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The Mantle was not a government - it was "awarded" to them by someone else, hinted to be the [[Precursors]], and handed down to humans, who became as a consequence Reclaimers. I'm pretty sure the full name was the Mantle of Guardianship. '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' | ==Untitled== | ||
The Mantle was not a government - it was "awarded" to them by someone else, hinted to be the [[Precursors]], and handed down to humans, who became as a consequence Reclaimers. I'm pretty sure the full name was the Mantle of Guardianship. '''Honour Light Your Way - '''File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 04:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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I agree with your concept of the "Mantle of Guardianship". | I agree with your concept of the "Mantle of Guardianship". | ||
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However, the cover and jacket description of ''Halo: Cryptum'' brings with it a new and intriguing idea: | However, the cover and jacket description of ''Halo: Cryptum'' brings with it a new and intriguing idea: | ||
<center>{{Article | <center>{{Article quote|They were the Forerunners—the keepers of the Mantle, <b>the next stage of life</b> in the Universe's Living Time.}}</center> | ||
Note that the text says "the next stage of life". Could the Mantle instead refer to some kind of "ascension" from normal, physical existence? Could the Forerunners, and the Precursors before them, have had some way of enbarking on "the Great Journey"? | Note that the text says "the next stage of life". Could the Mantle instead refer to some kind of "ascension" from normal, physical existence? Could the Forerunners, and the Precursors before them, have had some way of enbarking on "the Great Journey"? | ||
-- | --'''<span style="font-family: Square721 BT; color: MidnightBlue; font-size: 7.5pt;"> <big>/ /</big> [[User:Stryker117|<span class="nounderlinelinks" style="color: MidnightBlue;">STRYKER</span>]]''' <span style="color: SteelBlue;">[ [[User talk:Stryker117|<span class="nounderlinelinks" style="color: SteelBlue;">COM</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Stryker117|<span class="nounderlinelinks" style="color: SteelBlue;">LOG/M</span>]] | [[Special:Editcount/Stryker117|<span class="nounderlinelinks" style="color: SteelBlue;">LOG/S</span>]] | [[User:Stryker117/Adopt-a-User|<span class="nounderlinelinks" style="color: SteelBlue;">AAU/HUM</span>]] ]</span></span> 19:38, 1 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
:It's possible that "next stage of life" just means the next forms of sentient life. -- [[User talk:SFH|SFH]] 19:46, 1 November 2010 (EDT) | :It's possible that "next stage of life" just means the next forms of sentient life. -- [[User talk:SFH|SFH]] 19:46, 1 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
== Philosophy == | |||
The word "mantle" has been used in philosophy before. Google results turned up "The first known atheist who threw off the '''mantle''' of deism, bluntly denying the existence of gods, was Jean Meslier, a French priest who lived in the early 18th century" and "In an effort to honor Socrates' memory, Plato took up his '''mantle''' and his cause..." | |||
Comparing with the Forerunner "Mantle"... This seems to be more of their philosophy in general than a specific component of it. The Forerunner's mantle appears to be the philosophy of guardianship - that they should protect life. This makes their decision to create the [[Halo array|ultimate superweapon]] more than a "last resort", but showing a civilisation so desperate for their belief in guardianship to prevail that they must sacrifice many of them along with themselves in order to protect at least some of them.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 18:45, 10 December 2010 (EST) | |||
== Forerunner-Human War == | |||
Hi, in my opinion, the information contained in Halo: Cryptum changes everything. It doesn't only states that Humans weren't "discovered" in a primitive state by the Forerunner , it also states that the Forerunner annihilated humanity. I think it is very unlikely that the Forerunners gave the Mantle to humanity because they considered them their "children", I would rather say they did it because humans were able to defeat the Flood, something the Forerunners failed to achieve. In my opinion, they gave the Mantle to humanity because they were the only specie who could protect life if the Flood returned (an actually they did). | |||
Cheers | |||
[[User:Kurt Ambross|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Kurt Ambross'''</span>]] File:Mexico flag.png|30px]] ([[User talk:Kurt Ambross|<span style="color:green">Talk-Discusión </span>]]) 21:51, 7 February 2011 (EST) | |||
While it does certainly put things in a new light, I don't think it necessarily changes anything in a fundamental way. No sources actually say that we were "discovered" during the Forerunner-Flood war; IRIS episode 5 just say that Earth is in "a perilous location beyond the line," which it was. The whole thing about the Forerunners annihilating humanity was so far in the past so as to be almost irrelevant at the time; a lot had changed since then, and I'm guessing the Forerunners (or at least the Librarian and co.) eventually realized that it had been a pretty big mistake. As such, they very well may have come to consider humanity as their successors. I'm sure the whole thing about us being able to defeat the Flood was a big part of it too [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 22:57, 7 February 2011 (EST) | |||
==Mantle of Responsibility== | |||
As per Halo 4, should this page's name be changed to "Mantle of Responsibility"? It appears to be the formal term; "Mantle" is only used by the Didact as a shorthand. -[[User talk:Kronos101|Kronos101]] 20:32, 10 November 2012 (EST) | |||
:The term "The Mantle" has been used way, ''way'' more times than "Mantle of Responsibility", which has only been used twice. It's like with "the Covenant" versus "the Covenant Empire". [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 20:42, 10 November 2012 (EST) | |||
==Heirs to the Mantle== | |||
While I don't deny that the Forerunners (at least the Librarian-oriented faction) intended to pass the Mantle onto humanity, should the article really be definitively saying that the Precursors also intended for humanity to have it before the Forerunner-Precursor war? Given what the Forerunner Trilogy has in its entirety, I would say the exact inheritance of the Mantle is up for debate: I just wanted to point out that the only entities that claim that the Precursors ''selected'' humanity are the Primordial and Gravemind, who are speaking to the Didact and have every reason to stretch the truth, if not outright lie. As I recall, one of the two also claimed that the Precursors had simply judged the Forerunners to be unworthy and intended to test humanity next. | |||
Long story short: I want to change the article to reflect the ambiguity of the Precursor's selection of humanity for the Mantle, but I also don't want to tread on any toes. Does anyone else agree that the article presents something that's rather ambiguous as fact, or should I leave it as it is? [[User:SNovah|SNovah]] ([[User talk:SNovah|talk]]) 22:50, 18 February 2014 (EST) | |||
:I'd take anything the Gravemind or the Primordial say with a grain of salt for sure, but I don't think there's any evidence ''against'' humanity's supposed inheritance of the Mantle either. In any case, I think the narrative's intent was to point it out as a fact, hence we see no one questioning its veracity or proving the Precursor entities wrong. Of course, it's still not fully clear-cut in the strictest sense given that we never "see" it happen and there's no reliable narrator to declare it as factual. I suppose you could point out the ambiguity on the page. The article could do with some expansion and clarification too, particularly in regard to the nature of the Mantle itself and how it ties in with the Precursors' abstract ideas about life. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:01, 19 February 2014 (EST) | |||
==John's mark== | |||
When John carves a symbol into a tree in the animated series, is that the Eld? I mean, it looks a little different, more organic, but pretty similar. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#800080">Dragon<font color="#DE397E">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#6600D8">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 15:17, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:It's an early iteration of what would become [[:File:Blueteam.png|Blue Team's emblem]], if we are thinking of the same thing. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 15:24, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::Oh, that thing. Thanks. I didn't make the connection. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#800080">Dragon<font color="#DE397E">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#6600D8">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 15:52, 11 November 2015 (EST) | |||