Editing Talk:Andrew Del Rio

==Page Picture==
I think we should go back to the last one, the current one is at an odd angle with odd lighting, and for lack of a better term makes him look dumb.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 19:05, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:While I disagree entirely, your assesement of the screenshot fits perfectly with his personality in both ''The Thursday War'' and ''Halo 4''. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
::I'm confused, are you saying he is dumb?[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 19:12, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::Becoming a ship captain means you have some level of competency (unless you're CDR Miranda Keyes). I'm not saying that he's dumb either as all senior officers go through a myriad of training regimens, simply that he makes incredibly poor decisions as a commander of a cR hemorrhaging warship housing nearly 20,000 crew. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
::::Um.... okay, like what? Anyways he also looks lifeless in that still shot being used.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 19:20, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Well, for starters, he overestimated the ship he was placed in command of, and ordered very poor actions upon the Infinity's crash, leading to his XO being stranded in hostile territory. Upon Lasky re-establishing communications, Del Rio showed little to no concern for Lasky, demanding information on the Gravity Well. He then failed to provide secure evacuation for Lasky and his squad, telling him to simply "Make it happen." 
Similarly, Del Rio showed complete disregard for John-117 - a very seasoned and experienced soldier - calling him an "Aging Spartan" as though he were suffering from delusions and memory lapses (not to mention in light of dangerous intel.) Del Rio seemed to be against intelligence of any sort, flat-out denying a reconnaissance run during the assault on the Gravity Well that very likely could have made the operation far more successful and saved him damage to the Mammoth. During this encounter, he even brings into question John-117's military experience, saying that he knows "[He's] been off the field for a while." Del Rio shows no regard for his crew, strong war assets like John-117, or basic military procedures such as reconnaissance and information-sharing. He treats bringing soldiers up to speed as a tedious task, rather than a necessary process for tactical advantage. 
Lastly, through ignorance of John's intel on the Didact, he failed to take proper actions in halting the Didact's plans, and exposed Earth and all of mankind to a vastly superior threat. Though I am loathe to acknowledge Traviss' writing, Parangosky's assessment of Del Rio is apt; he's a manager, not a captain.[[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] ([[User talk:Ocean Soul|talk]]) 19:53, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
:::::At the very least, in ''The Thursday War'', it's established that Parangosky doesn't have too high an opinion of Del Rio and would have preferred Lasky as the ship commander (or something similar, been awhile since I've read the excerpt). On the other, I do admit to preferring the old image.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 19:25, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::I don't see where you get "lifeless." To me, I see a look of curiosity as well as contempt, disdain and lack of trust towards John-117 [seen in the full screenshot]. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
::::::I don't see that, his expression and the lighting make him look like a lifeless dummy. It looks really bad.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 19:35, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Not all mid-aged men can look like Brad Pitt. I suggest you look at the full-resolution image, which is nearly to scale if you zoom it in correctly, and stare at it for a good while, see if you have any thoughts that he's a "dummy" and lifeless. Otherwise, the image that is currently in the infobox is fine. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
::::::::This has nothing to do with him looking handsome, it has to do with it being a bad picture.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 19:44, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, I got that the first few times, and I'm saying that you don't know what you're talking about. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
::::::::::I have honestly no idea how you can look at that and not think it looks bad, one eye is squinted while the other isn't, he has a shadow cast over one eye, his head is cocked back in an awkward fashion and the lighting makes his skin look extremely fake. Besides this current picture is WAY to situational to be a page picture, the previous one was a more neutral expression. We shoud either use that one or this one. http://www.halopedia.org/File:Del_Rio_bodyshot.png [[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 19:53, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::I'm not saying its the best picture that we could have of him, only that its the best one we currently posses. Referring back to my "Brad Pitt" statement which you largely ignored, I was implying that not everyone has superior bone structure or a squad of lighting experts with them at all times. There's nothing wrong with a "situational" portrait, we've never enforced any such preference anyhoo, as long as it accurately portrays the personality and/or a key moment of the character. Seeing Del Rio have the aforementioned expression towards John is a great example of the sort of person he is and sets the tone for his biographical content in the article. As for your suggested image, you would trade a "dummy" expression with a properly lifeless, robotronic appearance? He's not in MJOLNIR and therefore has a face that can display emotion, why would you simplify a readers experience by introducing them with an image that tells them nothing about the man they are going to learn about? {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
: (reset indent) I say keep it. It is as good as any other, in fact, probably even better. I mean, just look at all the ''Halo: Reach'' Noble Team infobox portraits! What's wrong with them? This seriously has to stop! --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 20:04, 26 September 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:: From my own perspective, I think the image doesn't look quite right to me because it doesn't really resemble [[Wikipedia:Mark Rolston|Mark Rolston]], the actor who plays him in the videos & the mo-cap sequences. I'm sure there are a number of reasons behind why they didn't capture his likeness more closely in the game; for example, they might not be able to get the same actor for the next game(s), not to mention the fact that there might be legal or proprietary issues surrounding using his likeness (He's a SAG member, so there may be royalty considerations for using his image in a marketed product). With this in mind, I understand why Del Rio doesn't look like I might otherwise expect him to. Del Rio appears to be older, as evidenced by the liver spots, wrinkles & patchy complexion, where Rolston doesn't. Granted, one is a career naval officer who has spent a good chunk of his life inside a pressurized tin can, constantly being frozen & thawed, breathing recycled air, eating recycled food, etc, whereas the other is an actor who, as part of his job, maintains his appearance, gets plenty of activity & is probably a good 10 years younger than the character. [[User talk:DJenser|DJenser]] 13:21, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

== Recount of the incident with John-117 ==

Can it be said that Palmer ignored Del Rio's order? I more saw it as the entire bridge was "stunned" and didn't know what to do.[[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] ([[User talk:Ocean Soul|talk]]) 15:53, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
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 :::Becoming a ship captain means you have some level of competency (unless you're CDR Miranda Keyes). I'm not saying that he's dumb either as all senior officers go through a myriad of training regimens, simply that he makes incredibly poor decisions as a commander of a cR hemorrhaging warship housing nearly 20,000 crew. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
 ::::Um.... okay, like what? Anyways he also looks lifeless in that still shot being used.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 19:20, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
-:::::Well, for starters, he overestimated the ship he was placed in command of, and ordered very poor actions upon the ''Infinity'''s crash, leading to his XO being stranded in hostile territory. Upon Lasky re-establishing communications, Del Rio showed little to no concern for Lasky, demanding information on the Gravity Well. He then failed to provide secure evacuation for Lasky and his squad, telling him to simply "Make it happen."
+:::::Well, for starters, he overestimated the ship he was placed in command of, and ordered very poor actions upon the Infinity's crash, leading to his XO being stranded in hostile territory. Upon Lasky re-establishing communications, Del Rio showed little to no concern for Lasky, demanding information on the Gravity Well. He then failed to provide secure evacuation for Lasky and his squad, telling him to simply "Make it happen."
+Similarly, Del Rio showed complete disregard for John-117 - a very seasoned and experienced soldier - calling him an "Aging Spartan" as though he were suffering from delusions and memory lapses (not to mention in light of dangerous intel.) Del Rio seemed to be against intelligence of any sort, flat-out denying a reconnaissance run during the assault on the Gravity Well that very likely could have made the operation far more successful and saved him damage to the Mammoth. During this encounter, he even brings into question John-117's military experience, saying that he knows "[He's] been off the field for a while." Del Rio shows no regard for his crew, strong war assets like John-117, or basic military procedures such as reconnaissance and information-sharing. He treats bringing soldiers up to speed as a tedious task, rather than a necessary process for tactical advantage.
-:::::Similarly, Del Rio showed complete disregard for John-117 - a very seasoned and experienced soldier - calling him an "Aging Spartan" as though he were suffering from delusions and memory lapses (not to mention in light of dangerous intel.) Del Rio seemed to be against intelligence of any sort, flat-out denying a reconnaissance run during the assault on the Gravity Well that very likely could have made the operation far more successful and saved him damage to the Mammoth. During this encounter, he even brings into question John-117's military experience, saying that he knows "[He's] been off the field for a while." Del Rio shows no regard for his crew, strong war assets like John-117, or basic military procedures such as reconnaissance and information-sharing. He treats bringing soldiers up to speed as a tedious task, rather than a necessary process for tactical advantage.
+Lastly, through ignorance of John's intel on the Didact, he failed to take proper actions in halting the Didact's plans, and exposed Earth and all of mankind to a vastly superior threat. Though I am loathe to acknowledge Traviss' writing, Parangosky's assessment of Del Rio is apt; he's a manager, not a captain.[[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] ([[User talk:Ocean Soul|talk]]) 19:53, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
-:::::Lastly, through ignorance of John's intel on the Didact, he failed to take proper actions in halting the Didact's plans, and exposed Earth and all of mankind to a vastly superior threat. Though I am loathe to acknowledge Traviss' writing, Parangosky's assessment of Del Rio is apt; he's a manager, not a captain.[[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] ([[User talk:Ocean Soul|talk]]) 19:53, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
 :::::At the very least, in ''The Thursday War'', it's established that Parangosky doesn't have too high an opinion of Del Rio and would have preferred Lasky as the ship commander (or something similar, been awhile since I've read the excerpt). On the other, I do admit to preferring the old image.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 19:25, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
 :::::I don't see where you get "lifeless." To me, I see a look of curiosity as well as contempt, disdain and lack of trust towards John-117 [seen in the full screenshot]. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}}
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 :: From my own perspective, I think the image doesn't look quite right to me because it doesn't really resemble [[Wikipedia:Mark Rolston|Mark Rolston]], the actor who plays him in the videos & the mo-cap sequences. I'm sure there are a number of reasons behind why they didn't capture his likeness more closely in the game; for example, they might not be able to get the same actor for the next game(s), not to mention the fact that there might be legal or proprietary issues surrounding using his likeness (He's a SAG member, so there may be royalty considerations for using his image in a marketed product). With this in mind, I understand why Del Rio doesn't look like I might otherwise expect him to. Del Rio appears to be older, as evidenced by the liver spots, wrinkles & patchy complexion, where Rolston doesn't. Granted, one is a career naval officer who has spent a good chunk of his life inside a pressurized tin can, constantly being frozen & thawed, breathing recycled air, eating recycled food, etc, whereas the other is an actor who, as part of his job, maintains his appearance, gets plenty of activity & is probably a good 10 years younger than the character. [[User talk:DJenser|DJenser]] 13:21, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
-:::His face is actually based off Allen Perada, and looks nearly identical to him. I don't know how to link other pages, but you can search him on IMDB.[[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] ([[User talk:Ocean Soul|talk]]) 23:16, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
 == Recount of the incident with John-117 ==
 Can it be said that Palmer ignored Del Rio's order? I more saw it as the entire bridge was "stunned" and didn't know what to do.[[User:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] ([[User talk:Ocean Soul|talk]]) 15:53, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
-== Del Rio the Senator ==
-According to Hunt the Truth, Del Rio became a senator following the First Battle of Requiem, and he used the Biko incident (Halo's version of Benghazi apparently) to launch an anti-Master Chief campaign, I always hated him. - EpicZealot1239
-The important thing to take away from that isn't really that he is a terrible person from what i can tell, but that he doesn't get put down easily and is extremely stubborn. I like characters who don't give up with out a fight.[[User:Kal825B|Kal825B]] ([[User talk:Kal825B|talk]]) 17:53, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
-:What was interesting to hear was his comparison of SPARTAN-IIs with SPARTAN-IVs saying how IVs would never do something like this.  I wonder what is his stake in the SPARTAN-IV program and why he would favor the IVs over the IIs.  Moreover, I wonder if this is the movement that will galvanize support for the SPARTAN-IVs with Del Rio's supporters calling for the Chief's head on a platter forcing ONI to capitulate and save face by sending Locke and his team to "hunt down" Master Chief.  We already know from Halo 4 that Del Rio doesn't like the Chief (we don't know why, but that's how it is).  It's apparent from Hunt the Truth that every party has their own version of the truth and have their own agenda that they want to pursue. --[[User:S.g.ali|S.g.ali]] ([[User talk:S.g.ali|talk]]) 21:38, 31 May 2015 (EDT)
-== Sending out Lasky and Palmer ==
-In the article, it says that Del Rio sent Lasky out to recover the Chief, but no source of this is given. In the mission itself, Lasky tells the Chief (and reports to Del Rio) that they were sent out to get coordinates on the Gravity Well.[[User:The Ragin Pagan|The Ragin Pagan]] ([[User talk:The Ragin Pagan|talk]]) 18:55, 16 August 2017 (EDT)
-:Fixed, thanks. -- [[User:Topal the Pilot|'''Topal the Pilot''']] [[File:Blueteam.png|20px]] <small>([[User talk:Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Talk'''</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Contribs'''</span>]])</small> 18:45, 19 August 2017 (EDT)