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Where were the Unnamed Arbiter during the Battle of Jericho VII and the Unnamed Arbiter during the Battle of Reach taken from?--[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 03:20, December 9, 2009 (UTC) | Where were the Unnamed Arbiter during the Battle of Jericho VII and the Unnamed Arbiter during the Battle of Reach taken from?--[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 03:20, December 9, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:From | :From Halo - Interactive Strategy Game.--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 03:29, December 9, 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Creation of the Arbiter== | ==Creation of the Arbiter== | ||
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:Yeah, that's my theory too. | :Yeah, that's my theory too. | ||
:Imagine what will happen to the arbiter now that the Brutes have taken over? A Brute Arbiter? Another thing to ponder about. | :Imagine what will happen to the arbiter now that the Brutes have taken over? A Brute Arbiter? Another thing to ponder about. PsychoThunder | ||
::Yeah well don't. The Covenant didn't last that long after the Elites left. Maybe it's cuz the Brutes are barbaric gorillas rather than soldiers, or the Elites fought against the Covenant. —[[User:Arbiter116|<font color="red">əґ</font>]][[User:Arbiter116|<font color="blue">ыţ</font>]][[User:Arbiter116|<font color="green">єґ</font>]][[User:Arbiter116|<font color="silver">ιιб</font>]] | ::Yeah well don't. The Covenant didn't last that long after the Elites left. Maybe it's cuz the Brutes are barbaric gorillas rather than soldiers, or the Elites fought against the Covenant. —[[User:Arbiter116|<font color="red">əґ</font>]][[User:Arbiter116|<font color="blue">ыţ</font>]][[User:Arbiter116|<font color="green">єґ</font>]][[User:Arbiter116|<font color="silver">ιιб</font>]] | ||
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== Rank == | == Rank == | ||
The Arbiter isn't higher in rank than the [[Councillor]]s. Who ever changed that is wrong, the rank of Arbiter is only a temporary state. Elites would need leaders that didn't die quite so often as the Arbiters do. Besides, the fact that the [[San 'Shyuum|Prophet]]s gave it to the disgraced [[Zealot]] would mean it's more of a punishments than a honor. --[[User:Donut THX 1138|Shch 'Nodotee]] 19:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | The Arbiter isn't higher in rank than the [[Councillor]]s. Who ever changed that is wrong, the rank of Arbiter is only a temporary state. Elites would need leaders that didn't die quite so often as the Arbiters do. Besides, the fact that the [[San'Shyuum|Prophet]]s gave it to the disgraced [[Zealot]] would mean it's more of a punishments than a honor. --[[User:Donut THX 1138|Shch 'Nodotee]] 19:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Well seeing as how he was tasked directly from the [[San 'Shyuum|Prophet]]s, they did not give it to him as a punishment, but as a way to git rid of the [[Heretic Leader]]. --[[User:Gzalzi|Gzalzi]] 08:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC) | :Well seeing as how he was tasked directly from the [[San'Shyuum|Prophet]]s, they did not give it to him as a punishment, but as a way to git rid of the [[Heretic Leader]]. --[[User:Gzalzi|Gzalzi]] 08:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
::Well... It is a punishment. The Arbiter is a suicidal hit man. He is meant to complete any task he is givin, with no respect to survival. "these are my elites, thier lives matter to me, yours does not." And he isn't above the councilors, he is bellow the Grunts in the military stand. What the Arbiter is, is a nobal man of sorts, he is seen as a demi god because he is willing to fight to his death,and in the elites' eyes this is a very honorable way to die. So in the Covenant religion, the Arbiter is an honorable position, but in the covenant military, he is cannon fodder.--[[User:Lt.O'Brien|Lt.O'Brien]] 04:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | ::Well... It is a punishment. The Arbiter is a suicidal hit man. He is meant to complete any task he is givin, with no respect to survival. "these are my elites, thier lives matter to me, yours does not." And he isn't above the councilors, he is bellow the Grunts in the military stand. What the Arbiter is, is a nobal man of sorts, he is seen as a demi god because he is willing to fight to his death,and in the elites' eyes this is a very honorable way to die. So in the Covenant religion, the Arbiter is an honorable position, but in the covenant military, he is cannon fodder.--[[User:Lt.O'Brien|Lt.O'Brien]] 04:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Thats sick. [[User:The evil O,malley|The evil O,malley]] 00:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | Thats sick. [[User:The evil O,malley|The evil O,malley]] 00:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
And sexy. So very sexy. '''[[ | And sexy. So very sexy. '''[[halowikia:User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">G</font><font color="#770000"><sup>ü</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">é</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>ß</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">Ł</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>¥</sup></font>]]-[[halowikia:User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">∏</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>é</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">Ґ</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>∫</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">ø</font><font color="#000066"><sub>ñ</sub></font><font color="#000000">¥</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>†</sup></font><font color="#007700">ħ</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>î</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">И</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">¥</font>]]''' 01:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
Heh. That's exactly what Halo 3 needs! A naked setting for the campaign. Of course, Master Chief will still wear his helmet, and possibly have an image of Mister Chief to cover his crotch... --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 06:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | Heh. That's exactly what Halo 3 needs! A naked setting for the campaign. Of course, Master Chief will still wear his helmet, and possibly have an image of Mister Chief to cover his crotch... --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 06:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
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== Ascendant Justice? == | == Ascendant Justice? == | ||
The Elite that attacked the Master Chief was a SpecOps Elite, not the Supreme Commander who would become the Arbiter. I'm changing the trivia to reflect this. | The Elite that attacked the Master Chief was a SpecOps Elite, not the Supreme Commander who would become the Arbiter. I'm changing the trivia to reflect this. File:HalfJaw03.jpg|30px]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font> <sup>[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]</sub> 03:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
== 168 Arbiters? == | == 168 Arbiters? == | ||
How do we know that? Did someone go count it? I didn't think so. -- | How do we know that? Did someone go count it? I didn't think so. --File:Final Goji.jpg|30px]] [[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 20:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
I think someone counted the caskets in the hall of the arbiters place --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 20:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC) | I think someone counted the caskets in the hall of the arbiters place --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 20:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
Man that would have been a pain. Probably more trouble than it was worth. "165...166...167...*big crash followed by small firefight* now where was I? Oh no I have to start all over!!" -- | Man that would have been a pain. Probably more trouble than it was worth. "165...166...167...*big crash followed by small firefight* now where was I? Oh no I have to start all over!!" --File:Final Goji.jpg|30px]] [[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland]]</font>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 20:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
who ever counted, has no life at all. But really though: "123...124...125...MOVE YOU DAMN HEAD! NO ONE LIKE THE PROPHETS!...126...127..." "Honey, are you still counting the dead aliens in you video game?" "SHUT UP MOM! AND WHERES MY DINNER!?!" *mom walks away crying...* | who ever counted, has no life at all. But really though: "123...124...125...MOVE YOU DAMN HEAD! NO ONE LIKE THE PROPHETS!...126...127..." "Honey, are you still counting the dead aliens in you video game?" "SHUT UP MOM! AND WHERES MY DINNER!?!" *mom walks away crying...* | ||
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As a counter argument to your speculation acknowledge the fact that the Bungie themselves had hinted the fact the it was indeed that particular elite in which had lost that particular variation of Covenant flagship. Contridicting to the subject at hand it specifically states, at location of the closing paragraph of the passage, that to allow a decifering of punishment directly into refereance towards the future Arbiter.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 03:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | As a counter argument to your speculation acknowledge the fact that the Bungie themselves had hinted the fact the it was indeed that particular elite in which had lost that particular variation of Covenant flagship. Contridicting to the subject at hand it specifically states, at location of the closing paragraph of the passage, that to allow a decifering of punishment directly into refereance towards the future Arbiter.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 03:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)--Halo3 | ||
:Bungie never hinted it. We were just left to think it was him. But the Supreme Commander used the [[Seeker of Truth]] as his flagship, not the [[Ascendant Justice]]. No source has ever said that the Ascendant Justice was even a part of the [[Fleet of Particular Justice]] - it may have been part of a scout or survey fleet coming later. Particular Justice was armed for war, and had just glassed Reach. The Ascendant Justice was decidedly not. --<b> | :Bungie never hinted it. We were just left to think it was him. But the Supreme Commander used the [[Seeker of Truth]] as his flagship, not the [[Ascendant Justice]]. No source has ever said that the Ascendant Justice was even a part of the [[Fleet of Particular Justice]] - it may have been part of a scout or survey fleet coming later. Particular Justice was armed for war, and had just glassed Reach. The Ascendant Justice was decidedly not. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a</font>]] [[halofanon:Operation:_HOT_GATES|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]</i></b> 23:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:This can only be taken as speculation but he might have boarded Ascendant Justice to brief them on what had happened, or just to check things out, or any number of reasons. Just putting this in because its possible, but is not based on facts. Like I said, just my 2 cents. [[User talk:JerichoRCDF|JerichoRCDF]] 21:26, May 28, 2010 (UTC) | :This can only be taken as speculation but he might have boarded Ascendant Justice to brief them on what had happened, or just to check things out, or any number of reasons. Just putting this in because its possible, but is not based on facts. Like I said, just my 2 cents. [[User talk:JerichoRCDF|JerichoRCDF]] 21:26, May 28, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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The Arbiter most likely represents all Elites, in a political arguements, wars, and so on. | The Arbiter most likely represents all Elites, in a political arguements, wars, and so on. | ||
:Bungie have said that he is now the political leader of the Sangheili. Exactly what that entails is unknown, whether he still remains a warrior or is purely a politician, but suffice it to say he has supreme authority of the Sangheili. --<b> | :Bungie have said that he is now the political leader of the Sangheili. Exactly what that entails is unknown, whether he still remains a warrior or is purely a politician, but suffice it to say he has supreme authority of the Sangheili. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a</font>]] [[halofanon:Operation:_HOT_GATES|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]</i></b> 23:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
==First Strike Section== | ==First Strike Section== | ||
I'm deleting it. The Elite MC fought had black armour. The Arbiter wore purple robes, then gold armour. It's as simple as that - he's not the Arbiter. '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' | I'm deleting it. The Elite MC fought had black armour. The Arbiter wore purple robes, then gold armour. It's as simple as that - he's not the Arbiter. '''Honour Light Your Way - '''File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 21:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
==A tribute video to Arbiter== | ==A tribute video to Arbiter== | ||
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==Armour== | ==Armour== | ||
I don't like the prospect of the Arbiter. When Ripa 'Moramee died, his body got thrown into an abyss. So how did it get recovered for Thel 'Vadamee to use in H2 and H3? Now that you think of it, the Arbiter goes on suicide missions, there's no way it would miraculously undamaged through the ages of the Covenant. [[User:Arbiter116|<font color="#4169E1">—</font>]] | I don't like the prospect of the Arbiter. When Ripa 'Moramee died, his body got thrown into an abyss. So how did it get recovered for Thel 'Vadamee to use in H2 and H3? Now that you think of it, the Arbiter goes on suicide missions, there's no way it would miraculously undamaged through the ages of the Covenant. [[User:Arbiter116|<font color="#4169E1">—</font>]]<font color="#6495ED">əґ</font>[[User:Arbiter116|<font color="6495ED">ыţ</font>]]<font color="#00BFFF">єґ</font>[[User:Arbiter116|<font color="#87CEEB">ιιб</font>]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Arbiter116|<font color="#008080">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Arbiter116|<font color="#66CDAA">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</sub></small> • <small><sup> [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:ViewSystemGifts&user=Arbiter116 <font color="#228B22">'''AWARDS'''</font>]</sup></small> | ||
One of two things occurred. Either, in game, the Prophets created or already have additional armor for such instances. Or, out of game, Ensemble screwed up. More likely is the in game one. Also, no one seems to point out the apparent height and other such dimension differences between the Rippa and Thel. The two armors are ''completely'' different.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 23:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | One of two things occurred. Either, in game, the Prophets created or already have additional armor for such instances. Or, out of game, Ensemble screwed up. More likely is the in game one. Also, no one seems to point out the apparent height and other such dimension differences between the Rippa and Thel. The two armors are ''completely'' different.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 23:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
I think it's a mix of both: Ensemble goofed (they didn't care to follow ''every'' ounce of canon), and so Bungie will cover by stating what you said --[[ | I think it's a mix of both: Ensemble goofed (they didn't care to follow ''every'' ounce of canon), and so Bungie will cover by stating what you said --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br />21:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
I've been trying to get a machinima thing up and running, an interesting idea would be to follow the Elite who is assigned to recover the Arbiter's armor. Maybe call him the Dervish, in accordance with the original proposed name? -AHaloSniper | I've been trying to get a machinima thing up and running, an interesting idea would be to follow the Elite who is assigned to recover the Arbiter's armor. Maybe call him the Dervish, in accordance with the original proposed name? -AHaloSniper | ||
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==Jericho and Reach?== | ==Jericho and Reach?== | ||
In what book or game is mentioned an Arbiter in Jericho and Reach? | In what book or game is mentioned an Arbiter in Jericho and Reach? Flood12345 | ||
:It may be the Interactive Strategy Game, but I am not sure whether or not the character only appears in Multiplayer. If he appears in Campaign,then we know there was one on Jericho VII and Reach... There just aren't enough Halopedians out there that have the game. -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 14:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | :It may be the Interactive Strategy Game, but I am not sure whether or not the character only appears in Multiplayer. If he appears in Campaign,then we know there was one on Jericho VII and Reach... There just aren't enough Halopedians out there that have the game. -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 14:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
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I have to say that I lean to the side of this game (The Interactive Strategy Game) being a reliable canon source as laughable. It would be on par with calling instances in Halo Clix "Canon." [[User talk:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] 21:16, 9 November 2011 (EST) | I have to say that I lean to the side of this game (The Interactive Strategy Game) being a reliable canon source as laughable. It would be on par with calling instances in Halo Clix "Canon." [[User talk:Ocean Soul|Ocean Soul]] 21:16, 9 November 2011 (EST) | ||
I agree with the above... the developers of a board game probably aren't interested in maintaining story continuity [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 23:20, 9 November 2011 (EST) | |||
== Numbering == | == Numbering == | ||
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:According to wikipedia, "a Dervish, or Darvesh, is someone treading a Sufi Muslim ascetic path or "Tariqah", known for their extreme poverty and austerity, similar to mendicant friars in Christianity or Hindu/Buddhist/Jain sadhus." | :According to wikipedia, "a Dervish, or Darvesh, is someone treading a Sufi Muslim ascetic path or "Tariqah", known for their extreme poverty and austerity, similar to mendicant friars in Christianity or Hindu/Buddhist/Jain sadhus." | ||
:Keep in mind that this was a post-9/11 world, where anti-Islamic xenophobia was at its height. Naming a member of an alien race bent on human destruction after an Islamic practice would have been interpreted as racist, casting the UNSC as the "Americans", and making Halo a metaphor for the War on Terror. A dervish is a devout religious person, and casting one as an extremely capable warrior and general would also have been offensive. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :Keep in mind that this was a post-9/11 world, where anti-Islamic xenophobia was at its height. Naming a member of an alien race bent on human destruction after an Islamic practice would have been interpreted as racist, casting the UNSC as the "Americans", and making Halo a metaphor for the War on Terror. A dervish is a devout religious person, and casting one as an extremely capable warrior and general would also have been offensive. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 13:56, 8 March 2011 (EST) | ||
== Current Arbiter? == | == Current Arbiter? == | ||
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Maybe just my OCD :) | Maybe just my OCD :) | ||
:"Current" refers to the in-canon present, which is just after Halo 3. I don't think it's an accurate term, and your confusion highlights this, but it's not referring to the real world present tense. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :"Current" refers to the in-canon present, which is just after Halo 3. I don't think it's an accurate term, and your confusion highlights this, but it's not referring to the real world present tense. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 16:58, 14 April 2011 (EDT) | ||
On the topic of Current Arbiter, shouldn't the role of Arbiter be adjusted? Currently, the role of Arbiter seems to be the Commander and Chief of all Sangheili forces.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 11:20, 25 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Not always. That seems to be partly an earned privilege. For example, Ripa 'Moramee led the invasions on Harvest and Arcadia with Generals reporting to him, much like a Commander and Chief, and appeared have been Arbiter for some time. However, Thel started out as basically a suicide soldier, then later began to gain more authority because of the Great Schism. So the position can vary between being a special lackey to being a general, depending on the situation. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 11:26, 25 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
::Remember that Ripa didn't so much "earn" the rank as he was appointed Arbiter by Regret while in prison for basically a murder spree. And I think the question posed is in regards to the position of Arbiter post-war, which seems to be the Sangheili "President."--[[Special:Contributions/99.179.127.63|99.179.127.63]] 04:31, 26 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:I mean earning the authority to lead like a general. All Arbiters are appointed, but they don't immediately gain the power to lead other Sangheili troops. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:56, 26 March 2012 (EDT) | |||