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What is this Guardian of the Luminous Key stuff? -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 01:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | What is this Guardian of the Luminous Key stuff? -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 01:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:''It also apparently had someone named the Holder of the Luminous Key, although who this might be is unknown as he most likely died either in the [[ | :''It also apparently had someone named the Holder of the Luminous Key, although who this might be is unknown as he most likely died either in the [[Master Chief]]'s original assault, or when the ship was destroyed.'' | ||
::On pages 155 and 156 of [[Halo: First Strike]], Cortana translates some messages from the Covenant fleet around Reach that says that someone called the Guardian of the Luminous Key should be aboard the ''Ascendant Justice''. Some theorize this to be the Elite John-117 fights on the bridge, others theorize this to be the Supreme Commander (future Arbiter)(who may or may not be the Elite who John-117 fights on the bridge), and some think this is 343 Guilty Spark (for reasons unknown to me). | ::On pages 155 and 156 of [[Halo: First Strike]], Cortana translates some messages from the Covenant fleet around Reach that says that someone called the Guardian of the Luminous Key should be aboard the ''Ascendant Justice''. Some theorize this to be the Elite John-117 fights on the bridge, others theorize this to be the Supreme Commander (future Arbiter)(who may or may not be the Elite who John-117 fights on the bridge), and some think this is 343 Guilty Spark (for reasons unknown to me). | ||
:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 18:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | :--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 18:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
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==Class: Assault Carrier== | ==Class: Assault Carrier== | ||
We've been over this before. An [[Assault Carrier]] is somewhere over 5 kilometers long. The ''Ascendant Justice'' is around 3 kilometers. If nothing else, the ''Ascendant Justice'' is more likely a [[ | We've been over this before. An [[Assault Carrier]] is somewhere over 5 kilometers long. The ''Ascendant Justice'' is around 3 kilometers. If nothing else, the ''Ascendant Justice'' is more likely a [[Reverence-class Cruiser|''Reverence''-class Cruiser]] like the ''[[Incorruptible]]''. | ||
:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 18:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | :--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 18:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
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[[User:U3erPwn3r|U3erPwn3r]] 05:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC) | [[User:U3erPwn3r|U3erPwn3r]] 05:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Cortana's upgrades == | == Cortana's upgrades == | ||
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:It's pretty hard for us to try correcting it now. The reprint integrates the ''Ascendant Justice'' into the events of Alpha Halo pretty seamlessly; case in point, the stuff about the Prophet of Stewardship in this very article. I don't know how they've handled this disparity in the ''Fist Strike'' reprint or if they've handled it at all, but for now, I don't think we have any other choice than to consider it a retcon. Alternatively, we could just flat-out ignore the bonus content, but I'd wait until someone can get their hands on the ''First Strike'' reprint to see if it has any changes to accommodate to this. | :It's pretty hard for us to try correcting it now. The reprint integrates the ''Ascendant Justice'' into the events of Alpha Halo pretty seamlessly; case in point, the stuff about the Prophet of Stewardship in this very article. I don't know how they've handled this disparity in the ''Fist Strike'' reprint or if they've handled it at all, but for now, I don't think we have any other choice than to consider it a retcon. Alternatively, we could just flat-out ignore the bonus content, but I'd wait until someone can get their hands on the ''First Strike'' reprint to see if it has any changes to accommodate to this. | ||
:In an attempt to reconcile the issue, we could assume Cortana was mistaken. She could've thought the ships were from another fleet, especially if they weren't a part of the battle group sent to intercept the ''Autumn'' in the beginning of the battle and actually remained behind Threshold. Still, it does feel off that she wouldn't be able to identify the ships in the fleet after searching the Covenant battle net numerous times earlier on, but it's one possible explanation. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"> | :In an attempt to reconcile the issue, we could assume Cortana was mistaken. She could've thought the ships were from another fleet, especially if they weren't a part of the battle group sent to intercept the ''Autumn'' in the beginning of the battle and actually remained behind Threshold. Still, it does feel off that she wouldn't be able to identify the ships in the fleet after searching the Covenant battle net numerous times earlier on, but it's one possible explanation. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:27, 27 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:I always assumed that they exited slipspace on the other side of the ring. Cortana had access to the ship's database when she identified the battlegroup around Reach as being synonymous with the Fleet of Particular Justice - a splinted dedicated to finishing off the Epsilon eridani campaigns while Thel went after the Autumn and Installation 04. If ''Ascendant Justice'' was the flagship, why was Thel operating on the ''Seeker of Truth''? The definition of a flagship is the vessel on which the fleet's commander operates aboard - Why avoid his flagship? The rest of the fleet jumped away to escape the flood - why would these guys stay behind? Was the Umbrella Corporation in charge of the evacuation or something? I think we should create a list of changes made between editions, so we know what else doesn't add up. -- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 09:52, 27 December 2010 (EST) | :I always assumed that they exited slipspace on the other side of the ring. Cortana had access to the ship's database when she identified the battlegroup around Reach as being synonymous with the Fleet of Particular Justice - a splinted dedicated to finishing off the Epsilon eridani campaigns while Thel went after the Autumn and Installation 04. If ''Ascendant Justice'' was the flagship, why was Thel operating on the ''Seeker of Truth''? The definition of a flagship is the vessel on which the fleet's commander operates aboard - Why avoid his flagship? The rest of the fleet jumped away to escape the flood - why would these guys stay behind? Was the Umbrella Corporation in charge of the evacuation or something? I think we should create a list of changes made between editions, so we know what else doesn't add up. -- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 09:52, 27 December 2010 (EST) | ||
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::In ''First Strike'', the only ones who refer to the ''Ascendant Justice'' as a "flagship" are humans. Even then, the term apparently used as more of a descriptor: they don't really know if the ship really housed any command personnel. Cortana and John only assume it to be a flagship because it "appears to be directing Covenant operations in the system". Alternatively, it's possible that Thel and the ''Seeker of Truth'' left after the destruction of the ring, leaving the highest ranked commanders onboard the ''Ascendant Justice'', effectively making it the "flagship" of the remaining splinter-fleet. | ::In ''First Strike'', the only ones who refer to the ''Ascendant Justice'' as a "flagship" are humans. Even then, the term apparently used as more of a descriptor: they don't really know if the ship really housed any command personnel. Cortana and John only assume it to be a flagship because it "appears to be directing Covenant operations in the system". Alternatively, it's possible that Thel and the ''Seeker of Truth'' left after the destruction of the ring, leaving the highest ranked commanders onboard the ''Ascendant Justice'', effectively making it the "flagship" of the remaining splinter-fleet. | ||
::A list of changes, intentional retcons or not, might be a good idea, though. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"> | ::A list of changes, intentional retcons or not, might be a good idea, though. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:27, 27 December 2010 (EST) | ||
== Why only support staff? == | == Why only support staff? == | ||
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I don't have First Strike next to me and it's been a while, but I suspect that there were originally many more warriors, but they went down to the surface of Halo? [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 07:39, 10 May 2011 (EDT)! | I don't have First Strike next to me and it's been a while, but I suspect that there were originally many more warriors, but they went down to the surface of Halo? [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 07:39, 10 May 2011 (EDT)! | ||