Editing Talk:Ascendant Justice

==Guardian of the Luminous Key==

What is this Guardian of the Luminous Key stuff? -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 01:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
:''It also apparently had someone named the Holder of the Luminous Key, although who this might be is unknown as he most likely died either in the [[Master Chief]]'s original assault, or when the ship was destroyed.''
::On pages 155 and 156 of [[Halo: First Strike]], Cortana translates some messages from the Covenant fleet around Reach that says that someone called the Guardian of the Luminous Key should be aboard the ''Ascendant Justice''. Some theorize this to be the Elite John-117 fights on the bridge, others theorize this to be the Supreme Commander (future Arbiter)(who may or may not be the Elite who John-117 fights on the bridge), and some think this is 343 Guilty Spark (for reasons unknown to me).
:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 18:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
it may very well be an inside joke

== Energy Projectors? ==

The only weapons it carried were the Cortana-enhanced plasma cannons. It didn't have energy projectors, odd for a ship that size.

thats because it didnt have energy projectors, if it did, Cortana would have used them, all she had was the rapidly dwindling plasma reserves of the plasma cannons. The energy projectors are particle beam weapons, not plasma based and that same particle based weapon was used previously at reach by the covenant super cruiser, what Cortana did to the plasma cannons was something new but still basically used the existing tech, energy projectors should be removed from the weapons list[[User talk:DARKSTORM99|DARKSTORM99]] 08:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

== We Don't know that for sure ==

Actually we don't even know that for sure. Fred, in Halo First Strike said that only the big ships have the energy projectors most likely including ascendant justice as the ships itself was also quite massive as described by the master chief. For all we know ascendant justice could have even pulse lasers as it is standard on all covenant ships.--[[User:Halo3|Halo3]]

==Class: Assault Carrier==

We've been over this before. An [[Assault Carrier]] is somewhere over 5 kilometers long. The ''Ascendant Justice'' is around 3 kilometers. If nothing else, the ''Ascendant Justice'' is more likely a [[Reverence-class Cruiser|''Reverence''-class Cruiser]] like the ''[[Incorruptible]]''.
:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 18:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have also guessed that before.As I said before that covenant cruisers also have three bulboues sections as said in Halo First Strike book novel.Look into the part where the astroid colony first comes into contact with the covenant. Somewhere it states that the cruiser has three bulbous sections. The fact that covenant cruisers,most likely including the REVERENCE CLASS CRUISER Incorruptible,have three bulbous sections plus your theory that REVERENCE CLASS CRUISERS are 3,000 kilometers long would indeed prove the fact that Ascendant Justicee was a Reverence Class CRUISER.As read in Halo Ghost of Onyx, just like in Halo First Strike the Ascendant Justice and Incorruptible both controlled a small grup of warships. Both have seven plasma turrets. The only problem and question is this, "Why would the high ranking former supreme commander/imperial admiral such as the Arbiter be controlling a mere reverence class cruiser. Like you stated any ship can be a flagship but keep in mind that the covenant are almost totally diferent in there ranking structure for elites adding to that there space navy or armada. Perhaps the Arbiter simply used sacred promise as a flagship for large and heavy jobs and the ascendant justice as a secondary flagship simply for smaller jobs. Perhaps sacred promise, as most people predicted, was destroyed. That would also explain why the prophets were even harsher, because he had also lost seeker of truth. [[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 19:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)--Halo3

If Ascendant Justice is really a Reverence-class cruiser, then it should have energy projectors like Incorruptible. Also, it states that the Ascendant Justice was "armed like a ship of war", further reinforcing the fact that it should have had more than just plasma turrets.





(New writer [U3erPwn3r])
Okay, first of all, ''Ascendant Justice'' was probably not a small ship in comparison.  It had a huge compliment of "only a couple hundered of Elites."  Much more important than that, however was the compliment of Engineers.  A ''huge'' number.  As for the flagship debate, it was the biggest ship around in the asteroid field.  This means the ''Truth and Reconciliation'' was a ship under the ''Ascendant Justice's'' command.  The Arbiter (or whoever the commanding Elite officer was) probably used that ship for smaller missions, like stated above.  It may also be the case that the Prophets didn't like him even at this time and assigned him an underqualified ship.  This is mere speculation, only getting support from Halo: Contact Harvest where the Prophets assign Maccabeus an almost derelict ship with no Engineers for satisfactory repair duties, only Drones.  

[[User:U3erPwn3r|U3erPwn3r]] 05:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== Cortana's upgrades ==

In what page of Halo:First Strike are Cortana's upgrades to this ship listed?[[User talk:Mu695|Mu695]] 00:46, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
*Ah hell its all THROUGH the book after they comandeer it.--[[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 01:07, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


==Why is the individual ship template not working?==

Why isn't the individual ship template not working here? -- [[User talk:MisterRandom2|MisterRandom2]] 20:17, 26 November 2010 (EST)

== Why always correct the already correct? ==

The Ascendant Justice was ''never'' intended to be in the Fleet of Particular Justice. That fleet already has the Seeker of Truth as its flagship. Secondly, the novel ''Halo: First Strike'' outright confirms it as ''not'' being part of the fleet, with Cortana clearly stating that the small battlegroup was part of a [[Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity|much larger fleet heading for them]], and that it was sent in front to analyse the area beforehand (security measures). I'm beginning to think that writing a formal complaint to 343i is a good idea, as they really need to sort these problems out; several times have they "fixed" things that weren't mistakes - the size of the fleet attacking Reach, for instance (Which Cortana also states was ''one'' fleet).-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 21:04, 26 December 2010 (EST)

:It's pretty hard for us to try correcting it now. The reprint integrates the ''Ascendant Justice'' into the events of Alpha Halo pretty seamlessly; case in point, the stuff about the Prophet of Stewardship in this very article. I don't know how they've handled this disparity in the ''Fist Strike'' reprint or if they've handled it at all, but for now, I don't think we have any other choice than to consider it a retcon. Alternatively, we could just flat-out ignore the bonus content, but I'd wait until someone can get their hands on the ''First Strike'' reprint to see if it has any changes to accommodate to this.

:In an attempt to reconcile the issue, we could assume Cortana was mistaken. She could've thought the ships were from another fleet, especially if they weren't a part of the battle group sent to intercept the ''Autumn'' in the beginning of the battle and actually remained behind Threshold. Still, it does feel off that she wouldn't be able to identify the ships in the fleet after searching the Covenant battle net numerous times earlier on, but it's one possible explanation. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:27, 27 December 2010 (EST)
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 What is this Guardian of the Luminous Key stuff? -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 01:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
-:''It also apparently had someone named the Holder of the Luminous Key, although who this might be is unknown as he most likely died either in the [[John-117|Master Chief]]'s original assault, or when the ship was destroyed.''
+:''It also apparently had someone named the Holder of the Luminous Key, although who this might be is unknown as he most likely died either in the [[Master Chief]]'s original assault, or when the ship was destroyed.''
 ::On pages 155 and 156 of [[Halo: First Strike]], Cortana translates some messages from the Covenant fleet around Reach that says that someone called the Guardian of the Luminous Key should be aboard the ''Ascendant Justice''. Some theorize this to be the Elite John-117 fights on the bridge, others theorize this to be the Supreme Commander (future Arbiter)(who may or may not be the Elite who John-117 fights on the bridge), and some think this is 343 Guilty Spark (for reasons unknown to me).
 :--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 18:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
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 ==Class: Assault Carrier==
-We've been over this before. An [[Assault Carrier]] is somewhere over 5 kilometers long. The ''Ascendant Justice'' is around 3 kilometers. If nothing else, the ''Ascendant Justice'' is more likely a [[Varric-pattern heavy cruiser|''Reverence''-class cruiser]] like the ''[[Incorruptible]]''.
+We've been over this before. An [[Assault Carrier]] is somewhere over 5 kilometers long. The ''Ascendant Justice'' is around 3 kilometers. If nothing else, the ''Ascendant Justice'' is more likely a [[Reverence-class Cruiser|''Reverence''-class Cruiser]] like the ''[[Incorruptible]]''.
 :--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 18:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
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 [[User:U3erPwn3r|U3erPwn3r]] 05:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
-If its described as a 3&nbsp;km carrier, I'd say it's most likely a {{Pattern|Ruma|light carrier}}.
 == Cortana's upgrades ==
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 :It's pretty hard for us to try correcting it now. The reprint integrates the ''Ascendant Justice'' into the events of Alpha Halo pretty seamlessly; case in point, the stuff about the Prophet of Stewardship in this very article. I don't know how they've handled this disparity in the ''Fist Strike'' reprint or if they've handled it at all, but for now, I don't think we have any other choice than to consider it a retcon. Alternatively, we could just flat-out ignore the bonus content, but I'd wait until someone can get their hands on the ''First Strike'' reprint to see if it has any changes to accommodate to this.
-:In an attempt to reconcile the issue, we could assume Cortana was mistaken. She could've thought the ships were from another fleet, especially if they weren't a part of the battle group sent to intercept the ''Autumn'' in the beginning of the battle and actually remained behind Threshold. Still, it does feel off that she wouldn't be able to identify the ships in the fleet after searching the Covenant battle net numerous times earlier on, but it's one possible explanation. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Jugus'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:27, 27 December 2010 (EST)
+:In an attempt to reconcile the issue, we could assume Cortana was mistaken. She could've thought the ships were from another fleet, especially if they weren't a part of the battle group sent to intercept the ''Autumn'' in the beginning of the battle and actually remained behind Threshold. Still, it does feel off that she wouldn't be able to identify the ships in the fleet after searching the Covenant battle net numerous times earlier on, but it's one possible explanation. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:27, 27 December 2010 (EST)
-:I always assumed that they exited slipspace on the other side of the ring. Cortana had access to the ship's database when she identified the battlegroup around Reach as being synonymous with the Fleet of Particular Justice - a splinted dedicated to finishing off the Epsilon eridani campaigns while Thel went after the Autumn and Installation 04. If ''Ascendant Justice'' was the flagship, why was Thel operating on the ''Seeker of Truth''? The definition of a flagship is the vessel on which the fleet's commander operates aboard - Why avoid his flagship? The rest of the fleet jumped away to escape the flood - why would these guys stay behind? Was the Umbrella Corporation in charge of the evacuation or something? I think we should create a list of changes made between editions, so we know what else doesn't add up. -- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 09:52, 27 December 2010 (EST)
-::In ''First Strike'', the only ones who refer to the ''Ascendant Justice'' as a "flagship" are humans. Even then, the term apparently used as more of a descriptor: they don't really know if the ship really housed any command personnel. Cortana and John only assume it to be a flagship because it "appears to be directing Covenant operations in the system". Alternatively, it's possible that Thel and the ''Seeker of Truth'' left after the destruction of the ring, leaving the highest ranked commanders onboard the ''Ascendant Justice'', effectively making it the "flagship" of the remaining splinter-fleet.
-::A list of changes, intentional retcons or not, might be a good idea, though. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Jugus'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:27, 27 December 2010 (EST)
-== Why only support staff? ==
-Is it ever explained why there were so few warriors on board this ship, instead having tons of Engineers? Unsigned by ''96.35.102.241''.
-I don't have First Strike next to me and it's been a while, but I suspect that there were originally many more warriors, but they went down to the surface of Halo?  [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  07:39, 10 May 2011 (EDT)!
-:Thank you, 343i, for creating a proplem like this. In Halo: First Strike the ''Ascendant Justice'' led a small detatchment from High Charity to investigate the ringworld, only to find it destroyed. Not only does Cortana not detect the ships until after the detonation (it doesn't take that long to make a RADAR scan of the area around Threshold) but she even says outright that it's a scoutship for something "important". Thel is criticised because his fleet failed to protect the ship. Based on pre-Charlie Foxtrot info, I'd say that the ship was experimental, given the AI technology and large support staff.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:57, 10 May 2011 (EDT)