would do it myself, except I have never played ''Halo Wars'' at all, so I wouldn't know how to begin. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 12:47, 3 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-:::Might we assume that the Mark 208 gravity bomb mentioned on the [[Maastricht/Raleigh Ordnance Delivery-Application System|M/RODAS]] page is the type of bomb used in ''Halo Wars'' [[carpet bombing]]?--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 13:27, 4 October 2011 (EDT)
-== Space Fighter? ==
-Is the Shortsword considered a fighter? If so, it should be added here --> http://www.halopedia.org/Space_fighter
-[[User:Dustin Nugget|Dustin Nugget]] ([[User talk:Dustin Nugget|talk]]) 04:50, 16 February 2013 (EST)
-:"Suborbital" implies atmospheric use rather than space fighting. A bomber also tends to be a pretty poor dogfighter.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] ([[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|talk]]) 12:12, 16 February 2013 (EST)
-Yeah but its quite maneueverable and has a 30mm gun. As proven in the first mission of halo wars. [[User:LigerBans|LigerBans]] ([[User talk:LigerBans|talk]]) 23:04, 13 November 2015 (EST)
-==Operational History?==
-Shouldn't there be an Operational History section in the article? I mean, there are a lot of things that should be noted. Like what time it was fielded and when, and if it was still in operation a few decades later. Like I read in a chapter of the Kilo-Five Trilogy (I think it might have been ''Halo: The Thursday War'') that Shortswords were still readily available to purchase on the black market. I don't remember the page number, nor can I look it up, as most of my novels are packed up in boxes and put into storage. I can easily add the section, but wouldn't be able to put in the necessary references when I don't have them. If someone who does have access please look it up, add the section and the info, then that would make things a little easier. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 17:25, 10 June 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330
-:I cannot create the section at the moment, but the black market reference is "''Halo: Mortal Dictata'', page 103". - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 17:27, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
-::Okay, great, thanks! Wasn't sure it was HTW or Mortal Dictata. But can't create the section yet either. Have some things to do for the family. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 17:36, 10 June 2014 (EDT)Xamikaze330