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==The Debate== | ==The Debate== | ||
How far are we going to take this Rank thing? I noticed that people have created, Captain and Admiral. What is the UNSC rank structure? Is it like this:? | How far are we going to take this Rank thing? I noticed that people have created, [[Captain]] and [[Admiral]]. What is the UNSC rank structure? Is it like this:? | ||
:Who made this its all wrong!--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 10:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | :Who made this its all wrong!--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 10:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
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'''Navy Enlisted''' | '''Navy Enlisted''' | ||
*Crewman | *[[Crewman]] | ||
*Petty Officer Third Class | *[[Petty Officer Third Class]] | ||
*Officer Second Class | *[[Petty Officer Second Class]] | ||
*Petty Officer First Class | *[[Petty Officer First Class]] | ||
*Chief Petty Officer | *[[Chief Petty Officer]] | ||
*Senior Chief Petty Officer | *[[Senior Chief Petty Officer]] | ||
*Master Chief Petty Officer | *[[Master Chief Petty Officer]] | ||
'''navy Warrant Officers''' | '''navy Warrant Officers''' | ||
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'''Navy officers''' | '''Navy officers''' | ||
*Ensign | *[[Ensign]] | ||
*Lieutenant (Jr Grade) | *[[Lieutenant (Jr Grade)]] | ||
*Lieutenant (Sr Grade) | *[[Lieutenant (Sr Grade)]] | ||
*Lieutenant commander | *[[Lieutenant commander]] | ||
*Commander | *[[Commander]] | ||
*Captain | *[[Captain]] | ||
*Rear Admiral | *[[Rear Admiral]] | ||
*Vice Admiral | *[[Vice Admiral]] | ||
*Admiral | *[[Admiral]] | ||
*Fleet Admiral | *[[Fleet Admiral]] | ||
Note that for example Tech Officer (3rd class) Sam Marcus is actually a petty officer third class but he has a different rank name because he is a technician. | Note that for example Tech Officer (3rd class) Sam Marcus is actually a petty officer third class but he has a different rank name because he is a technician. | ||
'''Marine Enlisted''' | '''Marine Enlisted''' | ||
*Private | *[[Private]] | ||
*Private First Class | *[[Private First Class]] | ||
*Lance Corporal | *[[Lance Corporal]] | ||
*Corporal | *[[Corporal]] | ||
*Sergeant | *[[Sergeant]] | ||
*Staff Sergeant | *[[Staff Sergeant]] | ||
*Gunnery Sergeant | *[[Gunnery Sergeant]] | ||
*Master Sergeant | *[[Master Sergeant]] | ||
*First Sergeant | *[[First Sergeant]] | ||
*Master Gunnery Sergeant | *[[Master Gunnery Sergeant]] | ||
*Sergeant Major | *[[Sergeant Major]] | ||
'''Marine Warrant Officers''' | '''Marine Warrant Officers''' | ||
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'''Marine Officers''' | '''Marine Officers''' | ||
*Second Lieutenant | *[[Second Lieutenant]] | ||
*First Lieutenant | *[[First Lieutenant]] | ||
*Captain | *[[Marine Captain|Captain]] | ||
*Major | *[[Major]] | ||
*Lieutenant Colonel | *[[Lieutenant Colonel]] | ||
*Colonel | *[[Colonel]] | ||
*Brigadier General | *[[Brigadier General]] | ||
*Major General | *[[Major General]] | ||
*Lieutenant General | *[[Lieutenant General]] | ||
*General | *[[General]] | ||
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==UNSCDF is not American== | ==UNSCDF is not American== | ||
*UNSCDF is not American and so you can't guarntee that the rank system is American. It just as easily be British, or French ranks. All the above ranks should not be used as the UNSCDF ranking scheme isn't confirmed. --220.108.255.31 04:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | *[[UNSCDF]] is not American and so you can't guarntee that the rank system is American. It just as easily be British, or French ranks. All the above ranks should not be used as the UNSCDF ranking scheme isn't confirmed. --220.108.255.31 04:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
:If you read the books it will become clear.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 09:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | :If you read the books it will become clear.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 09:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
::The books? Here is [http://nickpresta.ath.cx/ebooks/halo/halo_first_strike.pdf Halo: First Strike] and [http://nickpresta.ath.cx/ebooks/halo/halo_the_fall_of_reach.pdf Halo: The Fall of Reach]. Show me on what page that it talks about a rank structure and where it says that the UNSCDF is an American military force. --220.108.255.31 08:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | ::The books? Here is [http://nickpresta.ath.cx/ebooks/halo/halo_first_strike.pdf Halo: First Strike] and [http://nickpresta.ath.cx/ebooks/halo/halo_the_fall_of_reach.pdf Halo: The Fall of Reach]. Show me on what page that it talks about a rank structure and where it says that the UNSCDF is an American military force. --220.108.255.31 08:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
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*You're forgetting what the UN is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un it seems in the future earth has more or less united with the UN as their leader they probably elected different leaders from different country’s to rule, since Bungies American their use American ranks the master chief salutes like a yank any way. --[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 10:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC) | *You're forgetting what the UN is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un it seems in the future earth has more or less united with the UN as their leader they probably elected different leaders from different country’s to rule, since Bungies American their use American ranks the master chief salutes like a yank any way. --[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 10:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
::Keep in mind that the UNSC is more of a government than a union. This comes from the info from the map Zanzibar dewscription: "Wind Power Station 7 sits as a mute reminder of the EAP's late 25th-century attempt at re-nationalization" The UNSC is not nationalized as the UN is today; it appears that humanity is united under one government; the Colonial Administration Authority of the UNSC. Needless to say, we haven't been told a lot about how the Governemnt works in Halo. '''220.108.255.31''' has a point. The vast majority of the ranks we have seen so far are american, but we have never seen a '''concrete''' rank scheme, only the different ranks. We can assume that they are organized in the same way as the American Military, but we can not know for certain. | ::Keep in mind that the UNSC is more of a government than a union. This comes from the info from the map [[Zanzibar]] dewscription: "Wind Power Station 7 sits as a mute reminder of the EAP's late 25th-century attempt at re-nationalization" The UNSC is not nationalized as the UN is today; it appears that humanity is united under one government; the [[Colonial Administration Authority]] of the UNSC. Needless to say, we haven't been told a lot about how the Governemnt works in Halo. '''220.108.255.31''' has a point. The vast majority of the ranks we have seen so far are american, but we have never seen a '''concrete''' rank scheme, only the different ranks. We can assume that they are organized in the same way as the American Military, but we can not know for certain. | ||
::At the same time, remember that ''Halo'' was developed by an american company, so naturally there is a bias towards the relatively easy to recognize american military rank system. The Decorations worn by the soldiers correspond exactly to those seen in the US military today. Therefore, I will once again suggest that we hold of on creating rank articles, as we do not know for certain how the UNSC military is organized. We can only speculate. -[[User:ED|ED]] 17:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC) | ::At the same time, remember that ''Halo'' was developed by an american company, so naturally there is a bias towards the relatively easy to recognize american military rank system. The [[:Category:UNSC Decorations|Decorations]] worn by the soldiers correspond exactly to those seen in the US military today. Therefore, I will once again suggest that we hold of on creating rank articles, as we do not know for certain how the UNSC military is organized. We can only speculate. -[[User:ED|ED]] 17:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
:::it's right--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 17:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC) | :::it's right--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 17:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
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::So I am here to provide page numbers for all 34 (of 43) confirmed USN and USMC ranks that are also UNSDC ranks. | ::So I am here to provide page numbers for all 34 (of 43) confirmed USN and USMC ranks that are also UNSDC ranks. | ||
::*Private: Halo: The Flood, page 49 | ::*Private: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 49 | ||
::*Private First Class: Halo: The Flood, page 162 | ::*Private First Class: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 162 | ||
::*Lance Corporal: Halo: The Flood, page 156 | ::*Lance Corporal: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 156 | ||
::*Corporal: Halo: The Flood, page 109 | ::*Corporal: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 109 | ||
::*Sergeant: Halo: The Flood, page 107 | ::*Sergeant: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 107 | ||
::*Staff Sergeant: Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 325 | ::*Staff Sergeant: [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], page 325 | ||
::*Gunnery Sergeant: Halo: The Flood, page 169 | ::*Gunnery Sergeant: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 169 | ||
::*Master Sergeant: Halo: The Flood, page 115 | ::*Master Sergeant: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 115 | ||
::*First Sergeant: Unconfirmed | ::*First Sergeant: Unconfirmed | ||
::*Master Gunnery Sergeant: Halo 2, The Armory | ::*Master Gunnery Sergeant: [[Halo 2]], [[The Armory (Level)|The Armory]] | ||
::*Sergeant Major: Halo 2, The Armory | ::*Sergeant Major: [[Halo 2]], [[The Armory (Level)|The Armory]] | ||
::*Warrant Officer: Unconfirmed | ::*Warrant Officer: Unconfirmed | ||
::*Chief Warrant Officer: Unconfirmed | ::*Chief Warrant Officer: Unconfirmed | ||
::*Second Lieutenant: Halo: The Flood, page 108 | ::*Second Lieutenant: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 108 | ||
::*First Lieutenant: Halo: The Flood, page 58 | ::*First Lieutenant: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 58 | ||
::*Captain: Unconfirmed | ::*Captain: Unconfirmed | ||
::*Major: Halo: The Flood, page 33 | ::*Major: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 33 | ||
::*Lieutenant Colonel: Unconfirmed | ::*Lieutenant Colonel: Unconfirmed | ||
::*Colonel: Halo: First Strike, page 100 | ::*Colonel: [[Halo: First Strike]], page 100 | ||
::*Brigadier General: Unconfirmed | ::*Brigadier General: Unconfirmed | ||
::*Major General: Halo: First Strike, page 100 | ::*Major General: [[Halo: First Strike]], page 100 | ||
::*Lieutenant General: Unconfirmed | ::*Lieutenant General: Unconfirmed | ||
::*General: Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 160 | ::*General: [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], page 160 | ||
::*Crewman: Halo: The Flood, page 21 | ::*Crewman: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 21 | ||
::*Petty Officer Third Class: Halo: The Flood, page 209 | ::*Petty Officer Third Class: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 209 | ||
::*Petty Officer Second Class: Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 99 | ::*Petty Officer Second Class: [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], page 99 | ||
::*Petty Officer First Class: Halo: The Flood, page 208 | ::*Petty Officer First Class: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 208 | ||
::*Chief Petty Officer: Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 99 | ::*Chief Petty Officer: [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], page 99 | ||
::*Senior Chief Petty Officer: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 67 | ::*Senior Chief Petty Officer: [[Halo: Ghosts of Onyx]], page 67 | ||
::*Master Chief Petty Officer: Halo: The Flood, page 19 | ::*Master Chief Petty Officer: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 19 | ||
::*Warrant Officer: Halo: First Strike, page 43 | ::*Warrant Officer: [[Halo: First Strike]], page 43 | ||
::*Chief Warrant Officer: Unconfirmed | ::*Chief Warrant Officer: Unconfirmed | ||
::*Ensign: Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 159 | ::*Ensign: [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], page 159 | ||
::*Lieutenant Junior Grade: Halo: The Fall of Reach | ::*Lieutenant Junior Grade: [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]] | ||
::*Lieutenant: Halo: The Flood, page 11 | ::*Lieutenant: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 11 | ||
::*Lieutenant Commander: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 125 | ::*Lieutenant Commander: [[Halo: Ghosts of Onyx]], page 125 | ||
::*Commander: Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 126 | ::*Commander: [[Halo: Ghosts of Onyx]], page 126 | ||
::*Captain: Halo: The Flood, page 1 | ::*Captain: [[Halo: The Flood]], page 1 | ||
::*Rear Admiral Lower: Unconfirmed | ::*Rear Admiral Lower: Unconfirmed | ||
::*Rear Admiral (Upper): Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 124 | ::*Rear Admiral (Upper): [[Halo: Ghosts of Onyx]], page 124 | ||
::*Vice Admiral: Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 159 | ::*Vice Admiral: [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], page 159 | ||
::*Admiral: Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 99 | ::*Admiral: [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], page 99 | ||
::*Fleet Admiral: Halo: First Strike, page 100 | ::*Fleet Admiral: [[Halo: First Strike]], page 100 | ||
:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 03:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | :--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 03:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
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*whos Frankie?--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 10:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | *whos Frankie?--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 10:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
:Frankie is the higher authority -- [[User:John117|John117]] 10:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | :[[Frank O'Connor|Frankie]] is the higher authority -- [[User:John117|John117]] 10:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
Frankie is the keeper of Halo Info! He works for Bungie! Im sure...if we tell him that were from Halopedia....--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 14:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | Frankie is the keeper of Halo Info! He works for Bungie! Im sure...if we tell him that were from Halopedia....--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 14:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
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It should not because we won.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 09:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | It should not because we won.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 09:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
==Someone here watches too much Star Trek.== | == Someone here watches too much Star Trek. == | ||
*JR Grade? SR Grade? These are Star Trek Ranks not real naval ranks! Even the Read (lower) Admiral and (Upper) are really really trekky--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 03:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | *JR Grade? SR Grade? These are Star Trek Ranks not real naval ranks! Even the Read (lower) Admiral and (Upper) are really really trekky--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 03:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
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:::::::I changed it!--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 00:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | :::::::I changed it!--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 00:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
==Vandalism== | == Vandalism! == | ||
I recently changed my vote to delete...but it was changed back to KEEP! --[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 06:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | I recently changed my vote to delete...but it was changed back to KEEP! --[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 06:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
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I'll change it back for you. --[[User:Ah2190|ah2190]] 07:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | I'll change it back for you. --[[User:Ah2190|ah2190]] 07:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
==Marines ranks== | == Marines ranks == | ||
*Should we add the Marines rank to the ranks template? -- [[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 09:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | *Should we add the Marines rank to the ranks template? -- [[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 09:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
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::*good becuase i started to make them.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | ::*good becuase i started to make them.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
:*There should be a new template call UNSC Marines ranks.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | :*There should be a new template call UNSC Marines ranks.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
::*Like this Marine ranks -- 13:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ::*Like this [[Template:Mranks|Marine ranks]] -- 13:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
:::*I made a template that is more complete called Template:NRanks because the current one is incomplete.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 03:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | :::*I made a template that is more complete called [[Template:NRanks|NRanks]] because the current one is incomplete.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 03:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
==Commies!== | == Commies! == | ||
:''Moved from the Mranks talk page'' | :''Moved from the [[Template talk:Mranks|Mranks talk page]]'' | ||
I know you other people wish it wasnt American ranks, but if you ever read the books, you would completely agree.--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 14:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | I know you other people wish it wasnt American ranks, but if you ever read the books, you would completely agree.--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 14:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
:The only thing I can agree on after reading the books is that the US DOES NOT EQUAL UNSC. Oh I and I believe the correct term is, Koslovics -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 14:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | :The only thing I can agree on after reading the books is that the US DOES NOT EQUAL UNSC. Oh I and I believe the correct term is, [[Koslovics]] -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 14:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
*Any one with the mental capacity to read this should understand that the ranks are right for many reasons one of witch is that we won 4 to 1 on the vote to keep or delete the naval ranks template.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 18:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | *Any one with the mental capacity to read this should understand that the ranks are right for many reasons one of witch is that we won 4 to 1 on the vote to keep or delete the naval ranks template.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 18:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
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==RealWorld Ranks== | ==RealWorld Ranks== | ||
Correct me if I'm wrong but Halopedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, right? That is the official policy right? Has Ed changed it without updating the Policy page? Why then has Halopedia been turned into a collection of info about American Ranks? [[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] has proven that the American Ranking system is NOT part of the Halopedia Universe by adding the Realworld Template to all the Ranks. The only time that template is added is when it's not part of the Halo Universe. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 23:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | Correct me if I'm wrong but [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is not|Halopedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information]], right? That is the official policy right? Has Ed changed it without updating the Policy page? Why then has Halopedia been turned into a collection of info about American Ranks? [[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] has proven that the American Ranking system is NOT part of the Halopedia Universe by adding the [[Template:Realworld|Realworld Template]] to all the Ranks. The only time that template is added is when it's not part of the Halo Universe. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 23:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
All ranks that aren't mentioned in Halo should be deleted right away! As shown by [[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] they are not part of the Halo Universe and Halopedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information about the American Military -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 23:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | All ranks that aren't mentioned in Halo should be deleted right away! As shown by [[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] they are not part of the Halo Universe and [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is not|Halopedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information about the American Military]] -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 23:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
:How did Climax Void prove anything? All he did was mistakefully put the Real World Template on the article, it dosnt prove anything but his own naiveness. -- [[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 23:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | :How did Climax Void prove anything? All he did was mistakefully put the Real World Template on the article, it dosnt prove anything but his own naiveness. -- [[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 23:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
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:::Ok, I must of been high at the time I said that. I apoligize Climax.--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 23:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | :::Ok, I must of been high at the time I said that. I apoligize Climax.--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 23:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
In any case, just because a user edits a page to say something, it doesn't mean that's the truth. There used to be a vandal here who would constantly change the Covenant Dropship article to say it was officially called the "Apparition" confirmed by Bungie, but that didn't make it the case. I once mistakenly said that Grunts can use beam rifles, but that also was not true (even though I thought it was at the time). Also remember that humans are always fallible. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 16:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | In any case, just because a user edits a page to say something, it doesn't mean that's the truth. There used to be a vandal here who would constantly change the [[Covenant Dropship]] article to say it was officially called the "Apparition" confirmed by Bungie, but that didn't make it the case. I once mistakenly said that Grunts can use beam rifles, but that also was not true (even though I thought it was at the time). Also remember that humans are always fallible. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 16:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
==Letter To Bungie!== | == Letter To Bungie! == | ||
Help us write our letter to Bungie to ask about the Controversial ranks. --[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 05:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | Help us write our [[Halopedia:Letter to Bungie|letter to Bungie]] to ask about the Controversial ranks. --[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 05:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
==I'm not going to bother reading your boring threads== | ==I'm not going to bother reading your boring threads== | ||
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:*Well you think the ranks are right thats good for you its great to have more people with common sence now.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 13:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | :*Well you think the ranks are right thats good for you its great to have more people with common sence now.--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 13:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:*Well I'm glad you agree with me that we should delete all the ranks that are not mentioned in the Halo canon. Obviously you've read Halopedia policy that stats that Halopedia IS NOT a place for non-Halopedia realated info aka indiscriminate information. I glad someone finally has the guts to say DELETE this fanfiction! Halo is not a place to have articles about TODAY, 2006 military ranks! I'm glad you're following Halopedia policy just like me. Don't worry though there are others you agree that this fiction should be deleted. [[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] has added Realworld templates to all the ranks that should be deleted because they have nothing to do with the halo Universe and are just collections of indiscriminate information, which as we all know is AGAINST Halopedia policy and those that post random non-Halo related articles risk getting banned.-- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 15:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | :*Well I'm glad you agree with me that we should delete all the ranks that are not mentioned in the Halo canon. Obviously you've read Halopedia policy that stats that Halopedia IS NOT a place for [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is not|non-Halopedia realated info aka indiscriminate information]]. I glad someone finally has the guts to say DELETE this fanfiction! Halo is not a place to have articles about TODAY, 2006 military ranks! I'm glad you're following Halopedia policy just like me. Don't worry though there are others you agree that this fiction should be deleted. [[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] has added Realworld templates to all the ranks that should be deleted because they have nothing to do with the halo Universe and are just collections of indiscriminate information, which as we all know is AGAINST [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is not|Halopedia policy]] and those that post random non-Halo related articles risk getting banned.-- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 15:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
How about we just have articles about the ranks that have been seen in the books and games.?--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | How about we just have articles about the ranks that have been seen in the books and games.?--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
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Yamanba, you realize you are one of the only people (I think there is one other) too stubborn to consent that the ranks are all based on the United States Navy and United States Marine Corps. There are 43 proposed ranks (unless you count Crewman Recruit, Crewman Apprentice, and Chief Warrant Officers 3, 4, and 5 of each division, which brings it to 51), of which 34 are confirmed. There are thus 9 (17 counting the extra ranks likely to not be mentioned) unconfirmed ranks. Then we come to the whole issue that not a single rank thus mentioned contradicts the American system. That's evidence enough for the 11 unmentioned to warrant their own short articles if you ask me, though they would have the Not-yet-mentioned-in-Halo-Universe thingy on them so that people know that there is that 1% chance that they aren't ranks.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 03:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | Yamanba, you realize you are one of the only people (I think there is one other) too stubborn to consent that the ranks are all based on the United States Navy and United States Marine Corps. There are 43 proposed ranks (unless you count Crewman Recruit, Crewman Apprentice, and Chief Warrant Officers 3, 4, and 5 of each division, which brings it to 51), of which 34 are confirmed. There are thus 9 (17 counting the extra ranks likely to not be mentioned) unconfirmed ranks. Then we come to the whole issue that not a single rank thus mentioned contradicts the American system. That's evidence enough for the 11 unmentioned to warrant their own short articles if you ask me, though they would have the Not-yet-mentioned-in-Halo-Universe thingy on them so that people know that there is that 1% chance that they aren't ranks.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 03:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:I don't see what you have against making Halopedia a more respectable Wiki! Why do insist on fighting the addition of sources to this wiki to make it more respectable? I support a strong wiki where there is no fan fiction! Now as for the Ranks, I never said that the UNSC wasn't based on American Ranking system, infact I said that the UNSC was probably based on the American system amoungest others. My position is that Bungie hasn't released the ranking system of the UNSC. Therefore we don't know if it matches perfectly. I have to agree with Eric Nylund when he says that there are anomalies in the UNSC ranking system, ''I used the American system when I wrote the novels; however, there are anomalies like "Lord" Hood.''. Who knows how many other differences, like "Lord", there are. If it isn't mentioned in the Halo Universe it shouldn't have an article, THAT is my arguement. You make it out that I'm the only one who agrees with Halopedia policy of erasing information about present day American information that has no mention in Halopedia! Others stand by this policy:-- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 13:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | :I don't see what you have against making Halopedia a more respectable Wiki! Why do insist on fighting the addition of sources to this wiki to make it more respectable? I support a strong wiki where there is no fan fiction! Now as for the Ranks, I never said that the UNSC wasn't based on American Ranking system, infact I said that the UNSC was probably based on the American system amoungest others. My position is that Bungie hasn't released the ranking system of the UNSC. Therefore we don't know if it matches perfectly. I have to agree with Eric Nylund when he says that there are anomalies in the UNSC ranking system, ''I used the American system when I wrote the novels; however, there are anomalies like "Lord" Hood.''. Who knows how many other differences, like "Lord", there are. If it isn't mentioned in the Halo Universe it shouldn't have an article, THAT is my arguement. You make it out that I'm the only one who agrees with [[Halopedia:What Halopedia is not|Halopedia policy]] of erasing information about present day American information that has no mention in Halopedia! Others stand by this policy:-- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 13:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
::*All this said, we don't know how the rank structure works, it has never been described. If we were to make articles for each rank, they would be stubs with about one charachter link, and if we made one article, it would be an awful lot of speculation. I say we wait until we know more about the tanks before we make articles on them. -[[User:ED|ED]] 19:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | ::*All this said, we don't know how the rank structure works, it has never been described. If we were to make articles for each rank, they would be stubs with about one charachter link, and if we made one article, it would be an awful lot of speculation. I say we wait until we know more about the tanks before we make articles on them. -[[User:ED|ED]] 19:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
::*In any case, just because a user edits a page to say something, it doesn't mean that's the truth. There used to be a vandal here who would constantly change the Covenant Dropship article to say it was officially called the "Apparition" confirmed by Bungie, but that didn't make it the case. I once mistakenly said that Grunts can use beam rifles, but that also was not true (even though I thought it was at the time). Also remember that humans are always fallible. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 16:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | ::*In any case, just because a user edits a page to say something, it doesn't mean that's the truth. There used to be a vandal here who would constantly change the [[Covenant Dropship]] article to say it was officially called the "Apparition" confirmed by Bungie, but that didn't make it the case. I once mistakenly said that Grunts can use beam rifles, but that also was not true (even though I thought it was at the time). Also remember that humans are always fallible. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 16:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
::*How about we just have articles about the ranks that have been seen in the books and games.?--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | ::*How about we just have articles about the ranks that have been seen in the books and games.?--[[User:Ryanngreenday|Ryanngreenday]] 22:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:::*I agree 100% The ranks that aren't mentioned in the Halo Universe should be deleted -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 13:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | :::*I agree 100% The ranks that aren't mentioned in the Halo Universe should be deleted -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 13:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
::::*Ok makes sense, lets delete them.--'''[[User:JohnSpartan117|<font color="gold">SPARTAN-117</font>]]'''<sub> 08:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | ::::*Ok makes sense, lets delete them.--'''[[User:JohnSpartan117|<font color="gold">SPARTAN-117</font>]]'''<sub> 08:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:*The problem is that there are some ranks that you call unconfirmed that are in the books, but I'm just too lazy to find them (and I still need to go out and get [: The Fall of Reach...lent it to a friend and she lost it). Also, Eric has confirmed that he bases the system on the UNSC. Lord Hood is actually Fleet Admiral Hood, or Fleet Admiral Sir Terrence Hood. Sir Terrence implies that he may have a title, like Lord attatched to his name. Thus, Lord is merely a title, not a UNSC rank. It is similar to Company Sergeant or Navigations Officer. They are titles, not ranks.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 00:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | :*The problem is that there are some ranks that you call unconfirmed that are in the books, but I'm just too lazy to find them (and I still need to go out and get [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]...lent it to a friend and she lost it). Also, Eric has confirmed that he bases the system on the UNSC. Lord Hood is actually Fleet Admiral Hood, or Fleet Admiral Sir Terrence Hood. Sir Terrence implies that he may have a title, like Lord attatched to his name. Thus, Lord is merely a title, not a UNSC rank. It is similar to Company Sergeant or Navigations Officer. They are titles, not ranks.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 00:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
::*I'm going to have to side with Eric Nylund here Rot. I agree with him when he says that while he based the ranking system on the US, "there are anomalies". So again I'll repeat my stance. While the UNSC is based on the US system we have no ranking system from Bungie therefore any US ranks that are not listed in the Halo Universe should be deleted. I still am shocked that you try and block my every effort to make Halopedia a stronger more respectable site. Every time I try and add source you're right there trying to block my efforts. Everytime I try and make this site a better place you get angry and say that sources or evidence aren't required that everyone should stop in their quest for Halo knowledge. I stand with the Admin Dragonclaws in his efforts make this place more respectable. Won't you stand with us? -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 01:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC) | ::*I'm going to have to side with Eric Nylund here Rot. I agree with him when he says that while he based the ranking system on the US, "there are anomalies". So again I'll repeat my stance. While the UNSC is based on the US system we have no ranking system from Bungie therefore any US ranks that are not listed in the Halo Universe should be deleted. I still am shocked that you try and block my every effort to make Halopedia a stronger more respectable site. Every time I try and add source you're right there trying to block my efforts. Everytime I try and make this site a better place you get angry and say that sources or evidence aren't required that everyone should stop in their quest for Halo knowledge. I stand with the Admin Dragonclaws in his efforts make this place more respectable. Won't you stand with us? -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 01:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC) | ||