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Hey, can anyone tell me if the MA5B was the one used in Halo Wars? Please reply if you see this, thanks. [[User:ODST 032|ODST 032]] | Hey, can anyone tell me if the MA5B was the one used in Halo Wars? Please reply if you see this, thanks. [[User:ODST 032|ODST 032]] | ||
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How do you know its not a Battle Rifle? Sounds like a BR to me.--[[User:JohnSpartan117]] [http://installation07.uk.to] 16:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC) | How do you know its not a Battle Rifle? Sounds like a BR to me.--[[User:JohnSpartan117]] [http://installation07.uk.to] 16:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
It could be a Battle Rifle prototype--[[The Chazz025]] and [[User:Irving/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] [[User:irving/Razu'Kuzumee|<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup>]] 19:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC) | It could be a Battle Rifle prototype--[[User:The Chazz025|The Chazz025]] and [[User:Irving/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] [[User:irving/Razu'Kuzumee|<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup>]] 19:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
That would be one hell of a Battle Rifle. Given that it's four headshots to kill a Minor Elite on Normal difficulty, I think its just another one of Nylund's little inaccuracies. -[[User:Azathoth|Azathoth]] 14:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC) | That would be one hell of a Battle Rifle. Given that it's four headshots to kill a Minor Elite on Normal difficulty, I think its just another one of Nylund's little inaccuracies. -[[User:Azathoth|Azathoth]] 14:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
Ya probably, and what about that pistol they had? it killed elites in 3 shots and it said it was different from the M6D--[[User:The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] | Ya probably, and what about that pistol they had? it killed elites in 3 shots and it said it was different from the M6D--[[User:The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] Razu 'Kuzumee |<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup> 15:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
The thumb sized slugs were from the larger HE pistol, where as the three round burst, skeletal rifle with an autozoom scope is the battle rifle, or as mentioned above, an early prototype. The pistol, however, raises great interest fro me, because that is the only place where it is mentioned. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 20:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | The thumb sized slugs were from the larger HE pistol, where as the three round burst, skeletal rifle with an autozoom scope is the battle rifle, or as mentioned above, an early prototype. The pistol, however, raises great interest fro me, because that is the only place where it is mentioned. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 20:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
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== Easter Egg for PC == | == Easter Egg for PC == | ||
I used to play Halo PC, and at the beginning of Keyes, across from the room with the Proto-Gravemind in it, sometimes is an Assault Rifle. You can't pick it up, it doesn't have ammunition, and it doesn't always appear, but usually does. Most of the time its in the first door to the immediate left. Anyone else see this? --''' | I used to play Halo PC, and at the beginning of Keyes, across from the room with the Proto-Gravemind in it, sometimes is an Assault Rifle. You can't pick it up, it doesn't have ammunition, and it doesn't always appear, but usually does. Most of the time its in the first door to the immediate left. Anyone else see this? --'''UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 21:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
I've encountered that before. I kind of just brushed it off and kept going, but that is weird now that I think about it. [[User talk:Smoke.|Smoke.]] 00:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC) | I've encountered that before. I kind of just brushed it off and kept going, but that is weird now that I think about it. [[User talk:Smoke.|Smoke.]] 00:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:The BR55 has a scope because it is a mid-range weapon. The telescopic sights are part of the HUD. The cutscene with Pvt. Jenkins was a helmet camera. It didn't display what his eyeballs were looking at - only what the camera saw. <span style="color:green">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 00:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC) | :The BR55 has a scope because it is a mid-range weapon. The telescopic sights are part of the HUD. The cutscene with Pvt. Jenkins was a helmet camera. It didn't display what his eyeballs were looking at - only what the camera saw. <span style="color:green">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 00:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Helmet or retina-displayed HUD's, showing where the gun is pointed, rendering ironsights obsolete. But in the MA5B's case, it's not like it would hit anything either way, is it? XD --<b> | :Helmet or retina-displayed HUD's, showing where the gun is pointed, rendering ironsights obsolete. But in the MA5B's case, it's not like it would hit anything either way, is it? XD --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 01:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Hahaha, that's true. The rifling in the barrel must be like a kid's drawing for the MOA to be as large as it is. <span style="color:green">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 01:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC) | ::Hahaha, that's true. The rifling in the barrel must be like a kid's drawing for the MOA to be as large as it is. <span style="color:green">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub></span> 01:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
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While Halo Encyclopaedia is the only source I think would support this "horrible inaccuracy" information, it should be pointed out that it contradicts itself and some of the content is from Halopedia. As such, that source should be dismissed/ignored/make note of in the Notes section.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 06:42, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | While Halo Encyclopaedia is the only source I think would support this "horrible inaccuracy" information, it should be pointed out that it contradicts itself and some of the content is from Halopedia. As such, that source should be dismissed/ignored/make note of in the Notes section.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 06:42, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
:A weapon profile released by Bungie during the build-up for the release of Halo 3 described the MA5B as having a faulty spring or coil that meant that older weapons lost any semblance of accuracy, and that this was why they were replaced by the MA5C. While the exact specifics of their inaccuracy, ie the huge spread in Halo CE, is probably exaggerated for gameplay balance, it still exists in canon. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :A weapon profile released by Bungie during the build-up for the release of Halo 3 described the MA5B as having a faulty spring or coil that meant that older weapons lost any semblance of accuracy, and that this was why they were replaced by the MA5C. While the exact specifics of their inaccuracy, ie the huge spread in Halo CE, is probably exaggerated for gameplay balance, it still exists in canon. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 07:17, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
::Mind providing a link to profile? If it does exist in canon, then I suggest removing the exaggerated descriptives. :D — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 07:42, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ::Mind providing a link to profile? If it does exist in canon, then I suggest removing the exaggerated descriptives. :D — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 07:42, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
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:::[http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BAGAssaultRifle Here's a link.] ''“The romeo echo mike foxtrot’s decision to mechanically reduce the (MA5C)’s magazine capacity by nearly half is pretty frustrating; even if their data was showing that jamming because of loss of spring strength was becoming an issue.”'' No mention is made of the MA5B having unreliable accuracy, only that its magazine often causes frustration for the user. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 08:49, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | :::[http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BAGAssaultRifle Here's a link.] ''“The romeo echo mike foxtrot’s decision to mechanically reduce the (MA5C)’s magazine capacity by nearly half is pretty frustrating; even if their data was showing that jamming because of loss of spring strength was becoming an issue.”'' No mention is made of the MA5B having unreliable accuracy, only that its magazine often causes frustration for the user. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 08:49, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
::::This suggests that cramming so many rounds into one mag would eventually ruin the spring designed to feed rounds into the weapon, hence causing jams. Though, one can imagine that firing off sixty rounds of 7.62mm in one go on full automatic wouldn't do much good for the recoil spring in the long run.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 14:24, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ::::This suggests that cramming so many rounds into one mag would eventually ruin the spring designed to feed rounds into the weapon, hence causing jams. Though, one can imagine that firing off sixty rounds of 7.62mm in one go on full automatic wouldn't do much good for the recoil spring in the long run.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 14:24, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::::Sorry 'bout that. I guess I need to brush up on some things. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :::::Sorry 'bout that. I guess I need to brush up on some things. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 16:10, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
::::::I'm of the belief the MA5B reflects the needs of the UNSCDF when it was created: It's clearly phenomenally reliable (aside from the above, written when it was at the end of its service life, there have been no references to it jamming, even in the novels), but like the similarly-reliable AK-47, this comes at a cost of accuracy. I think we can reasonably assume that the MA5B was, like the AK, developed for massed infantry fire, not long range engagement, probably because at the time of its creation the UNSCDF was transitioning to a large, lower-quality conscript force to fight the Human-Covenant War.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 16:38, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ::::::I'm of the belief the MA5B reflects the needs of the UNSCDF when it was created: It's clearly phenomenally reliable (aside from the above, written when it was at the end of its service life, there have been no references to it jamming, even in the novels), but like the similarly-reliable AK-47, this comes at a cost of accuracy. I think we can reasonably assume that the MA5B was, like the AK, developed for massed infantry fire, not long range engagement, probably because at the time of its creation the UNSCDF was transitioning to a large, lower-quality conscript force to fight the Human-Covenant War.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 16:38, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::::I beg to differ. I don't think that we should compare the AK and the MA5B based on this assumption. There is not enough information to warrant such comparison/assumption. The novels showed that the MA5B has a good accuracy and reliability, even to the point that it was used by the ''SPARTANs'' for ''space operations'' over Reach (i.e. eliminating the Elite Rangers with several shots instead of using the spray and pray method). This event, along with others illustrated in the novels, should be sufficient to establish my previous point.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 22:08, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | :::::I beg to differ. I don't think that we should compare the AK and the MA5B based on this assumption. There is not enough information to warrant such comparison/assumption. The novels showed that the MA5B has a good accuracy and reliability, even to the point that it was used by the ''SPARTANs'' for ''space operations'' over Reach (i.e. eliminating the Elite Rangers with several shots instead of using the spray and pray method). This event, along with others illustrated in the novels, should be sufficient to establish my previous point.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 22:08, 12 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
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Actually, subtank is right. In every novel, that MA5B has superb accuracy (eg. Contact Harvest, where Jenkins and Forsell scored so many bullseyes, using an MA5B (Seriously?), that they were designated as the 1st Platoon Sharpshooter Team). This is in direct opposition to gameplay, where the MA5B (Using a 7.62x51mm NATO round rather than a 7.62x39 assault rifle round, it is more akin to a cross between the WWII Browning Automatic Rifle and the Czech Skorpion SMG which has piss poor accuracy beyond 10 meters) seems like it has a smooth bore barrel rather than a rifle barrel!--[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 11:37, 14 November 2011 (EST) | Actually, subtank is right. In every novel, that MA5B has superb accuracy (eg. Contact Harvest, where Jenkins and Forsell scored so many bullseyes, using an MA5B (Seriously?), that they were designated as the 1st Platoon Sharpshooter Team). This is in direct opposition to gameplay, where the MA5B (Using a 7.62x51mm NATO round rather than a 7.62x39 assault rifle round, it is more akin to a cross between the WWII Browning Automatic Rifle and the Czech Skorpion SMG which has piss poor accuracy beyond 10 meters) seems like it has a smooth bore barrel rather than a rifle barrel!--[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 11:37, 14 November 2011 (EST) | ||
:Just something to add (since this is related to section title): who here would think that the Marines during the Battle of High Charity would not pick up a better weapon? That said, one of them has a plasma pistol, and with that weak firepower he would need to fire more shots, and therefore run out of ammo (realistically) quickly! Gameplay elements are not canon info! Flood forms do not work together when theres a Gravemind? Possibly, not likely! Marine/Trooper/Kat drives you off a cliff? If that happens in real life, said driver should see a psychiatrist. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>(The anti-[[ | :Just something to add (since this is related to section title): who here would think that the Marines during the Battle of High Charity would not pick up a better weapon? That said, one of them has a plasma pistol, and with that weak firepower he would need to fire more shots, and therefore run out of ammo (realistically) quickly! Gameplay elements are not canon info! Flood forms do not work together when theres a Gravemind? Possibly, not likely! Marine/Trooper/Kat drives you off a cliff? If that happens in real life, said driver should see a psychiatrist. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>(The anti-[[UserProfile:Spartan331|social]] [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|contributor]] who [[User talk:Spartan331|talks]] too little.)</sub> 11:44, 14 November 2011 (EST) | ||
::Don't forget about Emile. I haven't let him drive the Mongoose on The Pillar Of Autumn ever since he drove me off the bridge three times in a row. During the same session. --[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 19:02, 14 November 2011 (EST) | ::Don't forget about Emile. I haven't let him drive the Mongoose on The Pillar Of Autumn ever since he drove me off the bridge three times in a row. During the same session. --[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 19:02, 14 November 2011 (EST) | ||
== Anniversary Images == | == Anniversary Images == | ||
Just wondering whether we should we omit Anniversary images from the article considering that they actually visually present the MA5C. Perhaps a more practical solution would be to keep the images, but make a note of every instance, that CEA just uses an uncanon/imported model etc. Thoughts? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 02:01, 29 December 2011 (EST) | |||
:Agreed. However, the note should inform readers that HCEA is simply using an imported model; we should omit the canon issue since everything is no longer consistent and it <u>could</u> be canon. Emphasis added.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:02, 29 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::Having looked at the CE, CEA, and H3(from where the weapon model was supposedly imported) AR images side-by-side, I can safely say that the CEA AR really doesn't look like it uses the model from Halo 3. for one, there's the trigger guard; and other small details differ as well. --[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 10:13, 1 July 2017 (EDT)d9328 | |||
== 60-round mag == | |||
There's a fascinating exploration [http://www.forgottenweapons.com/1964-spiw-60-round-magazine/ here] of the 60-round back-to-back magazine developed for the SPIW in the 1960s, for those interested in an exploration of how the MA5B's colossal magazine capacity might work.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] ([[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|talk]]) 05:16, 20 August 2013 (EDT) | |||