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==Date of Birth== | ==Date of Birth== | ||
If Johnson joined the Marine Corps when he was 19, and ORION received their volunteers in 2491, doesn't that mean his date of birth was at least 2472? | If Johnson joined the Marine Corps when he was 19, and ORION received their volunteers in 2491, doesn't that mean his date of birth was at least 2472? {{Sonasig}} | ||
== Johnson and the Flood == | == Johnson and the Flood == | ||
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::I agree - it was the ORION augments. We know that Flood spores have the power to infect potential hosts, though both Johnson and John-117 have shown no reaction as of yet. When the flood spores were recovered by humans, they initially took years to take effect, though that was most likely linked to a degenerative state (weakened by the years without food on the intergalactic journey). We next see it jump from animal to person, and then from person to person rapidly, with the mutations becoming visible. Being attacked by the "revived" flood forms (that is, recovered from the degenerative conditions), we should have seen a fairly quick reaction in both John and Johnson; we do not. The only thing that links these two together is that they have been augmented.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:17, 28 October 2011 (EDT) | ::I agree - it was the ORION augments. We know that Flood spores have the power to infect potential hosts, though both Johnson and John-117 have shown no reaction as of yet. When the flood spores were recovered by humans, they initially took years to take effect, though that was most likely linked to a degenerative state (weakened by the years without food on the intergalactic journey). We next see it jump from animal to person, and then from person to person rapidly, with the mutations becoming visible. Being attacked by the "revived" flood forms (that is, recovered from the degenerative conditions), we should have seen a fairly quick reaction in both John and Johnson; we do not. The only thing that links these two together is that they have been augmented.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:17, 28 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::<s>We do know that the ORION augmentations did have serious side-effects, part of the reason it was discontinued. I'm not entirely sure that Johnson's immunity from the Flood was the result of intentional augmentation. The Paris BS may be a cover, but I don't think we can rule out him actually having Borens Syndrome or another neurological disease that would have interfered with the Flood's ability to "digest" him just yet. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:46, 29 October 2011 (EDT)</s> | :::<s>We do know that the ORION augmentations did have serious side-effects, part of the reason it was discontinued. I'm not entirely sure that Johnson's immunity from the Flood was the result of intentional augmentation. The Paris BS may be a cover, but I don't think we can rule out him actually having Borens Syndrome or another neurological disease that would have interfered with the Flood's ability to "digest" him just yet. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:46, 29 October 2011 (EDT)</s> | ||
::::Herp, didn't read thoroughly enough, derp. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:49, 29 October 2011 (EDT) | ::::Herp, didn't read thoroughly enough, derp. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:49, 29 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
Although it's pretty clear Johnson has become immune to Flood infection, Forerunner, I don't think we can say John-117 has the same immunity. If that were the case, infection forms wouldn't bother attacking John, and the player wouldn't have to worry about being attacked and/or killed by them during gameplay. Halsey would have also tested the same result in John as well if that were the case. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 11:42, 29 October 2011 (EDT) | Although it's pretty clear Johnson has become immune to Flood infection, Forerunner, I don't think we can say John-117 has the same immunity. If that were the case, infection forms wouldn't bother attacking John, and the player wouldn't have to worry about being attacked and/or killed by them during gameplay. Halsey would have also tested the same result in John as well if that were the case. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 11:42, 29 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
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I haven't read ''The Flood'', though I have read ''First Strike'', but I thought the prevention of the infection form attacking him wasn't from what appeared to be an immunity, but because Cortana fried it using the suit's electronics? All I remember about John's wound in ''First Strike'' is him saying it still stung and how close a call it was, but I don't have my copy and can't seem to find the passage on Google books. Perhaps there is a connection passage, I just don't remember it, but it would be good if you cite it. Still, infection forms still kill you when you touch them unshielded in the games. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:02, 29 October 2011 (EDT) | I haven't read ''The Flood'', though I have read ''First Strike'', but I thought the prevention of the infection form attacking him wasn't from what appeared to be an immunity, but because Cortana fried it using the suit's electronics? All I remember about John's wound in ''First Strike'' is him saying it still stung and how close a call it was, but I don't have my copy and can't seem to find the passage on Google books. Perhaps there is a connection passage, I just don't remember it, but it would be good if you cite it. Still, infection forms still kill you when you touch them unshielded in the games. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:02, 29 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
Also, even if Johnson was immune, how would he not have died when the flood tried to rip open his chest and then realized that they couldn't assimilate him? Vegerot goes RAWR! | Also, even if Johnson was immune, how would he not have died when the flood tried to rip open his chest and then realized that they couldn't assimilate him? Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 01:47, 30 October 2011 (EDT)! | ||
:They're too stupid for that; they'll just keep trying. That's why Johnson had to fight his way out - they didn't simply let him go because he wasn't tasty. @Tucker, that's just a game mechanic- Bungie has never developed an enemy AI that can only deal damage on certain AIs, leaving you safe. Canon-aside, the infection forms still kill you, even though they don't seem to be able to penetrate your armour.--'''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 10:10, 30 October 2011 (EDT) | :They're too stupid for that; they'll just keep trying. That's why Johnson had to fight his way out - they didn't simply let him go because he wasn't tasty. @Tucker, that's just a game mechanic- Bungie has never developed an enemy AI that can only deal damage on certain AIs, leaving you safe. Canon-aside, the infection forms still kill you, even though they don't seem to be able to penetrate your armour.--'''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 10:10, 30 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
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With Primordium it explained that no one is immune to the flood. it merely chooses when and when not to infect. could this happened to Johnson?[[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 14:56, 20 March 2012 (EDT) | With Primordium it explained that no one is immune to the flood. it merely chooses when and when not to infect. could this happened to Johnson?[[User talk:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] 14:56, 20 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
:I think that's unlikely: Unlike Keyes, there is nothing particularly special about Johnson from a strategic point of view. He doesn't know the coordinates of whole planet's-worth of potential hosts, which was why Keyes was kept alive. If anything, the Flood would be even more likely to try to infect him, thinking "Big tough soldier = Bigger and tougher combat form!"--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 15:16, 20 March 2012 (EDT) | :I think that's unlikely: Unlike Keyes, there is nothing particularly special about Johnson from a strategic point of view. He doesn't know the coordinates of whole planet's-worth of potential hosts, which was why Keyes was kept alive. If anything, the Flood would be even more likely to try to infect him, thinking "Big tough soldier = Bigger and tougher combat form!"--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 15:16, 20 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
==Reach?== | ==Reach?== | ||
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:Firefight voice. Canonically, he was at Gamma Station during the latter stages of the Fall of Reach.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} | :Firefight voice. Canonically, he was at Gamma Station during the latter stages of the Fall of Reach.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} | ||
::Off cource, thanks.--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 13:12, 16 January 2012 (EST) | ::Off cource, thanks.--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 13:12, 16 January 2012 (EST) | ||